Lolicon, should it be legal or illegal. - General

[QUOTE=TomGoodWoman;32732525]Lets take... uhh, lets take that high school shooting in the 90's, the 2 boys who did that were MAJOR AS FUCK players of DooM. okay, not really related, but lets say your FAPPING SO FUCKING HARD to all this loli and you start to get the desire to rape children. see?[/QUOTE] I love Doom, Quake and other games like that and I have anger management problems and history of panic attacks, suicide attempts. Yes, sometimes I wanted to kill someone because they really pissed me off, but who didn't? When I think about killing someone, it's just really bad and I would never do something like this. And even if I did even accidentally I would probably kill myself because I wouldn't be able to live with such guilt in my heart. Killing a bunch of polygons and pixels(Because what else are these characters in video games?) is nothing like killing a real human being. Gore in video games is nothing like real blood and guts. While I won't find a zombie in a video game too shocking, but if I saw a dead body in the real world I would be quite scared and disgusted. So, even though I am stable like Windows 95 running 25 programs at once, I still wouldn't even consider really killing someone.

[QUOTE=DemonDog;32731357]I think it should be completely legal. If someone gets off to drawings of kids, who the fuck cares. It doesn't hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] As long as it's only drawings But people stop making arguments with homosexuality,it's something completely different. Just your common sense tells you that there's something wrong with fully grown men having sex with 12-year olds .

[QUOTE=Clementine;32733187]Mentally ill? Are homosexuals mentally ill? The only difference is how society views the relationships[/QUOTE] There's a difference between you thinking of fucking a grown-up man, and fantasizing about small girls that isn't old enough to have sex. Of course it's different how the society views the relationships, but the society have views on murder and rape as well.

[QUOTE=TomGoodWoman;32732525]Lets take... uhh, lets take that high school shooting in the 90's, the 2 boys who did that were MAJOR AS FUCK players of DooM. okay, not really related, but lets say your FAPPING SO FUCKING HARD to all this loli and you start to get the desire to rape children. see?[/QUOTE] I played a violent video game Suddenly i murder someone,i explain that it was not because of a video game.But it's pointless because fox news bias it and suddenly ''BAN VIDEO GAMES THEY MAKE OUR KIDS KILL PEOPLE''

[QUOTE=xxncxx;32732705]wow you are stupid [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] are you a soccer mom? video games do not cause violence, regardless of what you think, therefore that was a terrible analogy and does not help your point whatsoever.[/QUOTE] no i am not a soccer mom and i am playing dead island as we speak

[QUOTE=TomGoodWoman;32733633]no i am not a soccer mom and i am [b]playing dead island as we speak[/b][/QUOTE] who cares?

Okay, so the only counter-point so far for Lolicon to be illegal is: that since the columbine shooters [i]may[/i] have played a lot of Doom, that loli fappers must be tempted to rape children. If you honestly believe that, just watch these. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWr4htYp9dM[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7comwLPFY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLBx9XOhsm8[/media]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;32733703]who cares?[/QUOTE] hey man i am [B]just trying[/B] to say that what you said is stupid that i am jack thompson

[QUOTE=garry;32728599]We should be able to draw anything we want.[/QUOTE] Agreed.

[QUOTE=TomGoodWoman;32733731]hey man i am [B]just trying[/B] to say that what you said is stupid that i am jack thompson[/QUOTE] how is what i am saying stupid when your using terrible analogies that sound like they came from a soccer mom? [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] take your bias somewhere else

Yes, as it might be an outlet for pedophiles who might otherwise act on their urges.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;32733762]how is what i am saying stupid when your using terrible analogies that sound like they came from a soccer mom? [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] take your bias somewhere else[/QUOTE] Okay cool.

Should be legal, it's drawn and its legal to draw whatever you want. As long as there is no human being involved in any way except for the artist drawing it'' from their heads. I really dont care how sick or fucked up it is. Also, dont think this s voiced by only adults, kids do voce acting for the too.

