The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high - General

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52856106]i buy everything over onions, which colors my view i suspect. i'd rather get a batch of crystals i can test and cap myself than leave it to someone else. gives me a greater feeling of control over what i am ingesting and allows me to customize what is in each pill much easier.[/QUOTE] I mean, the same applies to both pills and crystals with regard to DNM. Better prices, quality and user feedback to check on across the board. Plus you can test pills. But yeah, capping yourself is definitely a bonus (I'm too lazy tbh)

[QUOTE=SataniX;52856115]I mean, the same applies to both pills and crystals with regard to DNM. Better prices, quality and user feedback to check on across the board. Plus you can test pills. But yeah, capping yourself is definitely a bonus (I'm too lazy tbh)[/QUOTE] for me, the worry is less about them being cut with shit i don't want and more about the potency of the pills not being quite what was advertised. i'm a huge nerd when it comes to weighing out doses for different body masses and experiences, so i love capping. the few times i've bought it irl the person sold it by "the hit" and didn't know the actual amount of migs in each pill which kind of soured the experience for me (though the stuff was good so it didn't sour it that much) [editline]4th November 2017[/editline] i would get weed in crystals if i could

[QUOTE=SataniX;52856092]Feels like I always end up being the one pointing this out. [b]PSA: It's not 2005 anymore[/b] Crystals are infinitely easier to cut and re-rock than they used to be due to newer RCs, plus there's a flood of cheap, good quality MDMA pills. You should always use a test kit of course, but it's safer to go with a pill you can clearly identify through pill reports & lab tests compared to a generic off-white crystal. [editline]4th November 2017[/editline] Both can be cut fairly easily, $30 is on the expensive side for .2 (I pay ~£12/g for crystal on the rare occasion I buy any, although UK/US prices aren't really comparable). That being said, if he tests it that's good (I'd ask him to test it in front of you, easy enough to use curiosity as an excuse). If you haven't tried it before, [url]http://mollymeasure.com/[/url] for dose suggestions.[/QUOTE] I live in the UK, where there are literally no legal RCs, so there is basically no incentive to do this for Crystal and not pills. Also, there have always been pills that mimic legitimate ones, an example being a common White Mitsubishi fake that contained PMA and resulted in a few deaths. I don't know if you mention 2005 because of my join date, but I didn't take drugs until 2009 and even then it was safer to buy Crystal than pills. I would always suggest that to be maximally safe, one should buy a testing kit, but if not, implying that Crystal MDMA is unsafe whilst pills are okay due to pillreports, as you are doing, is at the very least an exaggeration and at worst woefully misleading. Edit: I am not even saying that crystalline form is somehow foolproof, just to clarify, but I have had at least 20/20 good experiences that way, yet have had about 25% of pills I have bought be shitty despite checking pillreports to try and verify authenticity.

I would say crystals definitely make it harder for your average person in the drug supply chain to alter the product. adding cutting agents to crystals would require some knowledge in chemistry as well as chemistry equipment yeah? I doubt most people in the drug supply chain will know much about that except for the actual chemists making the drugs and I don't see much reason to cut your product when you're already at the top of the chain. as far as I understand, creating drugs is pretty cheap compared to how much product you'll end up with. cutting is usually what the dealers / distributors do, right? pressing pills on the other hand is a much easier affair. all you gotta do is get yourself a pill presser, some binding agent, and the drugs (+ cut if cutting) you want to press.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52856460]I would say crystals definitely make it harder for your average person in the drug supply chain to alter the product. adding cutting agents to crystals would require some knowledge in chemistry as well as chemistry equipment yeah? I doubt most people in the drug supply chain will know much about that except for the actual chemists making the drugs and I don't see much reason to cut your product when you're already at the top of the chain. as far as I understand, creating drugs is pretty cheap compared to how much product you'll end up with. cutting is usually what the dealers / distributors do, right? pressing pills on the other hand is a much easier affair. all you gotta do is get yourself a pill presser, some binding agent, and the drugs (+ cut if cutting) you want to press.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Large crystals also take a while to form, making it a fairly time-consuming process even if one has a lot of chemistry experience. Large crystals are not required, but they are certainly something that leads me to expect good shit, even though it is definitely no guarantee. I also think people who sell rocks of it are used to serving slightly more informed clientele. People who sell pills never seem to know what the fuck they're talking about, in my experience. The thing is, nobody here has said that crystals are perfectly safe, just that we have had better experience with actually getting legitimate MDMA that way. I am simply concerned about your cavalier attitude to pills, Satanix. That's the only reason I am going into this in more detail than is likely necessary. Do what you want to your own body, but emphasising safety when offering advice is important. We don't have to label all risks all the time, but I would never imply that there's any effective way to determine the legitimacy of a substance except an official lab test.

