The problem that every country is frustrated with. Immigration - General

[QUOTE=Lankist;36910930]Uhh, no. I'm not doing your fucking job for you. You prove [I]your[/I] claims or you get bent. It's that simple. Also your sources aren't solid. They're biased, unsubstantiated tertiary sources. All they do is explain where you got the idea. They don't prove it's correct.[/QUOTE] I've already proven them with three solid articles. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;36910938]it compares white vs non-white crime which is what i'm assuming your nattering is about. it's over dude give up already and if the justice department doesn't have information on it, [b]it doesn't exist[/b] [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [b]your source doesn't say majority![/b][/QUOTE] It does, read them again.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36910950] It does, read them again.[/QUOTE] [b] no it doesn't!!![/b] [b]one says 1/5, the other is limited purely to the london riots[/b] your sources are bad, give up [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Absynth;36910950]I've already proven them with three solid articles. [/QUOTE] you posted two, one of which is a BNP editorial

[url]http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/B/3/B/%7BB3B48FE3-A70B-4290-A009-BD58861CF942%7Dti117.pdf[/url] This source shows both migrants and immigrants in Australia crime rates and is not bias. Feel free to kick some sense to me if I've made some silly mistake. Like you Lankist.

[QUOTE=shackleford;36910998][url]http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/B/3/B/%7BB3B48FE3-A70B-4290-A009-BD58861CF942%7Dti117.pdf[/url] This source shows both migrants and immigrants in Australia crime rates and is not bias. Feel free to kick some sense to me if I've made some silly mistake. Like you Lankist.[/QUOTE] this source shows that the VAST MAJORITY of native australians commit crimes. you're just scrambling for any piece you can post, without even checking to see if it's supporting the argument you are making. what do you gain from lying about this issue?

[QUOTE=shackleford;36910998][url]http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/B/3/B/%7BB3B48FE3-A70B-4290-A009-BD58861CF942%7Dti117.pdf[/url] This source shows both migrants and immigrants in Australia crime rates and is not bias. Feel free to kick some sense to me if I've made some silly mistake. Like you Lankist.[/QUOTE] Your source says on its very first page that immigrant crime isn't based on them being immigrants but rather due to poverty and racial profiling. That means that it isn't immigration that is the issue with those crime rates, but poverty.

[QUOTE=Valnar;36911043]Your source says on its very first page that immigrant crime isn't based on them being immigrants but rather due to poverty and racial profiling. That means that it isn't immigration that is the issue with those crime rates, but poverty.[/QUOTE] not to mention it doesn't support their claim

[QUOTE=thisispain;36910991][b] no it doesn't!!![/b] [b]one says 1/5, the other is limited purely to the london riots[/b] your sources are bad, give up [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] you posted two, one of which is a BNP editorial[/QUOTE] Telegraph.co.uk And stop with your stupid red herring. They are proving the majority of immigrants commit most crimes.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911048]Telegraph.co.uk And stop with your stupid red herring. They are proving the majority of immigrants commit most crimes.[/QUOTE] [b] your source from the telegraph says 1/5 not the majority [/b] at this point i think you're arguing for your own sanity.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36911055][b] your source from the telegraph says 1/5 not the majority [/b] at this point i think you're arguing for your own sanity.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The data shows that racial foreigners committed the most rapes, sexual offences, gun crimes, knife crimes, personal robberies, ‘snatches’ and attempted personal robberies in 2011. This is despite the fact that, according to the most recent demographic data available (ONS:2006), 69.4 percent of London’s population is white. For some crimes, such as personal robbery, the non-white offender rate was as high as 71 percent, and 74 percent for snatch crimes. Racial foreigners also carried out 51 percent of rapes and attempted rapes, just over 50 percent of other sexual offences, 67 percent of gun crime and 65 percent of knife crime. The statistics show that blacks single-handedly committed the majority of gun crime (58 percent), knife crime (51 percent), personal robberies (56 percent) and snatch crimes (54 percent). This is despite the fact that the same ONS data states that blacks make up just 10.7 percent of London’s population. The message is clear: non-white immigrants DO commit more violent crimes than indigenous white Britons. The British National Party’s policy of halting immigration is therefore an imperative measure to keep our land and people safe from the increased crime rates brought here by racial foreigners. It’s not ‘racist’ to protect your people from rape, murder and robbery, it’s common sense. The same FOI request also shows that non-whites were responsible for two-thirds of crimes related to last year’s London riots. [/QUOTE] And yes, immigrants are like the %15 of England. Yet they manage to commit 1/5 of England's crimes, that's the point. They do big as small people.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911072]And yes, immigrants are like the %15 of England. Yet they manage to commit 1/5 of England's crimes, that's the point. They do big as small people.[/QUOTE] 15% of the people doing 20% of the crime doesn't seem that outrageous. Regardless, you need to account for the possibility that immigrants have a higher poverty rate than non-immigrants.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911072]And yes, immigrants are like the %15 of England. Yet they manage to commit 1/5 of England's crimes, that's the point. They do big as small people.[/QUOTE] [b]no your point was majority[/b] you're making this shit up as you go along. you're not basing this off of any logical conclusion. you hated immigrants first, then started to rationalize it using whatever you can. this is data based on London, not the entire UK and if you fucking read the source that shitty BNP website quoted you'll find these results [b]are entirely based on arrests during the London riots[/b] your argument holds zero water

