[QUOTE=thisispain;31302039]no it isn't but whatever
i'm gonna bitch about this until you people get your act together[/QUOTE] I'm curious what other point it is you think you're quibbling over. If it's that you can't fight misandry with misogyny, then there's really nothing to argue, as no one in here is doing that.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;31302209]I'm curious what other point it is you think you're quibbling over. The only thing that even comes close in your posts is your claim that it's "out of spite" but that's neither here nor there.[/QUOTE]
well of course if you were making the claims you wouldn't think they were stupid.
but i've seen so many of these threads and it's [B]always[/B] the same shit. i don't believe for a second that any of you are sincere. if you ask me you just want ammo for a spiteful war against feminists. male sexism does not necessarily exist on TV, it exists as circumcision which is forced on males in some places but not seen as a bad thing like female circumcision. and in domestic abuse cases men are always ignored.
these are real cases yet no-one talks about them here, you just wanna talk about stupid double standards that don't even really exist.
and then twist my words by somehow suggesting i think male sexism is okay when i'm pretty sure i said male sexism becomes irrelevant when comparing to female sexism because it's far more benign in its execution. males aren't the one being suppressed in societies and that's exactly the reason why there's what you see as a double standard.
it's the same idiotic complaint as "whites don't get to be racist" which demonstrates a lack of social understanding. there's absolutely no doubt that white racism is far more malignant and hurtful in our society than black racism and that's evident by all cases besides anecdotal evidence.
in several studies it's found that white males get better jobs and are portrayed better in the media simply for being white males. the same does not apply for black people or women so i find it preposterous to assume they are the same.
that's my qualm with your squabbling. you're not serious, you just wanna be a dick to people and you found a good reason for it.
Gotta uhgree.
For all you know the wife could've been a psychopath and the guy could have been the nicest, most selfless man in the world who gave her millions of chances and gave her everything, but only got shit. Yet these dumb bimbo cunts have the audacity to laugh at this?
Maybe if my example was reversed, but even then, what justifies mutilation? What kind of sick fuck thinks its ok? What monster laughs at it? Ever?
if you want equality then don't expect to be above men, I respect that a woman can go through an emotional hell and know for a fact that a mother can go through a lot, but expect the same treatment men get, and the same respect out of me that men get, the same work for the same pay, the same reactions from the same actions. If you want to be equal, then you have NO, NO, NO, NO, [B]NO[/B] fucking right to joke about something like that, when you would in fact be shocked, and offended very greatly if a man joked about vaginal mutilation. While there are a lot of cases, if not more that woman are inocent, there are thousands of cases where the woman is not. My example? The mother that drowned three kids in her tub, the mother that shot her son to save his 'soul', and Sharon Osborne. Women can do just as much harm as men can do you know.
Woman can get more emotionally hurt than men because of how the female brain functions, but just because of it doesn't give us the right to be sexist towards men. Woman have just as much intelligent as their opposite, and thus we should respect that. However we cannot purely go by emotion, but rather the moral intention behind acts.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]well of course if you were making the claims you wouldn't think they were stupid.
but i've seen so many of these threads and it's [B]always[/B] the same shit. i don't believe for a second that any of you are sincere. if you ask me you just want ammo for a spiteful war against feminists. male sexism does not necessarily exist on TV, it exists as circumcision which is forced on males in some places but not seen as a bad thing like female circumcision. and in domestic abuse cases men are always ignored.
these are real cases yet no-one talks about them here, you just wanna talk about stupid double standards that don't even really exist.
and then twist my words by somehow suggesting i think male sexism is okay when i'm pretty sure i said male sexism becomes irrelevant when comparing to female sexism because it's far more benign in its execution. males aren't the one being suppressed in societies and that's exactly the reason why there's what you see as a double standard.
it's the same idiotic complaint as "whites don't get to be racist" which demonstrates a lack of social understanding. there's absolutely no doubt that white racism is far more malignant and hurtful in our society than black racism and that's evident by all cases besides anecdotal evidence.
in several studies it's found that white males get better jobs and are portrayed better in the media simply for being white males. the same does not apply for black people or women so i find it preposterous to assume they are the same.
that's my qualm with your squabbling. you're not serious, you just wanna be a dick to people and you found a good reason for it.[/QUOTE]
It's almost like you don't understand what equality means.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ7wT4CUprQ&feature=channel_video_title[/media]
Relevant?