I think LSD just cured my meth addiction. The thought of giving it up no longer depresses me but empowers me, this is crazy. This is not what I expected at all going into it. My deep depression is lifted a little too. What is this drug?

[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52857138]I think LSD just cured my meth addiction. The thought of giving it up no longer depresses me but empowers me, this is crazy. This is not what I expected at all going into it. My deep depression is lifted a little too. What is this drug?[/QUOTE] I have heard that it has been used for this purpose successfully in killing people's alcoholism, so what you say makes perfect sense! Apparently taking it every 6 months was sufficient to help. :)

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;52853766]hell yeah, getting high and jumping on a treadmill for an hour is awesome.[/QUOTE] an hour? i hit like the 30 minute mark ran out of water and lung capacity and left via a window.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52856488] I am simply concerned about your cavalier attitude to pills, Satanix. That's the only reason I am going into this in more detail than is likely necessary. Do what you want to your own body, but emphasising safety when offering advice is important. We don't have to label all risks all the time, but I would never imply that there's any effective way to determine the legitimacy of a substance except an official lab test.[/QUOTE] I'm concerned about the huge amount of misinformation being spewed around this thread. You'll notice I've emphasised time and time again that yes, pills are also cut, and you should test everything. But if you don't have that luxury (you shouldn't really take it at all) but it's safer to get well-known pill (read: look it up on pill reports, saferparty etc.) Counterfeit pills exist, yes, but as PredGD mentioned the cutting usually happens at the dealer/distributor level - who are absolutely not going to be cutting already made pills, are they? Plus it's incredibly hard to accurately counterfeit a pill to the level it's not noticeable. In comparison, it takes less than 24 hours and minimal chemistry skill/equipment to effectively cut an re-rock MDMA. tl;dr Test your shit - but it's much, much easier to identify fake/cut pills than it is cut crystals due to sheer identifiableness. (Not sure that's a word....) [editline]5th November 2017[/editline] This [del]myth[/del] - maybe the wrong word, it was true a while back - about crystals > pills for safety goes back to the MDMA drought between '05 and '09 (if I remember years correctly), since precursors were incredibly hard to get hold of - which resulted in most pills containing BZP or similar. Funnily enough most crystal then was also actually mephedrone but eh. But with the PMK precursor discovery that's no longer a problem.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52857661]I'm concerned about the huge amount of misinformation being spewed around this thread. You'll notice I've emphasised time and time again that yes, pills are also cut, and you should test everything. But if you don't have that luxury (you shouldn't really take it at all) but it's safer to get well-known pill (read: look it up on pill reports, saferparty etc.) Counterfeit pills exist, yes, but as PredGD mentioned the cutting usually happens at the dealer/distributor level - who are absolutely not going to be cutting already made pills, are they? Plus it's incredibly hard to accurately counterfeit a pill to the level it's not noticeable. In comparison, it takes less than 24 hours and minimal chemistry skill/equipment to effectively cut an re-rock MDMA. tl;dr Test your shit - but it's much, much easier to identify fake/cut pills than it is cut crystals due to sheer identifiableness. (Not sure that's a word....) [editline]5th November 2017[/editline] This [del]myth[/del] - maybe the wrong word, it was true a while back - about crystals > pills for safety goes back to the MDMA drought between '05 and '09 (if I remember years correctly), since precursors were incredibly hard to get hold of - which resulted in most pills containing BZP or similar. Funnily enough most crystal then was also actually mephedrone but eh. But with the PMK precursor discovery that's no longer a problem.[/QUOTE] It's true that a lot of stuff then was cut, including crystals, but that was really only because mephedrone at al was cheap, fantastic and legal. I still don't agree that there's really any advantage to pills over Crystal if MDMA is sought, as pills have contained mixes over the years as well, even now, and pressing pills to look like an existing product on the market is surprisingly easy. It is perfectly fine advice to check pillreports, but calling my advice misinformation, implying that this is a rampant problem in the thread, indicates that you have some study demonstrating your opinion, and I doubt that exists. In terms of general misinformation in the thread, it wouldn't surprise me, but in the short time I have been back on a drug thread on FP since the days of the Drugs Discussion subforum, it doesn't seem to be too bad as long as people aren't recommending dangerous stuff like "solvents can be taken safely" or "200mg is a good dosage for 2C-E" etc. My opinion is that crystals have been highly reliable in the many times I have taken MDMA, but I didn't claim it was safe, just safer, so I don't really see what the problem is, even if you were correct, which I don't deny is possible, although I remain unconvinced.

