The problem that every country is frustrated with. Immigration - General

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36871374]I can't even comprehend their relation to the post.[/QUOTE] If it really is that hard to see why my reply is relevant then allow me to explain, It was a similar event... People of a different culture and religion 'invaded' their lands with total disrespect of their way of life. Naturally there was an uprising. As AwpersAreBad already explained, conquests of different kinds tend to happen in the occasion of mass migration to already populated lands.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36871738]If it really is that hard to see why my reply is relevant then allow me to explain, It was a similar event... People of a different culture and religion 'invaded' their lands with total disrespect of their way of life. Naturally there was an uprising. As AwpersAreBad already explained, conquests of different kinds tend to happen in the occasion of mass migration to already populated lands.[/QUOTE] It is unrelated because the Europeans colonized the Americas, they didn't peacefully immigrate.

Well, the situation in Sweden and probably many other countries could be called a peaceful colonization then.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36872168]Well, the situation in Sweden and probably many other countries could be called a peaceful colonization then.[/QUOTE] Hahaha you're funny

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36872168]Well, the situation in Sweden and probably many other countries could be called a peaceful colonization then.[/QUOTE] Yeah, peaceful immigration to a country without forcibly (or in any way, for that matter) destroying the government or its institutions is [I]totally[/I] colonization.

At this rate it seems like the appropriate term. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] With crime rates going to the roof I wouldn't exactly call it a peaceful immigration anyway.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36874167]At this rate it seems like the appropriate term. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] With crime rates going to the roof I wouldn't exactly call it a peaceful immigration anyway.[/QUOTE] Words have meanings, and peaceful immigration from countries with a different culture than your own is not the definition of colonization, as much as you might like to believe foreigners are ruining your country.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36871738] It was a similar event... People of a different culture and religion 'invaded' their lands with total disrespect of their way of life. [/QUOTE] k except 95% of the native population died quickly within the first colonization of America you really can't be that deluded to think they are comparable.

[QUOTE=Megafan;36876641]Words have meanings, and peaceful immigration from countries with a different culture than your own is not the definition of colonization, as much as you might like to believe foreigners are ruining your country.[/QUOTE] I'd say it is a colonization when our population is gradually being overwritten. [editline]usa is evil[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;36876690]k except 95% of the native population died quickly within the first colonization of America you really can't be that deluded to think they are comparable.[/QUOTE] So if the same thing is happening only slower it makes it totally incomparable? Interesting.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36847159]I'd say the extinct native american population is a good enough example. [editline]20th July 2012[/editline] Oh look, you're american too... Is this a coincidence?[/QUOTE] That's pretty much the worst example you could possibly make and you should feel horrible for saying this. You're comparing European settlers, who had vastly superior weaponry and a whole bunch of diseases that the Native Americans had no resistance to, to people who come to your country because it's better than theirs. Do you expect them to build futuristic laser cannons and engineer deadly viruses that somehow don't affect them?

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;36877840]That's pretty much the worst example you could possibly make and you should feel horrible for saying this. You're comparing European settlers, who had vastly superior weaponry and a whole bunch of diseases that the Native Americans had no resistance to, to people who come to your country because it's better than theirs. Do you expect them to build futuristic laser cannons and engineer deadly viruses that somehow don't affect them?[/QUOTE] It's a slower process but the outcome will be the same. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] Unless and hopefully if there's an uprising ofcourse.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36877709] So just because the same thing is happening only slower[/QUOTE] oh so 95% of the population in sweden is slowly dying [quote]In any real debate, your personal experience regarding an issue is not evidence of anything.[/quote]

[QUOTE=thisispain;36878037]oh so 95% of the population in sweden is slowly dying[/QUOTE] Yes, if we keep this rate of immigration it certainly is. Not to mention children with parents of foreign origin. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/scb1.jpg[/t] [QUOTE=thisispain;36878037]In any real debate, your personal experience regarding an issue is not evidence of anything.[/QUOTE] Sorry I don't know what you're getting at.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878105]Yes, if we keep this rate of immigration it certainly is. [/QUOTE] i feel as if you really don't understand english. dying means to be killed or deprived of life. immigration doesn't kill swedish people, IE deprive of life, IE make them dead.

