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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43015154]Maybe I'm just wording things poorly (I'd probably just say harshly), but the Wii U [I]isn't[/I] selling, and it isn't getting the third-party support it needs, as you admit yourself back in June: But if you think I'm wording stuff harshly, are you even thinking about how you come across when you talk about the Xbone? There's a reason why you came across like a Nintendo fan to me (not a fanboy like that what's-his-face user around here) with a little too rosy image of what's going on.[/QUOTE] There's a difference to owning a console and seeing how it works than not owning one and trying to see how it works. At the time of the 3DS's struggle I didn't own one and seriously thought it was shit until I got one earlier this year and saw how wrong I was. So now being on the side of a stuggling console I can actually see what 3DS and even Vita users feel about their less that popular system when they had game droughts and poor supprt. But with Nintendo's huge 3DS comeback I'm confident that at some point they can repeat it. And I've actually been somewhat positive about the Xbox Onerecently, just not the Kinect. There's a difference. I see that the console itself is fairly solid while the Kinect can be pushed off to the side for now. [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] I'll admit I did shit on the Xbox One when it was announced, but who didn't? But after a few months and seeing a bit more of what the console does in better detail since the gaming media actually covered the console (unlike the Wii U due to many reasons) I saw some of it's positive features, but none have managed to sell me on the Kinect.
[QUOTE=Makol;43015128]Then you should be criticizing Nintendo, like I said in my edit, and not the Wii U and its Gamepad (in regards to your attempt to compare it to the Knect). In the larger picture it is not the console that is problem, it's the company behind it. People should focus less on the console's poor specs and instead look at people behind it seeing as it's their fault for failing the console when it comes to proper support in specs, advertisement, and attracting third parties.[/QUOTE] Ugh, I did like a page back: [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43012627] You should blame Nintendo, though. They haven't done the marketing for the console (personally haven't seen a single ad or console so far), so why should devs give a shit really?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43012596] Sure, if you enjoy the games for the Wii U, get it, but with what we're seeing now, I wouldn't be surprised if third-parties moved even further away from it. For the general consumer, it's not that interesting, and even if that doesn't have any implications for your enjoyment [I]directly[/I], it will over time indirectly influence you. If it isn't selling, devs won't bother porting games to it, which means Nintendo will have to do all the heavy lifting themselves, and at some point (as there's a finite number of Nintendo fans) it won't be economically viable for them to do so.[/QUOTE] And you were the guy mentioning both the Gamepad [I]and[/I] comparing it to the Kinect you hypocrite: [QUOTE=Makol;43012592]The Gamepad is less of a gimmick than stupid voice commands.[/QUOTE] Before this you had mentioned it in one post comparing the RemotePlay feature to what Nintendo is doing, and I just noted that it's very expensive in Denmark. I didn't say it was shit. I didn't compare to the Kinect or whatever. So maybe you'd want to check chronology before making more claims about my posts. [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Makol;43015178]There's a difference to owning a console and seeing how it works than not owning one and trying to see how it works. At the time of the 3DS's struggle I didn't own one and seriously thought it was shit until I got one earlier this year and saw how wrong I was. So now being on the side of a stuggling console I can actually see what 3DS and even Vita users feel about their less that popular system when they had game droughts and poor supprt. But with Nintendo's huge 3DS comeback I'm confident that at some point they can repeat it. And I've actually been somewhat positive about the Xbox Onerecently, just not the Kinect. There's a difference. I see that the console itself is fairly solid while the Kinect can be pushed off to the side for now. [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] I'll admit I did shit on the Xbox One when it was announced, but who didn't? But after a few months and seeing a bit more of what the console does in better detail since the gaming media actually covered the console (unlike the Wii U due to many reasons) I saw some of it's positive features, but none have managed to sell me on the Kinect.[/QUOTE] I didn't shit on the Xbox One, because really it wasn't as shit as people made it out to be. The PS4 is obviously a better gaming system, but a lot of stuff that Microsoft did (and some of that that was removed after the outcry) were actually great features - the family sharing stuff, for example, was pretty great for gamers.
Actually, did I say the word Kinect? Nope, I was referring to voice commands in general (can't stand things like Siri and I own an iPhone). If I had meant the Kinect alone I would have said it, but that was poor wording on my part. It was you who then tried and put the Gamepad on the same level as the Kinect, after someone brought up how much more it was forced than the Kinect, by implying it could be as easily removed as the Kinect. I was proving how it is not like the Kinect and is impossible to have removed from the console with out breaking games and the console itself. I then began listing how it is more utilized in games and with the console than Kinect has been past and present, proving how easily the Kinect can be removed from the Xbox One and have less of an impact on the console itself. And before you bring up me not owning a Xbox One, I technically do through work. We have one and have yet to get a fluid experience with the voice commands with the Kinect. [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43015212] I didn't shit on the Xbox One, because really it wasn't as shit as people made it out to be. The PS4 is obviously a better gaming system, but a lot of stuff that Microsoft did (and some of that that was removed after the outcry) were actually great features - the family sharing stuff, for example, was pretty great for gamers.[/QUOTE] Never said you did. I asked a rhetorical question after admitting I did.