[QUOTE=TimTimTommy;52855934]is MDMA crystal even trustworthy or can that be cut with some shit friend is trying to sell me some $30 for .2gs and said that’s enough to have good time he says he always tests it from the guy he buys from and I buy a bunch of other shit from him too[/QUOTE] I mean for one I know what MDMA crystals look like, even if I don't have a test kit available I'm going to trust pinkish-brown crystals over some random pill every day of the week. $30 for .2 isn't bad, I'd probably do it if I had no other source. [editline]5th November 2017[/editline] forgot about pillreports, that does make it a bit less sketchy but I prefer crystals, personally. Test everything and there won't a problem in the first place

I have probably read at least 350 erowid experiences over the years, and I almost always find that if a drug is sold as something it is not in others' reports, as well as my own experiences, it tends to either be masquerading as Ecstasy pills or LSD blotters, the latter sometimes being 25i-NBOMe or even BromoDragonfly (please nobody ever try THAT one, not that it really exists anymore.) I have never had a bad LSD blotter and they are normally quite reliable, but there are more reports than one would expect abou5 dodgy blotters. Thank fuck for the Psychoactive Substances Act sometimes, as it has actually lead to better quality drugs in the UK scene, although I admit that I do very much miss the many RCs one could buy until 2016.

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;52844175]Shroom trip last night helped me see that I'm done with excuses. Time to stop pitying myself and lazing around, my life's only gonna get better if I MAKE it better. To this end I'm doing something kind of corny, I call it "No-excuses November". Gonna write a list of goals and hold myself to 'em. If I fail, I'm gonna sell my tickets to the concert I'm going to at the end of the month. I'm pretty excited to say the least.[/QUOTE] Update on this, first week went well, I ended up making a spreadsheet and everything. It's a great start for sure, I really recommend anyone who is struggling to stick to a regimen or make meaningful improvements to take a minute and not only write your goals down but mark when you've made progress. I know I'm only a week in but I can already tell it's done wonders for me in terms of motivation. Life really is what you make of it.

that snapchat outage made buying drugs really inconvenient... again

fucking dealer got raided again, someone said they were dealing meth and the cops got a warrant and raided them this morning. old mates only 18 too and he could be facing jail time because they already raided him before. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] fucking just when he said he could get us acid whenever we wanted

i bought weed from a friend and we smoked it

I'm supposed to get some Amnesia Haze this week, except I don't know when and all I have is some light brown vaped bud to fill up two bowls. Being dankrupt sucks

[QUOTE=Booker K;52865157]Been filling out job apps and finally getting some interviews rolling. I found out the other day I'm able to get access to weed from a friend since he drives down to Oregon for his and would be willing to let me buy off him. Once I get paychecks coming in I'm probably gonna start off with Indica and fix my sleeping schedule, insomnia has got to the worst of me since I quit Melatonin.[/QUOTE] careful about using weed to sort out your sleeping, I've fallen in that trap numerous times already. once the weed helps you sleep, it becomes even more difficult to sleep without it I've found