[QUOTE=Armyis1337;31302536]It's almost like you don't understand what equality means.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck are you talking down to me for? i'm quite aware and understanding of equality and i know that women are not even close to being equal to men in both american and canadian society.
and i am spelling misandry correctly so why don't you go be a poopie-face elsewhere
quoting public enemy "No we're not the same Cause we don't know the game"
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302570]what the fuck are you talking down to me for? [b]i'm quite aware and understanding of equality and i know that women are not even close to being equal to men in both american and canadian society.[/b]
and i am spelling misandry correctly so why don't you go be a poopie-face elsewhere
quoting public enemy "No we're not the same Cause we don't know the game"[/QUOTE]
Well then you sure aren't helping the cause.
[QUOTE=Armyis1337;31302627]Well then you sure aren't helping the cause.[/QUOTE]
no i think i am by making an attempt to understand where misandry exists and i'm not seeing it in the media so uh
plus as a feminist i also believe male liberation is important to the goal of female liberation, regardless of what supposed syndrome i might have
I never take thisispain's posts seriously, this isn't an isolated incident. :v:
Also on that video with Sharon made me kinda speechless. Its hilarious for a man's penis to get chopped off and then put inside a garbage shredder? Not to mention everyone laughed with her too.
This is the exact same reason why I've never taken feminism seriously.
Just for the sake of convenience, I will be editing out the parts of your post that serve no purpose.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]
but i've seen so many of these threads and it's [B]always[/B] the same shit. i don't believe for a second that any of you are sincere. if you ask me you just want ammo for a spiteful war against feminists.[/QUOTE]
I've seen the other thread, and that was not the same shit. No one here is saying they want to go rape some sense into Sharon for her comments.
Everything else in your post is a massive generalization. If you read the thread, you'd see the idea is wrong on it's face, as I've seen posts not only demonstrating a proper understanding of, but accepting the concept of feminism.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]
male sexism does not necessarily exist on TV, it exists as circumcision which is forced on males in some places but not seen as a bad thing like female circumcision. and in domestic abuse cases men are always ignored.
these are real cases yet no-one talks about them here, you just wanna talk about stupid double standards that don't even really exist.
[/QUOTE]
First of all, we're not talking about those cases because they haven't been brought before us. If a news piece about such cases showed up, I'm sure people here would talk about it.
Secondly, the event that kicked this discussion off (Sharon's comment) is proof of the double standard. TAA includes two other examples of it in his video as well. You want to argue that these double standards don't exist? Explain that to me please.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]
and then twist my words by somehow suggesting i think male sexism is okay when i'm pretty sure i said male sexism becomes irrelevant when comparing to female sexism because it's far more benign in its execution. males aren't the one being suppressed in societies and that's exactly the reason why there's what you see as a double standard.
[/QUOTE]
Saying "it's ok" and "it's irrelevant" is basically the same thing. Also, please explain how it's benign. The more you let these stereotypes persist the greater their effect becomes. Additionally, the example TAA cited where a Russian woman kept a robber as a sex slave for 3 days is a little more than benign if you ask me.
I was going to say that the last part doesn't even make sense, but really your whole argument doesn't make sense. First you say that you're not ok with misandry, then you say that because there's (in your mind) more misogyny than misandry it's irrelevant (aka ok). Basically, everything you say contradicts itself.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]
it's the same idiotic complaint as "whites don't get to be racist" which demonstrates a lack of social understanding. there's absolutely no doubt that white racism is far more malignant and hurtful in our society than black racism and that's evident by all cases besides anecdotal evidence.
in several studies it's found that white males get better jobs and are portrayed better in the media simply for being white males. the same does not apply for black people or women so i find it preposterous to assume they are the same.
[/QUOTE]
It only seems more malignant because our society is more heavily saturated with those kinds of bigotry. The simple truth is that it's not ok, wherever it's directed. Arguing about "how much worser" one is than the other is simply misleading.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]
that's my qualm with your squabbling. you're not serious, you just wanna be a dick to people and you found a good reason for it.[/QUOTE]
I assure you I'm quite serious, as are most of us here.
Also, having read your brand of posts in the past, it seems you're the one who wants to be a dick to people, if anyone. Never have I seen a single person write as many poorly worded arguments as you. I argue because I want my side to be understood; you just seem to want to pick fights.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;31302742]
Also on that video with Sharon made me kinda speechless. Its hilarious for a man's penis to get chopped off and then put inside a garbage shredder? Not to mention everyone laughed with her too.
