The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high - General

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52867638]3-MEO-PCP? Don't try to hole on it. I repeat, don't try to hole on it. You can't hole on it, you'll just end up manic and really uncomfortable. The potency of the drug makes it really difficult to hit a point where one is holing and the stimulation grows faster than the anesthetic effects, which makes holing almost impossible. It's also not that euphoric at high doses, it can even be dysphoric. But yeah, which PCP analogue? There are a bunch of them. I love 3-MEO-PCP, myself. It's one of my favorite drugs, but you have to treat it with respect or it will kick your ass. You're not going to go psychotic unless you mix it with other drugs or massively overdose or binge on it for days, but it can get very dysphoric and uncomfortable at high doses. All the horror stories you hear about 3-MEO-PCP as well as PCP are from people mixing it with other drugs, binging on it for days (usually without sleeping) or massively overdosing. PCP gets a bad rap mainly because of the media. Instances of psychotic episodes are extremely rare and only happen when people massively overdose or mix it with other drugs (benzos are common as they make people compulsively redose and black out, alcohol will do the same, and stimulants potentiate the living shit out of it). It's no more dangerous than alcohol as long as you know your doses and use basic harm reduction. Though I feel like mentioning that 3-MEO-PCP and PCP are very different drugs despite their structural similarities. I've never done PCP but everyone I've talked to whose done both says they are completely different. 3-MEO also has a different metabolic pathway and it has a different binding profile. With 3-MEO-PCP, as long as you measure out your doses accurately (volumetric dosing is a must), don't mix it with ANYTHING except cannabis (though cannabis potentiates the shit out of it), keep into account that it takes a very long time to kick in completely and make sure to wait 1-2 hours before redosing, and don't try to hole on it, you'll be perfectly fine. Also don't do it daily. Don't go over 20mg if you have no tolerance. The dose-response curve is very steep at 10-20mg. 15mg is where it starts to get extremely intense, but again you won't be holing. Also, doses stack a lot with this drug. Meaning if you take 10mg, wait for it to wear off (it lasts 5-7 hours with an afterglow that can last about 12 hours), then take another 10mg, you won't get the same effects as the first dose, it'll be more like 20mg. Keep this into account and lower your redoses. Don't take more in a day than you would feel comfortable taking all at once. Sorry about the long post, it just pains me seeing people thinking they can treat 3-MEO-PCP like Ketamine or any other dissociative and wind up fucking themselves over by redosing it too much, dosing too high, or mixing it with something stupid then blame the drug when in reality they were the ones that fucked themselves over by being irresponsible. If you have any questions, I have a lot of experience with 3-MEO and I'd be happy to answer them.[/QUOTE] No I appreciate it. I've read enough to be exceedingly careful about the mania stuff but qualitatively I know very little. I usually go into dissociative experiences looking for a hole, but this was much more therapeutic even in the earlier states. I don't quite know how to use it best. What do you like to do on it? I've considered doing a tiny amount in a public setting, but even phenibut makes me overconfident to the point where I regret my actions the next day. Gotta have the self control to avoid social media. Already I like this one a lot. What are your visuals like? I'm a purist with dissociatives, but I read about weed potentiating it to the cusp of a hole type experience. I enjoyed it, but the visuals were kinda weird. Figured it might be the weed Also always glad to see oldies dropping test kit knowledge. I had an account here wayy back in the day, but have forgotten it.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52867638]He was up for one day and took one dose of amphetamine, there's no way it was stim psychosis. There's a 100% chance it actually happened. Especially if their SO also heard it. If you get full on, realistic hallucinations and strong audio hallucinations from just that then you might be schizophrenic. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] 3-MEO-PCP? Don't try to hole on it. I repeat, don't try to hole on it. You can't hole on it, you'll just end up manic and really uncomfortable. The potency of the drug makes it really difficult to hit a point where one is holing and the stimulation grows faster than the anesthetic effects, which makes holing almost impossible. It's also not that euphoric at high doses, it can even be dysphoric. But yeah, which PCP analogue? There are a bunch of them. I love 3-MEO-PCP, myself. It's one of my favorite drugs, but you have to treat it with respect or it will kick your ass. You're not going to go psychotic unless you mix it with other drugs or massively overdose or binge on it for days, but it can get very dysphoric and uncomfortable at high doses. All the horror stories you hear about 3-MEO-PCP as well as PCP are from people mixing it with other drugs, binging on it for days (usually without sleeping) or massively overdosing. PCP gets a bad rap mainly because of the media. Instances of psychotic episodes are extremely rare and only happen when people massively overdose or mix it with other drugs (benzos are common as they make people compulsively redose and black out, alcohol will do the same, and stimulants potentiate the living shit out of it). It's no more dangerous than alcohol as long as you know your doses and use basic harm reduction. Though I feel like mentioning that 3-MEO-PCP and PCP are very different drugs despite their structural similarities. I've never done PCP but everyone I've talked to whose done both says they are completely different. 