It will be the end of the Swedish genus. IE the Swedish population will be forever lost, IE dead.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878203]It will be the end of the Swedish genus. IE the Swedish population will be forever lost, IE dead.[/QUOTE] no you see that's a metaphorical death i'm talking about actually getting killed, because the colonists took weapons and killed natives in addition to diseases destroying civilizations. also swedish genus??????? are swedish people not homo from the hominids family? [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] that would be strange though considering linnaeus was a swede.

Why would Swedish people go anywhere? Let's just say something crazy happened, and Swedes were somehow outnumbered by foreigners in Sweden. How would that mean the "end of the Swedish genus"? Why would Swedes go anywhere?

if we base swedish reaction based on hellsten, i think at that point the swedish population would drama-queen themselves out of existence.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878105]Yes, if we keep this rate of immigration it certainly is. Not to mention children with parents of foreign origin. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/scb1.jpg[/t] Sorry I don't know what you're getting at.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously extrapolating since the 1850s? Wow, look at this chart about immigration of those damn Irish to America. If it keeps up at this rate, the US population will be 1.7b, all Irish. [img]http://i.imgur.com/70hU5.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=thisispain;36878244]no you see that's a metaphorical death i'm talking about actually getting killed, because the colonists took weapons and killed natives in addition to diseases destroying civilizations.[/QUOTE] I see your point. However I still think it is comparable, with a grain of salt. [QUOTE=thisispain;36878244]also swedish genus??????? are swedish people not homo from the hominids family?[/QUOTE] Sorry, it is late. Good to see you understood what I meant though.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878368]Sorry, it is late. Good to see you understood what I meant though.[/QUOTE] comparable with a grain of salt? it's not comparable at all, and it's fucking disgusting to use the systematic killing of people in order to advance your political view that somehow swedish people are being genocided out of existence. my "genus", the jew, actually was the subject of several genocides. we seem to have survived just fine so i don't know where you get your viewpoints from. maybe some right-wing newspaper that's riling you up for votes?

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878368]I see your point. However I still think it is comparable, with a grain of salt. Sorry, it is late. Good to see you understood what I meant though.[/QUOTE] No, it isn't. You somehow believe that if there are more foreigners in Sweden, the people whom you currently consider 'Swedish' will disappear. You're about as bad as those people in the 50s and 60s who claimed that "race-mixing" was tantamount to Communism.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36878408]comparable with a grain of salt? it's not comparable at all, and it's fucking disgusting to use the systematic killing of people in order to advance your political view that somehow swedish people are being genocided out of existence.[/QUOTE] Advancing my political view? I was making a comparison that I deemed reasonable. [QUOTE=thisispain;36878408]my "genus", the jew, actually was the subject of several genocides. we seem to have survived just fine so[/QUOTE] That's wonderful, but where's your country at? Your people deserves one. (I'm not being sarcastic) [QUOTE=thisispain;36878408]i don't know where you get your viewpoints from. maybe some right-wing newspaper that's riling you up for votes?[/QUOTE] My viewpoints are as valid as yours and there are countless of examples of mine in animal life. Protecting your territory is completely natural.

[QUOTE=Megafan;36878425]No, it isn't. You somehow believe that if there are more foreigners in Sweden, the people whom you currently consider 'Swedish' will disappear. You're about as bad as those people in the 50s and 60s who claimed that "race-mixing" was tantamount to Communism[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, Swedes are an ethnic group, and ethnic groups do disappear. You also can't compare America, a country built off of multiculturalism and immigrants to a country with an established language and ethnic group.

