The problem that every country is frustrated with. Immigration - General

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910423] He's expecting BBC and other ZOG controlled agencies[/QUOTE] we control the BBC?? goddamn that's awesome.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910423]He's expecting BBC and other ZOG controlled agencies to prepare racially realist crime statistics.[/QUOTE] Well now I've heard everything.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910423]0/10 What he's trying to say is England is one of the most diverse countries in the world. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] He's expecting BBC and other ZOG controlled agencies to prepare racially realist crime statistics.[/QUOTE] Hey are you the guy who kept making new accounts to post pictures of himself in Mass Debate playing with his own shit? You remind me of him.

I provided three good sources, apparently Telegraph is Nazi too. According to your logic, all agencies providing information about immigrant crimes are biased.

The Sun is also owned by the same guy who also owned News of The World. Until, you know, hacking scandal. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Absynth;36910673]I provided three good sources, apparently Telegraph is Nazi too. According to your logic, all agencies providing information about immigrant crimes are biased.[/QUOTE] You could try tracking down research papers or something. they're generally non-biased.

Was he (the guy who presented sources that were dismissed) just supporting the point that there are high criminal activities and gangs from immigrants? There are plenty of examples of that in history.

do non-immigrants not commit crimes?

[QUOTE=shackleford;36910719]Was he (the guy who presented sources that were dismissed) just supporting the point that there are high criminal activities and gangs from immigrants? There are plenty of examples of that in history.[/QUOTE] such as when the europeans invaded north america

[QUOTE=thisispain;36910732]do non-immigrants not commit crimes?[/QUOTE] Why answer a question with a question?

just answer the question. is there a difference between an immigrant committing a crime and a non-immigrant committing a crime?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36910739]such as when the europeans invaded north america[/QUOTE] They colonised it. And that is not entirely relevant because they did not establish gangs as such in a tribal land with so many different societies. They created their own. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;36910778]just answer the question. is there a difference between an immigrant committing a crime and a non-immigrant committing a crime?[/QUOTE] Was he (the guy who presented sources that were dismissed) just supporting the point that there are high criminal activities and gangs from immigrants? There are plenty of examples of that in history.

[QUOTE=shackleford;36910763]Why answer a question with a question?[/QUOTE] The point is that do you A: have any direct evidence that immigrants commit crime at a higher rate than anyone else and B: do you have supporting evidence which discounts poverty or oppressive conditions as the causes of said crime?

[QUOTE=shackleford;36910789] Was he (the guy who presented sources that were dismissed) just supporting the point that there are high criminal activities and gangs from immigrants? There are plenty of examples of that in history.[/QUOTE] answer the question

There are plenty of examples of germans being shitheads throughout history, but we don't legislate against germany without a modern cause.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36910732]do non-immigrants not commit crimes?[/QUOTE] They do. But immigrants create the major part of it - usually.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910817]They do. But immigrants create the major part of it - usually.[/QUOTE] What do you mean immigrants create the major part of it? Are you saying that immigrants are the majority of criminals? If so, some proof would be needed.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36910778]just answer the question. is there a difference between an immigrant committing a crime and a non-immigrant committing a crime?[/QUOTE] Immigrants committing more crime than non-immigrants mean most immigrants are uneducated and unwealthy, hence they're lean to crime. Only educated immigrants should be let in. [QUOTE=Lankist;36910801]The point is that do you A: have any direct evidence that immigrants commit crime at a higher rate than anyone else and B: do you have supporting evidence which discounts poverty or oppressive conditions as the causes of said crime?[/QUOTE] I posted at least three sources but you call them biased, so stop asking for more like a toddler.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36910801]The point is that do you A: have any direct evidence that immigrants commit crime at a higher rate than anyone else and B: do you have supporting evidence which discounts poverty or oppressive conditions as the causes of said crime?[/QUOTE] Yes will find some. If not I will not proceed the debate. Just wait.