[QUOTE=Makol;43015239]Actually, did I say the word Kinect? Nope, I was referring to voice command in general (can't stand things like Siri and I own an iPhone). If I had meant the Kinect alone I would have said it, but that was poor wording on my part. It was you who then tried and put the Gamepad on the same level as the Kinect after someone brought how much more it was forced than the Kinect by implying it could be as easily removed as the Kinect. Which also goes back to how I said there is a difference between owning the console and not owning one, you'll know how it works. And before you bring up me not owning a Xbox One, I technically do through work. We have one and have yet to get a fluid experience with the voice commands with the Kinect. [/quote] Are you really going to try an argue that that post [I]wasn't[/I] about the Kinect (or at least that and the PS camera)? You must think me stupidly naive. This was the post you responded to: [QUOTE=latin_geek;43012548]The good multiplat titles, good hardware and lack of reliance on a huge gimmick that's not working as well as the Wii's did[/QUOTE] He was talking about what the PS4 and Xbone have, that the Wii U doesn't (not saying he's right, but that's not what matters). You weren't talking about "voice commands in general", you were referring to the Kinect and the PS4 Camera. End of story. [quote=Makol] Never said you did. I asked a rhetorical question after admitting I did.[/QUOTE] I just tried to convey the notion that I don't jump on a bandwagon just because, and that's why you shouldn't assume I just got in here (or any other thread) to shit on the Wii U.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43015301]Are you really going to try an argue that that post [I]wasn't[/I] about the Kinect (or at least that and the PS camera? You must think me stupdily naive. This was the post you responded to: He was talking about what the PS4 and Xbone have, that the Wii U doesn't (not saying he's right, but that's not what matters). You weren't talking about "voice commands in general", you were referring to the Kinect and the PS4 Camera. End of story. [/QUOTE] iirc the PS4 doesn't do voice commands? If it does that is news to me, I have zero interest in the PS4's camera. I bought the console for games, not for talking to a box and hoping it understood what I said so I could play Call of Duty or open an app.
[QUOTE=Makol;43015309]iirc the PS4 doesn't do voice commands? If it does that is news to me, I have zero interest in the PS4's camera. I bought the console for games, not for talking to a box and hoping it understood what I said so I could play Call of Duty or open an app.[/QUOTE] The PS4's camera has voice commands as well - so you were [I]only[/I] talking about the Kinect I guess? Why would you suddenly say something about voice commands if it had nothing to do with the context? It's like saying "Oh, cancer sucks" "Yeah? The holocaust was worse, though".
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43015336]The PS4's camera has voice commands as well - so you were [I]only[/I] talking about the Kinect I guess? Why would you suddenly say something about voice commands if it had nothing to do with the context? It's like saying "Oh, cancer sucks" "Yeah? The holocaust was worse, though".[/QUOTE] No. I was saying I was unaware that the PS4 Camera had a similar function the Kinect. End of story is that I find all voice commands stupid when I can easily move my finger across a screen (iPhone) or use a few simple button presses (consoles) than rely on a mic in a box to understand me. I find all voice commands to be a gimmick compared to motion control and how a second screen will change how I play my games like the Wii U, DS/3DS/2DS, and SmartGlass. I have no idea what Sony's second screen thing is called. The PS Move and Kinect fell flat compared to the Wiimote+Nunchuck, but at least Sony and Microsoft had unique ideas on how to do it, plus that Leap Motion thing is pretty neat looking and I really want to try one out. [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] I don't want to talk to my devices. I want to play games and if good motion control is offered I'll give it a shot. But until I see stong evidence that Microsoft and Sony have stepped up their motion controls I'm staying away from them.