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52857721]It's true that a lot of stuff then was cut, including crystals, but that was really only because mephedrone at al was cheap, fantastic and legal. [/quote] Yes - and a similar situation (although less extreme due to better MDMA availability) now exists with newer RCs that have come out and are cheaper than MDMA. 4CEC, 4CMC for example are both cathinones that can both be bought in bulk at <£5/g and re-rocked with MDMA to form crystals visually identical to pure MDMA. [quote] I still don't agree that there's really any advantage to pills over Crystal if MDMA is sought, as pills have contained mixes over the years as well, even now, and pressing pills to look like an existing product on the market is surprisingly easy.[/quote] I don't disagree about the past, but I disagree that it's the same today. It's much easier to cut and re-rock crystal than it is to duplicate a good pill. In terms of realistic data, just look at this summer's substance analyses. [url=http://checkit.wien/media/checkit_Warnungen_0717.pdf]July 1[/url] [url=http://checkit.wien/media/checkit_Warnungen_0717_Teil-2.pdf]July 2[/url] [url=http://checkit.wien/media/checkit_Warnungen_0617.pdf]June[/url] Last I checked there has also been 0 successful attempts at making any vaguely realistic copies of recent quality pills (i.e. Q-Dance pills [url=http://78.media.tumblr.com/1ee959aaf63989c88a220ec1453ed640/tumblr_ohh3kzvhaP1r9aanao1_1280.png]1[/url] [url=http://78.media.tumblr.com/f073fcf0477c01e3c6ff131a97e0c419/tumblr_ofxfmuaro91smghnuo1_1280.jpg]2[/url]) because of recent advances in pressing. [quote] It is perfectly fine advice to check pillreports, but calling my advice misinformation, implying that this is a rampant problem in the thread, indicates that you have some study demonstrating your opinion, and I doubt that exists. My opinion is that crystals have been highly reliable in the many times I have taken MDMA, but I didn't claim it was safe, just safer, so I don't really see what the problem is, even if you were correct, which I don't deny is possible, although I remain unconvinced.[/QUOTE] Mostly a kneejerk reaction to this, apologies :v: [quote]I am simply concerned about your cavalier attitude to pills, Satanix.[/quote] [quote]In terms of general misinformation in the thread, it wouldn't surprise me, but in the short time I have been back on a drug thread on FP since the days of the Drugs Discussion subforum, it doesn't seem to be too bad as long as people aren't recommending dangerous stuff like "solvents can be taken safely" or "200mg is a good dosage for 2C-E" etc.[/quote] Christ, I hope not. Atleast the MDMA argument has a fair bit of nuance to it.

crazy tuesday so far. now, I didn't sleep last night since me and my SO decided to play Terraria all night and hey, it's a dumb idea to call it a night when it's 9am you know? I took some amphetamine to keep me alert and awake, thinking it'd just be a lazy tuesday. about 1-2 hours after taking it, I heard a car drive up outside the house. for some reason I got this compulsive need to check out who this was since I felt it was trouble. I kinda figured it was the lack of sleep, the weed I had earlier and the amphetamine giving me some sort of paranoia but I had to check it out anyway just to be sure. so I walked over to the kitchen, grabbed the curtains lightly and peeked through. a quick glance later, I realize it's my moms car. she never gives me any surprise visits, ever. I went over to tell my SO that my mom was most likely outside and we both start silently freaking out. all I could think to myself is that she can't know I'm doing drugs, let alone that I was high af at that very moment. the last and only time I've been caught, it was as if the entire family was mourning, my grandma couldn't look at me without crying, my dad got so disappointed he didn't want to talk to me for months and my mom couldn't stop worrying and thinking about it. she started knocking on the kitchen window and mashing my door bell over and over. at that point all I could think about was that I had to hide, right away. I turned my monitors off, motioned for my SO to do the same and we just sat there in silence. the ringing and the knocking wouldn't end. my SO motioned me over to bed (living room and bedroom in one room) and started covering us up, with a blanket on top of us and a stacked tower of pillows behind our heads so we weren't visible from the windows. just a minute or two later, she starts knocking like crazy on the god damn living room windows. this kept going on for an hour, constantly alternating between walking into the yard to peek and knock, and literally spamming my doorbell. eventually she left but man that was intense. the odds of this happening are so small I'm surprised it even happened. of course she had to give me the most sketchy surprise visit I've ever witnessed on one of the rare days I take amphetamine while sleep deprived. the paranoia man