[QUOTE=Valnar;36910821]What do you mean immigrants create the major part of it? Are you saying that immigrants are the majority of criminals? If so, some proof would be needed.[/QUOTE] Yes, I am saying exactly what you just said. And the proof is one or two pages back, I've posted three different sources. Please go back to read them.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910817]They do. But immigrants create the major part of it - usually.[/QUOTE] Please cite a study confirming this claim. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Absynth;36910829]I posted at least three sources but you call them biased, so stop asking for more like a toddler.[/QUOTE] That's because you cited news articles, not studies or real statistics. Protip: If all your source says is "A recent study has found...", then it's not a viable source. Direct, primary sources are necessary, as otherwise nobody can fact-check the claim.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910837]Yes, I am saying exactly what you just said. And the proof is one or two pages back, I've posted three different sources. Please go back to read them.[/QUOTE] "please go back and read them" "A fifth of murder and rape suspects are immigrants" 1/5 /= 1/2> and using a non shitty source, IE demographics of people charged with committing a crime: White: 88.6% Source: UK Justice Department [url]http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/statistics/mojstats/stats-race-cjs-2010.pdf[/url] throw your proof out away

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910837]Yes, I am saying exactly what you just said. And the proof is one or two pages back, I've posted three different sources. Please go back to read them.[/QUOTE] I searched for your posts through the thread and I couldn't find any sources, sorry if I missed them. But even if immigrants are overrepresented in crime that wouldn't necessarily mean anything. A couple of possibilities to account for over representation could be police profiling or more immigrants might be in poverty than non-immigrants.

in the UK it's not even fucking logistically possible for immigrants to commit a majority of the crimes. this really demonstrates how fucking batty and made-up your concerns about immigrants are.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36910880]Please cite a study confirming this claim. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] That's because you cited news articles, not studies or real statistics. Protip: If all your source says is "A recent study has found...", then it's not a viable source. Direct, primary sources are necessary, as otherwise nobody can fact-check the claim.[/QUOTE] They're taking their facts from studies, just read their articles and find their sources for yourself. [QUOTE=thisispain;36910889]"please go back and read them" "A fifth of murder and rape suspects are immigrants" 1/5 /= 1/2> and using a non shitty source, IE demographics of people charged with committing a crime: White: 88.6% Source: UK Justice Department [url]http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/statistics/mojstats/stats-race-cjs-2010.pdf[/url] throw your proof out away[/QUOTE] Justice.gov doesn't talk about immigrant/non-immigrant crimes.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910910]They're taking their facts from studies, just read their articles and find their sources for yourself.[/QUOTE] And they fail to mention which studies. It's not my job to look up their sources. That's what fucking citations are for. You learn about citations in the first goddamn day of journalism school. Either find a primary source or stop making the claim. Nobody cares what Rupert Murdoch has to say about (non-australian) immigrants.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36906773]Well, if you don't want to listen to me then don't. I've tried my very best to explain and every post I've made in this thread, is words spoken from my heart.[/QUOTE] In debate, words spoken from your brain are more likely to be listened to as credible.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36910921]And they fail to mention which studies. It's not my job to look up their sources. That's what fucking citations are for. You learn about citations in the first goddamn day of journalism school.[/QUOTE] You don't expect everything on a silver plate, find the rest yourself. I provided three solid sources.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910928]You don't expect everything on a silver plate, find the rest yourself. I provided three solid sources.[/QUOTE] Uhh, no. I'm not doing your fucking job for you. You prove [I]your[/I] claims or you get bent. It's that simple. Also your sources aren't solid. They're biased, unsubstantiated tertiary sources. All they do is explain where you got the idea. They don't prove it's correct.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36906773](Think a world wide USA)[/QUOTE] Oh, this is untrue. Have you been to more than one state? Each one tends to be quite different from another. Wonder why they're all split on different issues, and every vote for a president is a race that is watched by millions.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910910] Justice.gov doesn't talk about immigrant/non-immigrant crimes.[/QUOTE] it compares white vs non-white crime which is what i'm assuming your nattering is about. it's over dude give up already and if the justice department doesn't have information on it, [b]it doesn't exist[/b] [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Absynth;36910928]You don't expect everything on a silver plate, find the rest yourself. I provided three solid sources.[/QUOTE] [b]your source doesn't say majority![/b]