[QUOTE=Makol;43015337]No. I was saying I was unaware that the PS4 Camera had a similar function the Kinect. End of story is that I find all voice commands stupid when I can easily move my finger across a screen (iPhone) or use a few simple button presses (both PS4 and Xbox One apparently) than rely on a mic in a box to understand me. I find all voice commands to be a gimmick compared to motion control and how a second screen will change how I play my games like the Wii U, DS/3DS/2DS, and SmartGlass. I have no idea what Sony's second screen thing is called. The PS Move and Kinect fell flat compared to the Wiimote+Nunchuck, but at least Sony and Microsoft had unique ideas on how to do it, plus that Leap Motion thing is pretty neat looking and I really want to try one out. [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] I don't want to talk to my devices. I want to play games and if good motion control is offered I'll give it a shot. But until I see stong evidence that Microsoft and Sony have stepped up their motion controls I'm staying away from them.[/QUOTE] -snipdidn'tnoticeyouedited- I agree on that voice control in general isn't all that useful right now, but again - how were you [I]not[/I] talking about the kinect? I can't even fathom how you think you didn't. Why did you make that comparison with voice commands, then, if you weren't referring to either the Xbone, nor the PS4, when that was what he was talking about? I find that [I]really[/I] hard to believe.
-snipsnop- [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43015407]-snipdidn'tnoticeyouedited- I agree on that voice control in general isn't all that useful right now, but again - how were you [I]not[/I] talking about the kinect? I can't even fathom how you think you didn't. Why did you make that comparison with voice commands, then, if you weren't referring to either the Xbone, nor the PS4, when that was what he was talking about? I find that [I]really[/I] hard to believe.[/QUOTE] When I want to talk about a specific product I'd refer to it by it's name. But in this I wasn't, I was saying that a tablet based gimmick (Gamepad, SmartGlass, etc) is better than voice commands (Kinect, Siri, etc). It was my mistake for not being more specific, but I was on my phone and watching football so I didn't think of it at the time. If he said motion controls were a bigger gimmick than a second screen/tablet I would have said that least both of those are better than voice commands if we're going to discuss gimmicks. If the Wii U have voice commands I wouldn't use it just like I never use Siri on my phone. I dislike voice commands, second screens and motion control are much more interesting to me when it comes to gaming or how I use my devices. Like how with that one Samsung phone lets you answer calls by waving your hand over it, that's pretty cool.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43011927]You say that, yet the Wii won last gen in terms of overall sales and the 3DS is beating the Vita so badly it isn't even funny. The Wii was barely more powerful than the generation before it, and the 3DS has nothing on the Vita's hardware. Thus, when it comes down to it, software > hardware.[/QUOTE] The Wii sold the most units, but it also only sold 1.5 games per unit where the PS3 and 360 sold around 10 games per unit. People who don't usually buy games bought Wiis because it was on Saturday morning talk shows and then they just played Wii Sports. Those people wont buy a Wii U, most of them still don't know it isn't a a pad for the Wii. You can't keep saying "Look at the 3DS it's doing well so the Wii U will too." It doesn't work that way, for people who aren't hardcore Nintendo fans the Wii U offers them nothing, Wind Waker HD, Mario 3d World, and Smash Brothers wont change that. For months people have been saying the Wii U will win because of reasons, but nothing has changed for it, no big third party games are coming to it and no one is going to buy it if they aren't already interested in Nintendo games, especially not now that they can but a PS4 or XBone which do so much more and are already receiving heavy support from third parties. Not that I want the Wii U to fail, the idea of having a pad with a screen is really cool and if Nintendo would both to not remake Zelda/Mario/Smash Brothers for the bazillionth time I would buy one. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Wii U is not the 3DS of consoles, it's the Vita of consoles. It's over priced, under supported, has only a handful of games worth buying, and it largely being ignored by third parties. Nintendo need to stop sitting on their hands and they need to make a killer app, something which makes people say "I need to play this game".
[QUOTE=NoNameForEvil;43015744]This is such a fucking cop-out thing to say. That's like saying Half-Life 2: Episodes 1/2 are remakes of Half-Life 2. And they've only made 4 Smash Bros. games, [i]including[/i] the new one. Last time I checked, 4 =/= a bazillion. You have to be deluded if you think Smash Bros. won't sell a shitload of consoles.[/QUOTE] Its not a cop-out thing to say at all. Every time people say "Well when the new games come out" they always bring up Zelda, Mario, and Smash Bros. The thing is people will buy Wii Us to play Zelda and Smash Brothers and then they'll play multiplatform games on anything else. Nintendo are only appealing to hardcore Nintendo fans, the people who probably already have a Wii U. Someone like me who doesn't care about Smash Brothers, Mario, or Zelda aren't going to be sold on the Wii U. It's pretty fucking telling of the Wii U's success when half the games people use as reasons to buy a Wii U are multiplatform games which perform just as well or better on any other system.