[QUOTE=PredGD;52865452]crazy tuesday so far. now, I didn't sleep last night since me and my SO decided to play Terraria all night and hey, it's a dumb idea to call it a night when it's 9am you know? I took some amphetamine to keep me alert and awake, thinking it'd just be a lazy tuesday. about 1-2 hours after taking it, I heard a car drive up outside the house. for some reason I got this compulsive need to check out who this was since I felt it was trouble. I kinda figured it was the lack of sleep, the weed I had earlier and the amphetamine giving me some sort of paranoia but I had to check it out anyway just to be sure. so I walked over to the kitchen, grabbed the curtains lightly and peeked through. a quick glance later, I realize it's my moms car. she never gives me any surprise visits, ever. I went over to tell my SO that my mom was most likely outside and we both start silently freaking out. all I could think to myself is that she can't know I'm doing drugs, let alone that I was high af at that very moment. the last and only time I've been caught, it was as if the entire family was mourning, my grandma couldn't look at me without crying, my dad got so disappointed he didn't want to talk to me for months and my mom couldn't stop worrying and thinking about it. she started knocking on the kitchen window and mashing my door bell over and over. at that point all I could think about was that I had to hide, right away. I turned my monitors off, motioned for my SO to do the same and we just sat there in silence. the ringing and the knocking wouldn't end. my SO motioned me over to bed (living room and bedroom in one room) and started covering us up, with a blanket on top of us and a stacked tower of pillows behind our heads so we weren't visible from the windows. just a minute or two later, she starts knocking like crazy on the god damn living room windows. this kept going on for an hour, constantly alternating between walking into the yard to peek and knock, and literally spamming my doorbell. eventually she left but man that was intense. the odds of this happening are so small I'm surprised it even happened. of course she had to give me the most sketchy surprise visit I've ever witnessed on one of the rare days I take amphetamine while sleep deprived. the paranoia man[/QUOTE] Damn, I'd have been 50/50 whether that was stim psychosis or not too.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52865452]crazy tuesday so far. now, I didn't sleep last night since me and my SO decided to play Terraria all night and hey, it's a dumb idea to call it a night when it's 9am you know? I took some amphetamine to keep me alert and awake, thinking it'd just be a lazy tuesday. about 1-2 hours after taking it, I heard a car drive up outside the house. for some reason I got this compulsive need to check out who this was since I felt it was trouble. I kinda figured it was the lack of sleep, the weed I had earlier and the amphetamine giving me some sort of paranoia but I had to check it out anyway just to be sure. so I walked over to the kitchen, grabbed the curtains lightly and peeked through. a quick glance later, I realize it's my moms car. she never gives me any surprise visits, ever. I went over to tell my SO that my mom was most likely outside and we both start silently freaking out. all I could think to myself is that she can't know I'm doing drugs, let alone that I was high af at that very moment. the last and only time I've been caught, it was as if the entire family was mourning, my grandma couldn't look at me without crying, my dad got so disappointed he didn't want to talk to me for months and my mom couldn't stop worrying and thinking about it. she started knocking on the kitchen window and mashing my door bell over and over. at that point all I could think about was that I had to hide, right away. I turned my monitors off, motioned for my SO to do the same and we just sat there in silence. the ringing and the knocking wouldn't end. my SO motioned me over to bed (living room and bedroom in one room) and started covering us up, with a blanket on top of us and a stacked tower of pillows behind our heads so we weren't visible from the windows. just a minute or two later, she starts knocking like crazy on the god damn living room windows. this kept going on for an hour, constantly alternating between walking into the yard to peek and knock, and literally spamming my doorbell. eventually she left but man that was intense. the odds of this happening are so small I'm surprised it even happened. of course she had to give me the most sketchy surprise visit I've ever witnessed on one of the rare days I take amphetamine while sleep deprived. the paranoia man[/QUOTE] Dude, never take amphetamine when sleep deprived, seriously! It is a fun drug, and useful too, but psychosis is very real and can rear its ugly head out of nowhere. I have to say, it could even be possible that none of that happened at all, but if you experienced no other hallucinations, it probably did happen. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SataniX;52865290]Yes - and a similar situation (although less extreme due to better MDMA availability) now exists with newer RCs that have come out and are cheaper than MDMA. 4CEC, 4CMC for example are both cathinones that can both be bought in bulk at <£5/g and re-rocked with MDMA to form crystals visually identical to pure MDMA. I don't disagree about the past, but I disagree that it's the same today. It's much easier to cut and re-rock crystal than it is to duplicate a good pill. In terms of realistic data, just look at this summer's substance analyses. [url=http://checkit.wien/media/checkit_Warnungen_0717.pdf]July 1[/url] [url=http://checkit.wien/media/checkit_Warnungen_0717_Teil-2.pdf]July 2[/url] [url=http://checkit.wien/media/checkit_Warnungen_0617.pdf]June[/url] Last I checked there has also been 0 successful attempts at making any vaguely realistic copies of recent quality pills (i.e. Q-Dance pills [url=http://78.media.tumblr.com/1ee959aaf63989c88a220ec1453ed640/tumblr_ohh3kzvhaP1r9aanao1_1280.png]1[/url] [url=http://78.media.tumblr.com/f073fcf0477c01e3c6ff131a97e0c419/tumblr_ofxfmuaro91smghnuo1_1280.jpg]2[/url]) because of recent advances in pressing. Mostly a kneejerk reaction to this, apologies :v: Christ, I hope not. Atleast the MDMA argument has a fair bit of nuance to it.[/QUOTE] I appreciate the good-natured reply. I can certainly see your point and I don't really consider you wrong or at all ill-informed, so it may just be my break from this scene that has led to me having wrong information. :) I thought the Psychoactive Substances Act made any drug that has an effect on the brain illegal? Dumb as fuck law, granted, but surely cathinones are highly illegal, especially due to 4-MMC all those years ago? I may have to look into getting some, assuming it isn't hard to get hold of, heh!