3-MEO also has a different metabolic pathway and it has a different binding profile. With 3-MEO-PCP, as long as you measure out your doses accurately (volumetric dosing is a must), don't mix it with ANYTHING except cannabis (though cannabis potentiates the shit out of it), keep into account that it takes a very long time to kick in completely and make sure to wait 1-2 hours before redosing, and don't try to hole on it, you'll be perfectly fine. Also don't do it daily. Don't go over 20mg if you have no tolerance. The dose-response curve is very steep at 10-20mg. 15mg is where it starts to get extremely intense, but again you won't be holing. Also, doses stack a lot with this drug. Meaning if you take 10mg, wait for it to wear off (it lasts 5-7 hours with an afterglow that can last about 12 hours), then take another 10mg, you won't get the same effects as the first dose, it'll be more like 20mg. Keep this into account and lower your redoses. Don't take more in a day than you would feel comfortable taking all at once. Sorry about the long post, it just pains me seeing people thinking they can treat 3-MEO-PCP like Ketamine or any other dissociative and wind up fucking themselves over by redosing it too much, dosing too high, or mixing it with something stupid then blame the drug when in reality they were the ones that fucked themselves over by being irresponsible. If you have any questions, I have a lot of experience with 3-MEO and I'd be happy to answer them.[/QUOTE] Fuck, I remember when I was the resident Drugs Discussion fountain of knowledge. No longer is that the case, for sure! I have been so out of the game for years anyway, so some of my knowledge is regarding antiquated drugs. I will have to keep an eye out for your posts in the future, as I am glad to see somebody taking harm reduction so seriously. :)

[QUOTE=so;52867769]No I appreciate it. I've read enough to be exceedingly careful about the mania stuff but qualitatively I know very little. I usually go into dissociative experiences looking for a hole, but this was much more therapeutic even in the earlier states. I don't quite know how to use it best. What do you like to do on it? [/quote] I prefer it at functional doses, enough to feel a good amount of dissociation and euphoria but not enough to really impair me, though sometimes I push it beyond functional doses as long as I know I don't have anything to do for the rest of the day. I enjoy social interaction with friends on it, it tends to make me talkative but not in a traditional stimulant way, conversation just seems to flow easily. I [I]LOVE[/I] playing music on it, the hypomania tends to make me want to play really fast and frailing the banjo is really fun, as well as playing the loudest, most ridiculous metal I can come up with. Going on walks out in the woods is a lot of fun as movement feels fluid and fun and the spatial distortions make everything look interesting, the headspace also makes me really appreciate nature more than I normally do. I like to draw on it, I've drawn some really trippy stuff on it (as well as hentai :v:). Pretty much anything that requires creativity is a lot of fun on 3-MEO-PCP as it boosts creativity by a good bit. Besides that, video games are amazing on it. You kind of lose yourself and really get into the game. Movies are similar but I like the interactivity of video games, it makes it feel more like you're engrossed in the experience. Listening to music is also great fun on it as it has a good bit of music euphoria. [QUOTE=so;52867769]I've considered doing a tiny amount in a public setting, but even phenibut makes me overconfident to the point where I regret my actions the next day. Gotta have the self control to avoid social media. [/QUOTE] If you're going to do it in public stick to 5mg or less at first and only do it after you've tried it enough times to know how you react to a variety of different doses and are confident that the dose you're taking isn't going to make you noticeably hypomanic and doesn't severely affect your speech. Preferably do it somewhere where you won't have to talk to people who don't know you're high or do it with people who won't mind. It has a tendency to impair your speech in such a way that you won't notice, but it's fairly obvious to other people. It can make you extremely open and it does lower your inhibitions but I've never felt out of control on it. I have said some really embarrassing things to people on Facebook, though. I hit on a girl I've been friends with for a while and ended up just rambling like a maniac :v: Reeaaally regret that, but nothing bad came of it. I just told her I was drunk. It's probably one of the best dissociatives to take in public, though, as it doesn't affect your ability to walk until you get to extremely high doses. Just keep in mind that it can give you delusions of sobriety, where you're actually way higher than you realize you are. [QUOTE=so;52867769]Already I like this one a lot. What are your visuals like? I'm a purist with dissociatives, but I read about weed potentiating it to the cusp of a hole type experience. I enjoyed it, but the visuals were kinda weird. Figured it might be the weed[/QUOTE] Yeah it's a great dissociative, you just have to treat it with respect. The visuals are mostly CEV's like bizarre, surrealistic cartoons and