I also bought a WiiU on the PS4 launch(although not at midnight, fuck that). I couldn't be happier with it, it's much better than I expected.
why don't we just let people buy the console that they want to buy without shitting on it? It might just be me but I don't buy video games so I can tell people who bought something different that they made bad choices
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43012519]Really? What does the PS4/Xbone OS have that the Wii U doesn't? Other than shitty voice controls, that is. More to the point, who cares? You buy a console for games, if you want to watch Netflix/YouTube/Twitch on your TV, get a $40 Android TV stick. And there are already plenty of third party games for the Wii U, so I have no idea what you're rambling on about. I'll give you that on the Wii's low cost, but again, it just goes to show that at the end of the day, software is what sells a console, not hardware. Right now, the PS4 has no memorable games, and the Xbox has only two or three on top of a shitty console. Meanwhile, the Wii U has: - Bayonetta 2 (third party exclusive) - Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze (exclusive) - Super Mario 3D World (exclusive) - Nintendo Land (exclusive) - Mario & Sonic Olympics (exclusive) - Adventure Time (third party) - CoD: Ghosts (third party) - Sonic Lost World (3DS/Wii U exclusive, third party) - Assassin's Creed 4 (third party) - Batman Arkham Origins (third party) - Deus X HR Director's Cut (third party) - Scribblenauts (third party) - Wonderful 101 (third party exclusive) - Rayman Legends (third party) - Splinter Cell (third party) - Disney Infinity (third party) - Duck Tales Remastered (third party) - Wind Waker HD (exclusive) - Pikmin 3 (exclusive) games etc Along with tons of digital download games, ports from older consoles, and various other retail games not worth mentioning.[/QUOTE] not going to take a side here, but I'll tell you what the PS4 and the xbone have that the WiiU doesn't people buying them. I mean, list all the games and features of the WiiU that you want, but the problem is, nobody is buying the thing (comparatively nobody). They've done SOMETHING wrong. [URL]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/11/xbox_one_uk_sales_set_to_pass_wii_us_lifetime_to_date_figures[/URL] [URL]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/10/eas_financial_figures_reveal_dismal_wii_u_software_sales[/URL] or [URL]http://www.destructoid.com/ea-financial-figures-confirm-abysmal-wii-u-software-sales-264619.phtml[/URL] [URL]http://bgr.com/2013/11/29/super-mario-3d-world-sales/[/URL] [URL]http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-wii-u-sales-comparison/[/URL] [URL]http://www.usgamer.net/articles/whos-to-blame-for-wii-us-dismal-sales[/URL] [URL]http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/the-wii-u-death-spiral-and-how-nintendo-can-reverse-it/[/URL] [URL]http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/31/nintendo-financials-reveal-dire-wii-u-sales[/URL] [URL]http://news.yahoo.com/nintendo-reports-loss-wii-u-sales-languish-095434458.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;43022998]not going to take a side here, but I'll tell you what the PS4 and the xbone have that the WiiU doesn't people buying them. I mean, list all the games and features of the WiiU that you want, but the problem is, nobody is buying the thing (comparatively nobody). They've done SOMETHING wrong.[/QUOTE] The Wii U has been selling poorly for months. That's a fact. That said, people who defend the Wii U's sales don't care about facts. [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43012519] And there are already plenty of third party games for the Wii U, so I have no idea what you're rambling on about. I'll give you that on the Wii's low cost, but again, it just goes to show that at the end of the day, software is what sells a console, not hardware. Right now, the PS4 has no memorable games, and the Xbox has only two or three on top of a shitty console.[/QUOTE] No shit the systems that came out less than a month ago have fewer games than the Wii U. And it still took the Wii U over a year to have any games worth buying. [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43012519] Big silly list of games[/QUOTE] So it's a good thing that the Wii U only has around 11 exclusive third party titles[I]? [/I]It's a good thing that every other game on this list sold the worst on the Wii U out of every system? You can like the games and the hardware, but there's no denying the Wii U has been in a sales slump for almost a year.
That's a stupid generalization. WiiU users don't care that it hasn't gotten many sales? Why would that affect them? They still enjoy the console.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43023107]That's a stupid generalization. WiiU users don't care that it hasn't gotten many sales? Why would that affect them? They still enjoy the console.[/QUOTE] People defend the system's sales and say the Wii U has sold well, while ignoring all sales data showing the opposite. I'm not saying the console is bad, I like it. But again, it's selling about as well as a brick to the face.
Fair point. Anyway, the WiiU doesn't suck, the sales suck. It probably boils down to it being a bit of a niche product.