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52865998] I thought the Psychoactive Substances Act made any drug that has an effect on the brain illegal? Dumb as fuck law, granted, but surely cathinones are highly illegal, especially due to 4-MMC all those years ago? I may have to look into getting some, assuming it isn't hard to get hold of, heh![/QUOTE] Oh most definitely, it's more illegal than it used to be. But it's still easy as fuck to get hold of, and I guess legality doesn't matter that much if you're intending to sell it as MDMA anyway. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] Cathinones vary a lot nowadays though, 4-MMC itself is pretty hard to get hold of I believe.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52866065]Oh most definitely, it's more illegal than it used to be. But it's still easy as fuck to get hold of, and I guess legality doesn't matter that much if you're intending to sell it as MDMA anyway. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] Cathinones vary a lot nowadays though, 4-MMC itself is pretty hard to get hold of I believe.[/QUOTE] I am guessing the dark web is the required route to get any cathinones in the UK? I did look into buying stuff on there, but buying Bitcoin is such a pain as it is so shady and nobody accepts card to buy coins. I'm not sure if anybody else loves M83 like I do, but whenever I listen to their music ALL I can think about is drugs and how I miss them, heh. Both because I listened to this band a lot when I took mephedrone and Mandy, but also because the music really emotivates me the same way.

Had some really nice weed today. Jamaican shit, really dense and dark coloured, very herb-y. Smokes nice

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52866111]I am guessing the dark web is the required route to get any cathinones in the UK? I did look into buying stuff on there, but buying Bitcoin is such a pain as it is so shady and nobody accepts card to buy coins. I'm not sure if anybody else loves M83 like I do, but whenever I listen to their music ALL I can think about is drugs and how I miss them, heh. Both because I listened to this band a lot when I took mephedrone and Mandy, but also because the music really emotivates me the same way.[/QUOTE] M83 is the bomb dude! For RCs there's the DNMs yeah, but there's also a couple clearnet sources (which typically supply said DNM vendors) based in Spain (legal there afaik). Still bitcoin though.

[QUOTE=lope;52851491]Have ya'll tried poppy tea?[/QUOTE] I've had fresh and dried poppy pod tea. It's pretty great but it tastes like absolute ass, especially dried. It's also really hard to gauge your dose as you never really know how potent your pods are until you try them. Poppy seed tea is even more difficult to dose because you'll literally never know exactly how potent your seeds are. I'm not going to recommend doses for this reason as well as the fact that my pods were really small, so I needed a lot of them. Start low and work your way up, as usual. In terms of effects, it's pretty amazing. It has more to the high than just morphine and codeine mixed together. It feels slightly stimulating in a weird, opiate-like way. Doing it with friends caused a lot of laughter, joking around and surprisingly engaging conversation, which I find really odd for an opiate/opioid. Normally people are boring on opioids. Higher doses are slightly hallucinogenic, with colors brightening and slight breathing of walls and whatnot as well as everything looking slightly sparkly. It honestly feels more euphoric than morphine, which I always kind of found boring. The best thing about it for me is the long duration. It lasts about 10-12 hours for me which is a huge plus, though I'm a lightweight so it might not work as long for you. Don't be one of those people that thinks it's somehow less addictive than other opioids just because it's natural, though. It's just as addictive as any other opioid. Also it can be really nauseating and will make you itchy as fuck, particularly in the face and genitalia, so be careful not to scratch your balls then rub your face :v: [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SataniX;52857661]I'm concerned about the huge amount of misinformation being spewed around this thread. You'll notice I've emphasised time and time again that yes, pills are also cut, and you should test everything. But if you don't have that luxury (you shouldn't really take it at all) but it's safer to get well-known pill (read: look it up on pill reports, saferparty etc.)[/QUOTE] If you can afford to do drugs, you can afford a $60 test kit that'll last for like a hundred or more tests. While you might give yourself a small safety net if you only buy well-known pills, counterfeits still happen somewhat often and it isn't the best harm reduction advice to tell people that it's safe to buy well known pills without testing them. If you're going to do drugs that aren't cannabis, you need a test kit, and if you can't afford one, then what the hell are you doing blowing your apparently scant earnings on drugs?

