The problem that every country is frustrated with. Immigration - General

[QUOTE=Beafman;36781483]Every religion is a death cult, it postulates a life after death for those who live a good life (i.e. living and dying for the good book). You say it as if no muslim every "really" integrates into the fabric of their countries social fabric.[/QUOTE] What do other religions have to do with this? Islam is a violent death cult and that is the simple truth, stop trying to justify Islam's actions and Islamic immigration into other countries.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36781650]What do other religions have to do with this? Islam is a violent death cult and that is the simple truth, stop trying to justify Islam's actions and Islamic immigration into other countries.[/QUOTE] Very religion is a death cult. And you speak of Islam as if it was an entity, which it isn't.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36781232]Because I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim. If you're asking why Muslims aren't out in the streets killing non-muslims, I gave the answer in my previous post. And the majority of the Muslims don't even know about the violent orders, since most of the Muslims don't read Qur'an and just call themselves Muslims. There are a lot more, but here's a few to prove Islam's dark side: gg would play again come back anytime soon.[/QUOTE] So Islam hates Pagans, you know just like Christianity and Judaism.

[QUOTE=Beafman;36781692]Very religion is a death cult. And you speak of Islam as if it was an entity, which it isn't.[/QUOTE] I speak of Islam as if it is a discriminative hate cult and that is what Islam is. [QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36781720]So Islam hates Pagans, you know just like Christianity and Judaism.[/QUOTE] Pagans? They hate anyone who isn't a Muslim. But I shouldn't be using the word "they", since most Muslims aren't aware of Islam's discriminative commands. And to be honest, my opinion is the same with all discriminative religions.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36781122]That's what I just said. That's [I]exactly[/I] what I just said. They can only check if they already stopped a person for something else.[/QUOTE] "The Arizona Act... requires that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", [B]or during a "lawful contact" not specific to any activity when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant.[/B]" - Arizona SB 1070, §2.

No, they hate non believers, and the Quran says Christians and Muslims are believers.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36781950]No, they hate non believers, and the Quran says Christians and Muslims are believers.[/QUOTE] Even though this is true, I don't think it even matters. In modern, secular society, it's completely laughable to believe that because a bunch of people who are of Muslim faith are moving into your countries, you're going to see beheadings. That's just being radical.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36781950]No, they hate non believers, and the Quran says Christians and Muslims are believers.[/QUOTE] Unbelievers = unbelievers of Islam/not believing in Islam > Christians, Jews, Atheists, everyone else. Also it doesn't matter who they hate, Christians or Atheists. They discriminate, it's a fascist death cult. [QUOTE=Zally13;36782034]Even though this is true, I don't think it even matters. In modern, secular society, it's completely laughable to believe that because a bunch of people who are of Muslim faith are moving into your countries, you're going to see beheadings. That's just being radical.[/QUOTE] Once they overpopulate the non-muslim population, it will happen. [video=youtube;6-3X5hIFXYU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/video] Muslims are also commanded to give birth to at least three children. It's also another way to raise the Muslim believers' count.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36782082]Unbelievers = unbelievers of Islam/not believing in Islam > Christians, Jews, Atheists, everyone else. Also it doesn't matter who they hate, Christians or Atheists. They discriminate, it's a fascist death cult. Once they overpopulate the non-muslim population, it will happen. [video=youtube;6-3X5hIFXYU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/video] Muslims are also commanded to give birth to at least three children. It's also another way to raise the Muslim believers' count.[/QUOTE] Okay gentlemen, get out your tinfoil hats, because we are going to koo-koo land. I know several muslim families with less than 3 kids. It also says it in every other religious text to get many kids and teach them gods commandments, but you seem unable to comprehend that nothing is static. There is no "end-game" for muslims, even if they took over the entire world, it would fall apart from the inside.

[QUOTE=Beafman;36782173]Okay gentlemen, get out your tinfoil hats, because we are going to koo-koo land. I know several muslim families with less than 3 kids. It also says it in every other religious text to get many kids and teach them gods commandments, but you seem unable to comprehend that nothing is static. There is no "end-game" for muslims, even if they took over the entire world, it would fall apart from the inside.[/QUOTE] Still doesn't change the fact that Islam is violent and shouldn't be welcomed.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36782226]Still doesn't change the fact that Islam is violent and shouldn't be welcomed.[/QUOTE] Still doesn't change that you're being a bigot and stereotyping an entire 23% of the population.

[QUOTE=Zally13;36782298]Still doesn't change that you're being racist and stereotyping an entire 23% of the population.[/QUOTE] Race? What does race has to do with this?

do you have any proof that Islam is violent? any? [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=sonerin;36782344]Race? What does race has to do with this?[/QUOTE] maybe the proper term is religionist. Doesn't mean it's not discriminatory.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;36782373]do you have any proof that Islam is violent? any? [editline]15th July 2012[/editline] maybe the proper term is religionist. Doesn't mean it's not discriminatory.[/QUOTE] Yes, the verses I posted in the first page. Scroll and read them up. But those are just a few from the Qur'an, there are a lot more I can post. And yes, I am discriminating a violent death cult. Hate me as much as you'd like. And I wouldn't class myself with any words such as religionist or whatever, I'm just someone who doesn't want Islam in his life.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36782390]Yes, the verses I posted in the first page. Scroll and read them up. But those are just a few from the Qur'an, there are a lot more I can post. And yes, I am discriminating a violent death cult. Hate me as much as you'd like. And I wouldn't class myself with any words such as religionist or whatever, I'm just someone who doesn't want Islam in his life.[/QUOTE] Uhm You know that pretty much all the "book" religions (Christianity, Judaism, etc) have extremely violent orders in their respective books too, right? And that in the past, both of those religions have fought extremely bloody wars against "nonbelievers" as well?