[QUOTE=Valnar;36911108]15% of the people doing 20% of the crime doesn't seem that outrageous. Even then you need to account for the possibility that immigrants might have a higher poverty rate than non-immigrants.[/QUOTE] What's so shocking is about immigrants is that they're only about 15%-20% yet they manage to commit 1/5 of the crimes in England.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911113]What's so shocking is about immigrants is that they're only about 15%-20% yet they manage to commit 1/5 of the crimes in England.[/QUOTE] that's not shocking, and it means that non-immigrants still commit the majority of the crime which makes your previous assertions "shockingly" wrong and completely destroys your credibility

[QUOTE=thisispain;36911111][b]no your point was majority[/b] you're making this shit up as you go along. you're not basing this off of any logical conclusion. you hated immigrants first, then started to rationalize it using whatever you can. this is data based on London, not the entire UK and if you fucking read the source that shitty BNP website quoted you'll find these results [b]are entirely based on arrests during the London riots[/b] your argument holds zero water[/QUOTE] Riots or not, they are the ones who committed the majority of the crimes. Justifies my point.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36911011]this source shows that the VAST MAJORITY of native australians commit crimes. you're just scrambling for any piece you can post, without even checking to see if it's supporting the argument you are making. what do you gain from lying about this issue?[/QUOTE] I assume you just went to the statistics. There is a higher population of native Australians than others, it does not greatly influence the [B]rate of crime.[/B] Correct me if I am wrong. Rate is like a percentage. as shown in the tables. Such as in page 4, look at the analysis. Like look at the drug percentage, then look at cambodia's drug percentage. do you understand?

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911113]What's so shocking is about immigrants is that they're only about 15%-20% yet they manage to commit 1/5 of the crimes in England.[/QUOTE] Uhh you do know that 1/5 = 20%? Even then you can't just use absolute values of population as the sole comparator, you need to account for other factors such as financial levels, education levels, social profiling.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911122]Riots or not, they are the ones who committed the majority of the crimes. Justifies my point.[/QUOTE] no they committed half of the crimes during a time period in which the black communities of London descended into anarchy. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=shackleford;36911123]I assume you just went to the statistics.[/QUOTE] that's the only thing i care about and if you actually view the crime rates you will see that native australians commit much more crime. what you are saying is PHYSICALLY impossible, native australians make up almost 90% of the population!

obviously the race with a higher population would commit more crimes than one with a substantially more less population.

[QUOTE=shackleford;36911152]obviously the race with a higher population would commit more crimes than one with a substantially more less population.[/QUOTE] Than don't argue that immigrants commit the most of the crimes, argue that they are overrepresented in crimes.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36911128]no they committed half of the crimes during a time period in which the black communities of London descended into anarchy. [editline]24th July 2012[/editline] I got my wording wrong mmkay. obviously the race with a higher population would commit more crimes than one with a substantially more less population. It is the rate, if you care to look at the percentages compared to australians and cambodians for example under drugs. that's the only thing i care about and if you actually view the crime rates you will see that native australians commit much more crime. what you are saying is PHYSICALLY impossible, native australians make up almost 90% of the population![/QUOTE] Look at page 4. "Those born in Romania displayed the highest involvement in crime (92 per 1000 as against 33 per 1000 Australianborn)."