[QUOTE=Megafan;36878425]No, it isn't. You somehow believe that if there are more foreigners in Sweden, the people whom you currently consider 'Swedish' will disappear. You're about as bad as those people in the 50s and 60s who claimed that "race-mixing" was tantamount to Communism.[/QUOTE] It is retarded to think that racemixing and that kind of thing is a problem for you genetic purity, but having a large unassimilated segment of the population is only going to lead to problems. A large minority with little to no cohesion with the majority combined with the lower income status common among immigrants are not good, especially when you have idiots like Hellsten and Breivik calling for uprisings against them.

I'm not calling for a violent uprising. I'm a democrat. I'm hoping for the Swedes to understand that we cannot keep such a massive immigration like this.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878529]Advancing my political view? I was making a comparison that I deemed reasonable.[/QUOTE] and i said that comparison was so unreasonable only someone with an strong political view would consider it reasonable. [QUOTE=Hellsten;36878529]That's wonderful, but where's your country at? [/QUOTE] it's in between ireland and the netherlands [QUOTE=Hellsten;36878529]there are countless of examples of mine in animal life. [/QUOTE] using animal life you would come to the conclusion that hurling fecal matter is the way to solve domestic disputes.

[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;36878541]Believe it or not, Swedes are an ethnic group, and ethnic groups do disappear. You also can't compare America, a country built off of multiculturalism and immigrants to a country with an established language and ethnic group.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and no realistic amount of immigrants from the Middle East, Western Europe, Africa, Asia, or the Americas is going to make them disappear. To think that ethnic Swedish are in some kind of danger when 85% of Swedish citizens were born in Sweden, with the next largest minorities being Finns (5%), Assyrians (0.88%), followed by a smattering of others ranging from Danes and Norwegians to Turks and Iraqis. All of this was from the 2005 census, so unless within 7 years foreigners have contributed over 6,836,615 (the amount of Swedes in 2005) non-Swedes to the country, then I dare say that the Swedish are still around, and will be for as long as anyone can guess.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36878612]and i said that comparison was so unreasonable only someone with an strong political view would consider it reasonable.[/QUOTE] Ok. [QUOTE=thisispain;36878612]it's in between ireland and the netherlands[/QUOTE] It's ok if you don't want to talk about it. [QUOTE=thisispain;36878612]using animal life you would come to the conclusion that hurling fecal matter is the way to solve domestic disputes.[/QUOTE] There's plenty to learn from animal life. And plenty has been learned already. How would you solve a dispute like this? Or would you rather not solve it? It is more comfortable to stay passive, as such has my countrymen found out, sadly. Try to put yourself in my position (I know it is hard, but try). You're a individual living in a country with a history going far back to the times when these lands were unoccupied. You feel a strong connection to your people, your culture and your ancestors. Your country is a peaceful and prosperous country. Somewhere else on the planet there are people living in despair and are in desperate need of help. Do you pick out a small amount of those people to come to your country to live a life on welfare and under undeployment (welfare bills you pay - which under the same time you note an increased crime rate and a negative cultural development), [I]or[/I] do you send the aid where you can help the most of them, where the problem is rooted? [QUOTE=Megafan;36878659]To think that ethnic Swedish are in some kind of danger when 85% of Swedish citizens were born in Sweden[/QUOTE] Don't forget those born in Sweden with parents of foreign origin. Simply being born in Sweden does not make you an ethnic Swede, now that we are on the subject of ethnicity.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;36878737]Don't forget those born in Sweden with parents of foreign origin. Simply being born in Sweden does not make you an ethnic Swede, now that we are on the subject of ethnicity.[/QUOTE] Then you tell me, what percentage of Swedish citizens are ethnic Swedes? Surely if they're under significant threat as you say, then there should be some statistic you can cite to show it. Something like 'only 40% of Swedish citizens are ethnic Swedes'. Hint: It's not "I see x amount of them in a given week/month/year".