did a pcp analogue and didn't eat someone's face! honestly very proud of myself [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] anyone know how to hole on this stuff? it's not your typical dissoc, this one didn't cup my nuts at all. Had an edge to it, and felt weirdly emotionally honest. Also the nature of the visuals was spinning? That's a new one for me.

[QUOTE=so;52867610]did a pcp analogue and didn't eat someone's face! honestly very proud of myself [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] anyone know how to hole on this stuff? it's not your typical dissoc, this one didn't cup my nuts at all. Had an edge to it, and felt weirdly emotionally honest. Also the nature of the visuals was spinning? That's a new one for me.[/QUOTE] which analogue, the answer can change depending on what it is

[QUOTE=SataniX;52865626]Damn, I'd have been 50/50 whether that was stim psychosis or not too.[/QUOTE] He was up for one day and took one dose of amphetamine, there's no way it was stim psychosis. There's a 100% chance it actually happened. Especially if their SO also heard it. If you get full on, realistic hallucinations and strong audio hallucinations from just that then you might be schizophrenic. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=so;52867610]did a pcp analogue and didn't eat someone's face! honestly very proud of myself [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] anyone know how to hole on this stuff? it's not your typical dissoc, this one didn't cup my nuts at all. Had an edge to it, and felt weirdly emotionally honest. Also the nature of the visuals was spinning? That's a new one for me.[/QUOTE] 3-MEO-PCP? Don't try to hole on it. I repeat, don't try to hole on it. You can't hole on it, you'll just end up manic and really uncomfortable. The potency of the drug makes it really difficult to hit a point where one is holing and the stimulation grows faster than the anesthetic effects, which makes holing almost impossible. It's also not that euphoric at high doses, it can even be dysphoric. But yeah, which PCP analogue? There are a bunch of them. I love 3-MEO-PCP, myself. It's one of my favorite drugs, but you have to treat it with respect or it will kick your ass. You're not going to go psychotic unless you mix it with other drugs or massively overdose or binge on it for days, but it can get very dysphoric and uncomfortable at high doses. All the horror stories you hear about 3-MEO-PCP as well as PCP are from people mixing it with other drugs, binging on it for days (usually without sleeping) or massively overdosing. PCP gets a bad rap mainly because of the media. Instances of psychotic episodes are extremely rare and only happen when people massively overdose or mix it with other drugs (benzos are common as they make people compulsively redose and black out, alcohol will do the same, and stimulants potentiate the living shit out of it). It's no more dangerous than alcohol as long as you know your doses and use basic harm reduction. Though I feel like mentioning that 3-MEO-PCP and PCP are very different drugs despite their structural similarities. I've never done PCP but everyone I've talked to whose done both says they are completely different. 3-MEO also has a different metabolic pathway and it has a different binding profile. With 3-MEO-PCP, as long as you measure out your doses accurately (volumetric dosing is a must), don't mix it with ANYTHING except cannabis (though cannabis potentiates the shit out of it), keep into account that it takes a very long time to kick in completely and make sure to wait 1-2 hours before redosing, and don't try to hole on it, you'll be perfectly fine. Also don't do it daily. Don't go over 20mg if you have no tolerance. The dose-response curve is very steep at 10-20mg. 15mg is where it starts to get extremely intense, but again you won't be holing. Also, doses stack a lot with this drug. Meaning if you take 10mg, wait for it to wear off (it lasts 5-7 hours with an afterglow that can last about 12 hours), then take another 10mg, you won't get the same effects as the first dose, it'll be more like 20mg. Keep this into account and lower your redoses. Don't take more in a day than you would feel comfortable taking all at once. Sorry about the long post, it just pains me seeing people thinking they can treat 3-MEO-PCP like Ketamine or any other dissociative and wind up fucking themselves over by redosing it too much, dosing too high, or mixing it with something stupid then blame the drug when in reality they were the ones that fucked themselves over by being irresponsible. If you have any questions, I have a lot of experience with 3-MEO and I'd be happy to answer them.