This is the exact same reason why I've never taken feminism seriously.[/QUOTE]
you don't take my posts seriously yet you suggest sharon osborne is somehow representative of feminism
mm okay
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302665]no i think i am by making an attempt to understand where misandry exists and i'm not seeing it in the media so uh
plus as a feminist i also believe male liberation is important to the goal of female liberation, regardless of what supposed syndrome i might have[/QUOTE]
if you want equality, act like an equal, don't be a douche bag about it, it helps no one. Someone jokes about females? Ignore it. Don't make a giant deal about it, you don't see men spilling out their emotions and tear jerking over this issue, you see men just telling everyone how much of a stupid cunt she really is (Just like you should see females doing this as well). Same goes for males, they want to make jokes about females, or vise verse? They're just being dumb and biased.
Sexism, just like racism, is bad, on all sides.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;31302749]Just for the sake of convenience, I will be editing out the parts of your post that serve no purpose.[/QUOTE]
i'll do the same
oh look nothing's left
but seriously though you just ignored the whole crux of my argument and went on to say how i think misandry is okay even though i already clarified what i actually meant
you're talking a lot but not saying anything
[editline]24th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;31302776]if you want equality, act like an equal, don't be a douche bag about it, it helps no one. [/QUOTE]
it's good for my brain, keeps me knifes sharp
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302792]it's good for my brain, keeps me knifes sharp[/QUOTE]
keeps the knifes sharp but the brain dull. You can't let woman be equals, then start acting like they're better than males just because they have tits and a vagina, if they make sexist jokes, they should be looked down upon all the same.
Woman should be equals, and act like it. I have never seen any of my male friends make a single sexist joke, other than the dumb ones who aren't really my friends, ever. the only media I see with female jokes are the ones that are greatly looked down upon.
This isn't the early 1900's, you know, people don't make sexist jokes and get the same reactions as they did back then.
[QUOTE=J!NX;31302835]keeps the knifes sharp but the brain dull. You can't let woman be equals, then start acting like they're better than males just because they have tits and a vagina, if they make sexist jokes, they should be looked down upon all the same.
Woman should be equals, and act like it.[/QUOTE]
UGH for the last time i didn't say misandry or male sexism was a good thing. i said that in our society one has a far large consequence than another which is undeniable except here apparently.
and when i said irrelevant it means that it's not indicative of any kind of double standard because there's no standard in the first place.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302792]i'll do the same
oh look nothing's left
but seriously though you just ignored the whole crux of my argument and went on to say how i think misandry is okay even though i already clarified what i actually meant
you're talking a lot but not saying anything
[/QUOTE]
Did you read the rest of my post? Claim the rest is unimportant if you want, but it seems you've skipped over the most important line.
The crux of your argument is because other kinds of bigotry apparently leave a more noticeable imprint on our society, they should be treated differently.
The thing is, by doing that you're simply reinforcing that there is a difference between the groups in question. You're perpetuating the circumstance (inequality) that you're fighting.
In summation, if you want equality fight for equality.
[QUOTE=Kentz;31276982]It´s the same thing with racism too.
Also I just noticed how his voice is incredibly similiar to Rodney Mckay in Stargate atlantis[/QUOTE]
back in middle school mexicans made fun of me alot (i'm an iraqi muslim) and if i made fun of mexicans they would get mad and call me a racist
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;31302882]
The thing is, by doing that you're simply reinforcing that there is a difference between the groups in question. [/QUOTE]
there's a difference in the groups though when it comes to society. i don't agree with the idea at all that i'm somehow perpetuating any inequality. did martin luther king perpetuate inequality when he suggested that black racism was a huge problem compared to white racism? should the suffragettes not have pointed out the inequality in the voting system?
i don't understand your logic at all, how is refusing to acknowledge phony misconceptions about society the same as reinforcing inequality? that's a laughable concept.
[QUOTE=Region;31302914]back in middle school mexicans made fun of me alot (i'm an iraqi muslim) and if i made fun of mexicans they would get mad and call me a racist[/QUOTE]
Just like how Sharon makes fun of men, but once a man calls her a dumb cunt, she'll pull the sexist card.
[editline]24th July 2011[/editline]
I see just as much sexism on both sides, personally.