So update: I bought Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate and it's awesome. I love this thing, I think I made the right choice that day
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43023107]That's a stupid generalization. WiiU users don't care that it hasn't gotten many sales? Why would that affect them? They still enjoy the console.[/QUOTE] It does affect Wii U users in the long run, though, as Nintendo can't keep supporting it forever if it isn't profitable. That means you're looking at a much shorter lifespan. [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;43020910]why don't we just let people buy the console that they want to buy without shitting on it? It might just be me but I don't buy video games so I can tell people who bought something different that they made bad choices[/QUOTE] This whole discussion started because someone said the Xbone was a shit console and I responded saying the Wii U was equally shit, then (neither are shit, though).
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43023107]That's a stupid generalization. WiiU users don't care that it hasn't gotten many sales? Why would that affect them? They still enjoy the console.[/QUOTE] That is like saying, "Why should the people on the cruise ship care about the holes? The crew are the ones having to fix it. The passengers still enjoy the activities aboard."
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43011856]Fat chance. The Wii U is the only console right now that isn't shit (like the Xbox One)[B] or has no games (like the PS4)[/B]. Its first year went poorly because it had no games, but now it does.[/QUOTE] No shit? The console that's been out for under a month has less games than the console that's been out for a year?
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43012519] Meanwhile, the Wii U has: - Bayonetta 2 (third party exclusive) - Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze (exclusive) - Super Mario 3D World (exclusive) - Nintendo Land (exclusive) - Mario & Sonic Olympics (exclusive) - Adventure Time (third party) - CoD: Ghosts (third party) - Sonic Lost World (3DS/Wii U exclusive, third party) - Assassin's Creed 4 (third party) - Batman Arkham Origins (third party) - Deus X HR Director's Cut (third party) - Scribblenauts (third party) - Wonderful 101 (third party exclusive) - Rayman Legends (third party) - Splinter Cell (third party) - Disney Infinity (third party) - Duck Tales Remastered (third party) - Wind Waker HD (exclusive) - Pikmin 3 (exclusive) - Game & Wario (exclusive) - Super Mario Bros.U (exclusive) - Resident Evil Revelations (third party) - Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Wii U/3DS exclusive, third party) - Injustice Gods Among Us (third party) - 007 Legends (third party) - Ninja Gaiden 3, Razor's Edge (third party) - ZombiU (third party, exclusive) - Mass Effect 3 (third party) - Dark Sider's 2 (third party) - CoD Black Ops II (third party) - Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed (third party) - Epic Mickey 2 (third party) [/QUOTE] Many of those are games people have played on the PS3 and 360, and as said by Makol here, usually provide little to no reason to play it again on a different system. The PS4 is a brand new console, not even a month old, and you get angry about people saying the Wii U has no games until a [I]year[/I] after it's release?
[QUOTE=Durrsly;43027058]Many of those are games people have played on the PS3 and 360, and as said by Makol here, usually provide little to no reason to play it again on a different system. The PS4 is a brand new console, not even a month old, and you get angry about people saying the Wii U has no games until a [I]year[/I] after it's release?[/QUOTE] Of all the third party games pultiplatform games he listed the only one that is actually worth getting would be Rayman Legends since it was designed for the Wii U and its Gamepad. Buying it on another platform will lead to a very poor experience.
Pikmin 3 and Nintendoland master race, peasants
So since you guys shit this thread up with your console war shit I'll lay in my 2cents. The difference between Nintendo and the other two is nintendo only focues on the games, while Microsoft and Sony try to be something more. With all 3 consoles out now, give it a year then decide.
When will we learn that consoles are garbage. Sure maybe everyone beholds the same hardware, but where does that get us when it holds up technology at a plateau? Computers are for real technical advancement, and I don't mean a fucking Apple computer. Where if something requires a bit more RAM or maybe it's a bit more heavy in graphics, I just eject the old chip and pop in a new advanced one. All my friends will definitely own a computer, and even regardless of operating system, we may play together. With wishful thinking, I'd like to hope that consoles are of a dying breed. Specially when they try to incorporate weird spying mechanisms such as a camera that's always on, and forcing you to pay monthly for an internet service, when you're already paying for your internet service to run such a machine. Innovation has seemed to have died in this generation, and instead the term has been rebranded.
[QUOTE=Joscpe;43033947]Blah blah PC blah blah consoles blah blah dying breed[/QUOTE] There always has to be that one guy.
[QUOTE=Mr.Cookie;43034263]There always has to be that one guy.[/QUOTE] What ever man, I just don't see what the big deal is. Go ahead and buy one, but I don't see the point, specially this year.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43012519] Meanwhile, the Wii U has: *games* Along with tons of digital download games, ports from older consoles, and various other retail games not worth mentioning.[/QUOTE] I dunno the ones that I'm interested in on that list which aren't many really I already have on PC
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