[QUOTE=garychencool;32733908]Should be legal, it's drawn and its legal to draw whatever you want. As long as there is no human being involved in any way except for the artist drawing it'' from their heads. I really dont care how sick or fucked up it is. Also, dont think this s voiced by only adults,[b] kids do voce acting for the too.[/b][/QUOTE] no, no they dont.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;32733226]Now let me try to throw a wrench into the argument. What if kids are being used as reference for lolicon images? Then, how would you know if there was a victim involved?[/QUOTE] While that is kind of a strange situation to imagine, I'd say that then there's a different crime going on. If someone is drawing it while actually abusing a child, then it is the abuse of said child that would be the crime - the drawing would still just be a drawing. But if it was extremely accurate? That's interesting. Because then it would be just like taking a picture. But if the person is just using innocent images of children for reference and then drawing them differently into sexual situations, then it's exactly the same. No victim, no crime. [quote]It just seems odd that something that could potentially hold off the urges of pedophiles,[/quote] Well, one could argue that lolicon would be something like a "gateway drug", in the sense that, it could lead to someone starting to look at real pictures, then child porn, to actual child molestation. One could argue that it reinforces the deviant thoughts and making them stronger. But unfortunately, there's no evidence for that. In fact, there's evidence that when porn is legal, rape goes down. And that goes in all situations, so if lolicon is legal, there is less child abuse. Hell, in countries where child porn is legal, there is less child abuse. [quote]forcing them to support people that make child porn/exploit a child themselves.[/quote] Again, one could argue that they aren't forced to do that, that they should just seek therapy and try to get rid of their deviant feelings. But again, there's no evidence to support that changing a person's sexuality is even possible. And maybe the reverse is even true; that without lolicon, there will be a built-up of frustration, eventually causing the pedo to snap. So, yeah. Still, I'm actually surprised to see (almost) everyone agreeing here. [quote]Definitely illegal. Yeah, yeah, it's an illustration, but do you know what it's an illustration of? Child porn. Which is already illegal in a lot of places. [/quote] You seem to have forgotten why child porn is illegal. It isn't illegal because it's disgusting; it's illegal because a child is being abused [I](harm is caused to a victim)[/I], which is not the case in lolicon. Like mentioned somewhere above, there's a reason why murder is illegal when murder in video games is not. One causes harm to a real person, while the other doesn't. Just because one is a representation of the real deal, does not make it as bad.

Legal, even though it's pretty bad.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;32732564]Definitely illegal. Yeah, yeah, it's an illustration, but do you know what it's an illustration of? Child porn. Which is already illegal in a lot of places.[/QUOTE] um so what are you suggesting that depicting illegal acts should be illegal because [B]WOW[/B] there goes a huge chunk of our culture or just lolicon because it's icky right

Oh hey guys. Did you notice that "Mass debate" sounds a lot like "Masturbate"? Funny right?!

[QUOTE=GuruLongie;32734595]Oh hey guys. Did you notice that "Mass debate" sounds a lot like "Masturbate"? Funny right?![/QUOTE] I think everyone knew that the day this section was created. Now by the looks of it this debate has essentially no points left for the illegal side, so it's safe to say this debate is over, as it'll be nothing but people agreeing that it should be legal for the next few pages with the occasional devil's advocate failing at a counter-argument.

[QUOTE=Psycho_Shadow;32734658]I think everyone knew that the day this section was created. Now by the looks of it this debate has essentially no points left for the illegal side, so it's safe to say this debate is over, as it'll be nothing but people agreeing that it should be legal for the next few pages with the occasional devil's advocate failing at a counter-argument.[/QUOTE] Who are you to declare arguments valid or invalid? While I agree with most people in this thread, it's just as valid in my mind to believe that lolicon should be illegal of moral and ethical reasons.

I don't really care as it isn't real children.

[QUOTE=GuruLongie;32734720]Who are you to declare arguments valid or invalid? While I agree with most people in this thread, it's just as valid in my mind to believe that lolicon should be illegal of moral and ethical reasons.[/QUOTE] So you're essentially saying that lolicon should be illegal because you think it's wrong? As wrong as it may be to some, and even myself, they're simply drawings that hurt no one.

[QUOTE=GuruLongie;32734720]it's just as valid in my mind to believe that lolicon should be illegal of moral and ethical reasons.[/QUOTE] that doesn't make any sense please elaborate because that's [I]exactly[/I] the same argument they used against pornography back in the day and it got shot down hard

legal no one is getting hurt and it doesn't promote child rape because if someone were to go out and rape people then they were going to do that regardless

The only reason child porn is illegal is because kids are almost always abused in the making of it, considering that lolicon is drawings, why not?

[QUOTE=Crimor;32727779]I like how you call someone a sick fuck, simply because he has a different fetish than you do. [/QUOTE] Actually no, people who want to wank to this shit gross me out, but I was referring to controlling [b]urges[/b] Which I made pretty blatant. I was talking about a person likely to assault a child([b]sick fuck[/b]) calming himself down to this. Yes I find it as a fetish disgusting, I can't help that.

IMO ------ Legal. While lolicon is sick and frowned upon in modern society, it does not commit a crime against humanity in any way, shape, or form. It's a fetish, and it should be looked at as a fetish, not a crime. Pedophilia is mental sickness that leads to the torture/rape/mental scarring of an innocent human being. Lolicon doesn't lead to torture/rape/mental scarring. Lolicon leads to those as much as video games lead to violence and low grades.

Legal. Not only for the previously stated reason of there being no victim, but how would you judge it? How would you determine a legal age of a character? What if I drew a stick figure with boobs and wrote Age 7? Surely I couldnt get in legal trouble for that (It would be unconstitutional in America, however to be so strict as to limit drawing, but I'm assuming this debate is multi-national)

Legal. Just drawings, nothing more. If there were actual victims then yeah but if anything it keeps pedofiles from acting on anything.

It should be legal, and always remain legal. A bit of Hentai isn't going to make a fatass hump a kid to oblivion. If only the world had less dumbass politicians.