[QUOTE=Valnar;36911126]Uhh you do know that 1/5 = 20%? Even then you can't just use absolute values of population as the sole comparator, you need to account for other factors such as financial levels, education levels, social profiling.[/QUOTE] Even if they are the minority, they manage to commit at least 20% of the country's crimes. That is not normal. Not to mention that they're immigrants.

[QUOTE=shackleford;36911152]obviously the race with a higher population would commit more crimes than one with a substantially more less population.[/QUOTE] exactly, now combine that with increased poverty, political disenfranchisement, and biased justice systems, whoopi-fucking-woo you just discovered what sociology discovered ages ago. i really shouldn't be your sociology teacher. if you have concrete evidence of: -Immigrants commit more crimes because they are immigrants and nothing can change that. -Immigrants do not serve a purpose and are not invited based on labour market value. I would love to see it, but so far a shitty newspaper article and a BNP header doesn't convince me that years of sociology and anthropology are wrong.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911169]Even if they are the minority, they manage to commit at least 20% of the country's crimes. That is not normal.[/QUOTE] How the heck is 15%-20% of a population committing 20% of the crimes not normal? It shows that they are a bit overrepresented in crime, but not by a huge amount. Again as has been said many times over, you need to account for more factors than just absolute population numbers.

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911169]Even if they are the minority, they manage to commit at least 20% of the country's crimes. That is not normal. [/QUOTE] uh yes that is. it shows that immigrants do not commit more crime than non-immigrants because the crime rate is consistent with their population percentage, [b]yet you ignore that this evidence is ONLY from the London riots and ONLY based in London[/b]

[QUOTE=Valnar;36911181]How the heck is 15%-20% of a population committing 20% of the crimes not normal? It shows that they are a bit overrepresented in crime, but not by a huge amount. Again as has been said many times over, you need to account for more factors than just absolute population numbers.[/QUOTE] 15% of the England = Immigrants. That 15% is committing 1/5 of the crimes. That 15% is about 90% of immigrants themselves. Do you get it now? The majority of immigrants commit crimes.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36911179]exactly, now combine that with increased poverty, political disenfranchisement, and biased justice systems, whoopi-fucking-woo you just discovered what sociology discovered ages ago. i really shouldn't be your sociology teacher. if you have concrete evidence of: -Immigrants commit more crimes because they are immigrants and nothing can change that. -Immigrants do not serve a purpose and are not invited based on labour market value. I would love to see it, but so far a shitty newspaper article and a BNP header doesn't convince me that years of sociology and anthropology are wrong.[/QUOTE] Care to look at page 4 of the source? Look at the analysis.

If immigrants do more crime, is this immigration's fault? Does immigration cause crime? No. It simply moves the crime from one country to another. The real question is, where does this crime come from in the first place? Well, simply put: poverty, hatred, and ignorance. You solve these problems and immigration will become a good thing. It will cure local overpopulation by spreading people around. It will balance the economy by sending labor where it's needed, and away from where it's not. It will further international cooperation and peace by encouraging multiculturalism.

[QUOTE=Smashmaster;36911205]If immigrants do more crime, is this immigration's fault? Does immigration cause crime? No. It simply moves the crime from one country to another. The real question is, where does this crime come from in the first place? Well, simply put: poverty, hatred, and ignorance. You solve these problems and immigration will become a good thing. It will cure local overpopulation by spreading people around. It will balance the economy by sending labor where it's needed, and away from where it's not. It will further international cooperation and peace by encouraging multiculturalism.[/QUOTE] tl;dr: uneducated people swarm into Europe and they ruin wherever they go instead of finishing the school. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme Post & Obstinate Debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Absynth;36911198]15% of the England = Immigrants. That 15% is committing 1/5 of the crimes. That 15% is about 90% of immigrants themselves. Do you get it now? The majority of immigrants commit crimes.[/QUOTE] What you just said made no sense. 15% of a particular population of a country committing 20% of that country's crime isn't an outrageous thing. [QUOTE=Absynth;36911219]tl;dr: uneducated people swarm into Europe and they ruin wherever they go instead of finishing the school.[/QUOTE] Because everyone is lucky enough to have education in their home country or have luxury of not working in order to get that education.

[QUOTE=Valnar;36911224]What you just said made no sense. 15% of a particular population of a country committing 20% of that country's crime isn't an outrageous thing. Because everyone is lucky enough to have education in their home country.[/QUOTE] It is.