I'm a gay guy, trust me, I'm a professional on this stuff.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302869]UGH for the last time i didn't say misandry or male sexism was a good thing. i said that in our society one has a far large consequence than another which is undeniable except here apparently.
and when i said irrelevant it means that it's not indicative of any kind of double standard because there's no standard in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I can see now. However it shouldn't happen, ever, like I said, to get equality, act equal. Though you hopefully agree with that already. Females being sexist would cause males to be sexist back, and since the females would end up having the advantage because males would be looked down upon for sexism more, it would cause a viscous cycle. This way, all sexism can have the same impact. Same goes for racism. Black man minds his business, ignores, racism lessens, but if he starts being racist back, it gets worse.
Your wording is wild and confusing at times.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302925]there's a difference in the groups though when it comes to society. i don't agree with the idea at all that i'm somehow perpetuating any inequality. did martin luther king perpetuate inequality when he suggested that black racism was a huge problem compared to white racism? should the suffragettes not have pointed out the inequality in the voting system?
i don't understand your logic at all, how is refusing to acknowledge phony misconceptions about society the same as reinforcing inequality? that's a laughable concept.[/QUOTE]
Oh please, you're not Martin Luther King Jr. He argued for equality. You're simply refusing to acknowledge what's in front of your face.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccyu44rsaZo[/media]
5:39
Ohh how the times have changed.
Listen to all those ignorant assholes laugh.
[QUOTE=J!NX;31302949]Just like how Sharon makes fun of men, but once a man calls her a dumb cunt, she'll pull the sexist card.[/QUOTE]
but i don't think sharon is sexist and i don't think that anyone who calls her out on stupid shit is sexist. no-one smart will do that. sharon is a dumb cunt sure but the reason why everyone is getting peaved off isn't because sharon is dumb, it's because of several reasons listed out that in reality just go back to good old fashioned mistrust and dislike of women. and that's exactly what i have a problem with
[QUOTE=J!NX;31302949]Your wording is wild and confusing at times.[/QUOTE]
if you could see my facial and hand gestures it would be a lot more simple.
[editline]24th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;31303007]Oh please, you're not Martin Luther King Jr. [/QUOTE]
when did i say i was martin luther king?
no i'm pretty sure i was pointing out that if we apply what i think is your logic martin luther king was wrong to acknowledge black inequality as more hurtful and serious than white inequality.
i'm not even sure what i'm supposed to acknowledge
[QUOTE=thisispain;31303037]but i don't think sharon is sexist and i don't think that anyone who calls her out on stupid shit is sexist. no-one smart will do that. sharon is a dumb cunt sure but the reason why everyone is getting peaved off isn't because sharon is dumb, it's because of several reasons listed out that in reality just go back to good old fashioned mistrust and dislike of women. and that's exactly what i have a problem with
if you could see my facial and hand gestures it would be a lot more simple.[/QUOTE]
I found her comments to be very sexist, personally, but yeah, she is a dumb cunt.
[QUOTE=dannass;31303025]
Ohh how the times have changed.[/QUOTE]
not that much has changed, maybe america is more egalitarian but TV is an illusion
[editline]24th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;31303059]I found her comments to be very sexist, personally, but yeah, she is a dumb cunt.[/QUOTE]
it's the same way you can make a vagina joke and not be sexist
if you watch the whole actual video of that show you'll see that they're just terrible and wanted to be edgy so they said some stupid shit and in the end they even acknowledge that it was a seriously fucked up thing to do.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31303037]but i don't think sharon is sexist and i don't think that anyone who calls her out on stupid shit is sexist. no-one smart will do that. sharon is a dumb cunt sure but the reason why everyone is getting peaved off isn't because sharon is dumb, it's because of several reasons listed out that in reality just go back to good old fashioned mistrust and dislike of women. and that's exactly what i have a problem with
if you could see my facial and hand gestures it would be a lot more simple.
[editline]24th July 2011[/editline]
when did i say i was martin luther king?
no i'm pretty sure i was pointing out that if we apply what i think is your logic martin luther king was wrong to acknowledge black inequality as more hurtful and serious than white inequality.
i'm not even sure what i'm supposed to acknowledge[/QUOTE]
You cited his argument in a manner that seemed to insinuate that his argument is the same one you're making. Which it's not.
He wasn't arguing that it was worse. He didn't see the problems his society was facing and say "man, the discrimination we're facing is so much worse than the discrimination they're facing," he said "I'm tired of facing discrimination!"
Fighting for equality doesn't mean keeping quiet when something you disagree with happens just because it's happening to the side you perceive to be on top.
