[QUOTE=Mifil;52922660]SFWs are the scapegoat of the internet.[/QUOTE]
Anyone else remember when the characters in Mass Effect Andromeda looking like shit was pinned on feminism/social justice attempts to make people look less beautiful and then it turned out to everyones shock that it was just because Bioware Montreal was a trainwreck?
[QUOTE=Zyler;52923486]I don't think either of those articles are saying "Cuphead is racist" or "Cuphead is ableist". It's bringing up discussion about the origins of the art direction and sound design, which is rooted in the 1930s era of racist cartoons which depicted caricatures of black people performing various acts of vice, which are recreated almost exactly in some components of the character designs and story beats in Cuphead- just with the explicitly racist parts brushed over.
From the first article:
And in the comments (from the writer):
From the second:
This is actually brought up in the video at around [url=https://youtu.be/_-P9_oUV9Gw?t=14m7s]14:07[/url], where it's shown that at least some of the non-insignificant outrage surrounding the belief that game journalists were calling the game racist or ableist was due to these kinds of articles.
In these instances, it seems like it is very difficult to have a discussion about these kinds of issues without a non-insigificant amount of people being outraged over the mere idea of games they like being considered as an artistic medium and being critiqued the way that art is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they aren't. Hence "misinterpreted to fuck" in my post a bit later. I quite liked those articles myself, they're balanced and carefully worded to create a discussion (at most), not spark an outrage or something like that. I might've worded my thoughts wrong in that particular instance to keep it short, let me just correct that a bit.
[QUOTE=Zyler;52922789]That may be true, but the video doesn't bring up the mass effect review as an example. It discusses a particular instance wherein one person previewed a game at a convention, sucked at it and was very self-depricating about it and then another entirely separate reviewer did the actual review on the website and praised it for its difficulty- which resulted in a collection of people concluding that there was a contingent of evil 'SJW' videogame journalists who are trying to condemn Cuphead as ableist and racist.
Shaun even states in the video that the argument actually being made in the followup article: that DISCUSSES the idea of there being a zeitgeist of 'player skill' in video game critique as being debatable.
The point was that IT WAS a discussion, not a conspiracy by 'SJW' game websites to call videogames racist or ableist. Shaun isnt 'defending' Dean, or anyone for that matter, he's pointing out this phenomenon of chinese whispers that occurs when a person is bad at a game or brings up a discussion about inclusion in video games while presenting both sides of an issue; and then they get lambasted as 'this person who thinks all video games are racist/sexist/ableist/etc."
The fact that there seems to be no nuance on this issue, and that pointing out inconsistencies in the logic of stupid internet people is immediately interpreted as 'defending' the other side, just seems to serve the point of the video that capital-G Gamers will willfully misinterpret stuff that is perceived as going against their identity.
It's like a football team, where pointing out any error in your own teams logic means you must be working for the other team.[/QUOTE]
right, i definitely agree with shaun's points regarding people going out to deliberately fabricate controversy that they can then sell to their followers for views and outrageclicks, but the way he represent's dean is p.much a total whitewash.
he says he's "self-depricatingly good natured about it", but if you go through Dean's followup article, it's pretty obvious that dean is actually insane in a lot of ways
[url]https://venturebeat.com/2017/09/08/the-deanbeat-our-cuphead-runneth-over/[/url]
[quote]"Another game journalist (and some say “shitlord”) saw my video. He clipped it to the 2.5 minutes of the most damning inept gameplay, and he posted it to his followers. He used me to condemn all game journalists, raising the smoldering issues around Gamergate and its focus on game journalism ethics. His post was political propaganda for the disenfranchised gamers, the sort who went from Gamergate to the alt-right and elected Donald Trump as president."[/quote]
the article followup article for me is a complete trainwreck - he claims that it isn't necessary to be skilled at games, and that unskillful gaming is still gaming, but then he goes onto list his "gaming achievements", having just said that isn't necessary?
[quote]You can see me jump over crates (really!) in Knack 2, operate a vehicle in The Crew 2, and navigate Egypt in Assassin’s Creed Origins. I’m not dropping 360noscopes in any of my footage, but all of these should give you confidence that I’ve seen a controller before and know how to use it [/quote]
furthermore, if you take a look at...
[url]https://youtu.be/knTuAEmhtVE?t=486[/url]
there's at least [I]some[/I] evidence floating around that they changed the title after the video from "Cuphead demo at Gamescom: it isn't easy"
like, this title isn't dean being self-depricating, it's him willfully misrepresenting a game due to his own incompetence, as he has been found doing in the past
now: does this mean that the article was him talking about how difficult the game is before venturebeat changed it all? probably not, I can't find anything on archives, but the title in that tweet would be in line with what dean has done before
now, I understand that shaun isn't doing the video on dean, he's talking about the unjustified response to it, but i'd come to like his videos for giving everything a fair shake and a damn good bit of research, but his piece on the actual source of the outrage is an under-researched whitewash
[editline]26th November 2017[/editline]
considering the entire fake outrage was caused by this person, i would have liked shaun to at least touch on the fact that dean had actually done what people were fake-outraging was a problem - we don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and shaun not giving this a fair shake causes further problems where people ignore his later points, for whitewashing earlier ones
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