[QUOTE=sonerin;36782344]Race? What does race has to do with this?[/QUOTE] Sorry, I meant that you're being a bigot. My point still stands. You're stereotyping 23% of the population.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36782082]Unbelievers = unbelievers of Islam/not believing in Islam > Christians, Jews, Atheists, everyone else. Also it doesn't matter who they hate, Christians or Atheists. They discriminate, it's a fascist death cult. Once they overpopulate the non-muslim population, it will happen. [video=youtube;6-3X5hIFXYU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/video] Muslims are also commanded to give birth to at least three children. It's also another way to raise the Muslim believers' count.[/QUOTE] That video has been proven false.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36783099]That video has been proven false.[/QUOTE] Not to be a cock, and I'm on your side, but I would like a source on this to keep the debate fair.

[QUOTE=Zally13;36791541]Not to be a cock, and I'm on your side, but I would like a source on this to keep the debate fair.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/demographics.asp[/url] Here you go pal.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36791789][url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/demographics.asp[/url] Here you go pal.[/QUOTE] Thanks!

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780357]Because African and Middle Eastern immigrants are usually coming from low-tier families and the majority of them are uneducated and poor so they end up wasting others' spaces and most of them become criminals.[/QUOTE] Wow that's extremely racist

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36792020]Wow that's extremely racist[/QUOTE] yes, but unfortunately to some extent is true. Quite a lot of immigrants that come in that are poor are generally under educated, and that's why they left their country of origin in the first place. Then, they try to make a life for themselves, but generally end up slipping up with some illegal activity to help them pay for their lives. It's a vicious cycle and is extremely sad really, and is one of the biggest obstacles when it comes to immigration.

IMO immigration isn't the issue, it's the integration of the immigrants into the local society, due to the underlying xenophobia that's pretty much everywhere in my country (Australia), immigrants end up having to stay in their ethnic groups in order to find jobs and social contact, killing the chance for integration. IMO this is an issue that can only be fixed by time and exposure of ethnic groups to each other and to the white majority.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780357]Because African and Middle Eastern immigrants are usually coming from low-tier families and the majority of them are uneducated and poor so they end up wasting others' spaces and most of them become criminals.[/QUOTE] Way to stereotype. Trust me, if a European family is moving to the USA, they were probably just as poor as "dem Afrikans" Anyways, immigration has benefits and also issues. On one hand, they bring new culture and help us see the world from other points of view, making us more tolerant of things as well. On the other hand, the economy might not be ready for more citizens to take care of even with more taxpayers in the country. Illegal immigration isn't really beneficial though. It has many issues and trying to keep immigrants out of the USA is like a giant money sink. It takes nearly 6 months to fully register and complete your immigration to the US now. If we lessened immigration laws, it might make things easier.

Perhaps we should examine the economic factors that drive somebody to leave latin american countries for the USA, and then examine how we created and continuously re-create those factors, and then examine how we can change those, and then examine that the mode of production won't allow that, and then re-examine Marxism and critical theory, and then re-evaluate our view of capitalism

I've always felt that immigration and emigration is bad for the host country and the immigrant's former country. The vast majority of immigrant to almost any country are poor and uneducated meaning they will get involved in crime at worst or clump together in ethnic enclaves at best. Rich and educated immigrants, while providing much to the host country, detract from their former country's ability and would be of much more use at home. Both of these immigrants slowly degrade at majority populations and majority culture, while their manpower or brainpower could be better used in their home countries.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36780357]Because African and Middle Eastern immigrants are usually coming from low-tier families and the majority of them are uneducated and poor so they end up wasting others' spaces and most of them become criminals.[/QUOTE] This isn't true at all. I know three Middle Eastern immigrant families and they all come from affluent or middle class backgrounds.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36800190]This isn't true at all. I know three Middle Eastern immigrant families and they all come from affluent or middle class backgrounds.[/QUOTE] playing devil's advocate for a second, he said usually, not all.

[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;36800430]playing devil's advocate for a second, he said usually, not all.[/QUOTE] Yes but it's not "usually". He gave no evidence at all, and my evidence, anecdotal as it may be, points to the fact that Middle Eastern immigrant families aren't "usually" lower class.

[QUOTE=sonerin;36781786]Pagans? They hate anyone who isn't a Muslim. But I shouldn't be using the word "they", since most Muslims aren't aware of Islam's discriminative commands. And to be honest, my opinion is the same with all discriminative religions.[/QUOTE] Polytheism refers to Pagans and visa versa. Broadly it simply refers to people who believe/d in multiple gods. Christians and Jews were not polytheistic so those lines you quoted really have no meaning.