That's not MLK. That's Malcolm X.
Fighting for equality means equality.
Period.
EDIT:
Look, could you just try and think a little more before making a post? Every single time I've seen you get into an argument it's because other people can't understand what point you were trying to make.
If you'd just said
[quote=thisispain]Aw, cmon guys you're over-reacting. Yes, the joke was in bad taste, but guys make plenty of misogynist jokes and get away with it. This isn't indicative of the larger phenomena you claim it to be.[/quote] then this whole argument wouldn't have happened.
I'm sorry if I came off as angry, but please, just be a little clearer and I'm sure this kind of thing can be avoided.
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;31303224]
Fighting for equality doesn't mean keeping quiet when something you disagree with happens just because it's happening to the side you perceive to be on top. [/QUOTE]
when did i do this? and yes martin luther king did say that his discrimination is more hurtful than white discrimination and even advocated reparations for black people: "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis."
[QUOTE=thisispain;31302327]well of course if you were making the claims you wouldn't think they were stupid.
but i've seen so many of these threads and it's [B]always[/B] the same shit. i don't believe for a second that any of you are sincere. if you ask me you just want ammo for a spiteful war against feminists. [B]male sexism does not necessarily exist on TV[/B], it exists as circumcision which is forced on males in some places but not seen as a bad thing like female circumcision. and in domestic abuse cases men are always ignored.
these are real cases yet no-one talks about them here, you just wanna talk about stupid double standards that don't even really exist.
and then twist my words by somehow suggesting i think male sexism is okay when i'm pretty sure i said male sexism becomes irrelevant when comparing to female sexism because it's far more benign in its execution. males aren't the one being suppressed in societies and that's exactly the reason why there's what you see as a double standard.
it's the same idiotic complaint as "whites don't get to be racist" which demonstrates a lack of social understanding. there's absolutely no doubt that white racism is far more malignant and hurtful in our society than black racism and that's evident by all cases besides anecdotal evidence.
in several studies it's found that white males get better jobs and are portrayed better in the media simply for being white males. the same does not apply for black people or women so i find it preposterous to assume they are the same.
that's my qualm with your squabbling. you're not serious, you just wanna be a dick to people and you found a good reason for it.[/QUOTE]
do you even know what sexism is
[QUOTE=thisispain;31303067]it's the same way you can make a vagina joke and not be sexist
if you watch the whole actual video of that show you'll see that they're just terrible and wanted to be edgy so they said some stupid shit and in the end they even acknowledge that it was a seriously fucked up thing to do.[/QUOTE]
The sexist part comes in when they are allowed to do that while if the situation would be reversed people would demand blood. Or if a man would rape a girl for 3 days for breaking in. You really can't see the double standard?
Only without double standards there can be equality. But you are willing to say that those double standards DON'T EXIST because they are in favor of women. This is why I can't take feminists seriously.
[QUOTE=thisispain;31303282]when did i do this? and yes martin luther king did say that his discrimination is more hurtful than white discrimination and even advocated reparations for black people: "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis."[/QUOTE]
When you said those double standards we're talking about here don't exist.
[QUOTE=Nibwoddle;31303304]do you even know what sexism is[/QUOTE]
discrimination of people based on their gender when gender is not applicable?
i don't know maybe you have a better definition than the dictionary...
[editline]24th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;31303326]The sexist part comes in when they are allowed to do that while if the situation would be reversed people would demand blood. Or if a man would rape a girl for 3 days for breaking in. You really can't see the double standard? [/QUOTE]
no they wouldn't. you're exaggerating the issue to prove your point. what's the situation reversed? if a man made a joke about dismembered vagina's? i saw a comedian make one once, [B]he was hilarious.[/B]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;31303326]Only without double standards there can be equality. But you are willing to say that those double standards DON'T EXIST because they are in favor of women. This is why I can't take feminists seriously.[/QUOTE]
no those double standards don't exist because they are an illusion. you're talking out of your ass and while that's normal and okay for you to do i don't like it when it paints me as something that i don't agree with. sharon osborne making a joke about penises isn't a double standard, [B]male rape cases being dismissed as okay is[/B], why don't you get angry about that instead of some stupid bullshit on TV.
but my point is that you don't care, you just wanna be angry and spiteful because you like to hate feminists and talk shit about them. how much do you really care about male sexism that you speak so compassionately about it on a web forum? do you give to organizations fighting it?