elaborate, surprisingly realistic scenery. Unlike most dissociatives the CEV's are more cartoony and less realistic and surprisingly colorful. If you've ever seen Beavis and Butthead do America, the scene where they eat shit covered in mushrooms (or was it Peyote? I can't remember) and start tripping absolute balls, the CEV's remind me a lot of that scene. Weed does tend to make them stronger and weirder, though, in my experience. Don't expect strong OEV's unless you're in pitch black, which is where they begin to take on an intensity similar to the CEV's. At higher doses I have gotten shifting colors and some breathing while in the light, but that's the most of it. There are spatial distortions where things look farther or closer than they really are, and you feel smaller or bigger than you are. Whenever I sleep on it I end up feeling like I'm flying around on my bed, complete with scenery that I'm flying over, or I'll feel like my bed is floating on the ocean. I often have control over these hallucinations and can influence what I'm feeling and seeing. Again though you have to be in complete darkness. At higher doses (uncomfortably higher doses, unfortunately), my body will almost completely disappear and I'll feel like a stick figure that's impossibly thin. I'll also feel like my limbs are being cut off and flying away, but I can still feel them, which is actually rather uncomfortable and weird. If you want to kick the visuals in, smoke some weed and lay down in bed with some music going and make sure you're in complete darkness and then try to sleep. You won't be able to sleep real easily but something about trying to sleep in the dark while on it makes the dissociation kick in stronger. I've gone to bed almost sober before only to suddenly start tripping again, feeling like I'm skydiving in my own bed. It's not a hole though, I'm still completely aware of everything and could get up and act almost sober. Again, high doses aren't recommended. This isn't a dissociative you want to try chasing a hole on. At most just add some weed to a normal dose if you want it to be more intensely dissociating. You have to slowly work your way up to your sweet spot once you find it and don't bother taking it any further. At the right dose I get extremely intense music euphoria that feels like the music is vibrating through my body, interesting CEV's, talkative, and all kinds of bizarre, interesting ideas. [QUOTE=so;52867769]Also always glad to see oldies dropping test kit knowledge. I had an account here wayy back in the day, but have forgotten it.[/QUOTE] I'm all about harm reduction, man. If I can save even one person from dying, overdosing or even just a trip to the hospital, I've done my job. Knowledge is power, brother :) Speaking of which, get some Noopept. It's a nootropic that's taken to improve cognition, recall and control anxiety. More importantly for dissociative users, it's an NMDA agonist, which will completely negate the effect of NMDA antagonist dissociatives. I've been too high on 3-MEO-PCP once after doing a bunch of dabs, took about 10mg and within ten minutes I was completely sober. It's also super cheap, especially considering the effective dose is 10-20mg. If you do long lasting dissociatives, or really if you do dissociatives at all, I highly recommend you get some: [url]http://nootropicsdepot.com/noopept/[/url] Don't make a habit of doing that often, though. I just keep it around for emergencies, where I feel like I NEED to be sober or I'm going to have a panic attack or something. I cannot speak for the safety of fucking with your NMDA receptors that much, it probably isn't a good idea, but if you're in a situation where you absolutely cannot be dissociated anymore, it's perfect.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52867885] -snip- [/quote] I agree with you on how movies are very immersive when on dissociatives. In the thread I wrote years ago of my experience with methoxetamine (you can find it if you search my name as I don't make many threads), I commented on how the TV felt like a window to a world where the events transpiring were really happening. Wouldn't that NMDA agonist only work if it has a higher affinity than the antagonist? I know naxolone works so well for opioid toxicity partly due to its high affinity for the mu-opioid receptor, so am curious. I have always found it quirky that dissociatives are one of the few recreational drug classes that antagonize, not agonise a receptor.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52867908]I agree with you on how movies are very immersive when on dissociatives. In the thread I wrote years ago of my experience with methoxetamine (you can find it if you search my name as I don't make many threads), I commented on how the TV felt like a window to a world where the events transpiring were really happening. Wouldn't that NMDA agonist only work if it has a higher affinity than the antagonist? I know naxolone works so well for opioid toxicity partly due to its high affinity for the mu-opioid receptor, so am curious. I have always found it quirky that dissociatives are one of the few recreational drug classes that antagonize, not agonise a receptor.[/QUOTE] Fuck me, I can't even begin to describe some of the bizarre experiences I've had holing on MXE playing video games, watching TV and especially just sitting in pitch black and listening to music. I've traveled to other worlds just sitting in a couch in my friend's basement with the lights off. God fucking damnit I miss MXE :((((( And I do believe Noopept has a higher affinity than most NMDA antagonists. 3-MEO-PCP has an extremely high affinity for the NMDA receptor, higher than MXE and Ketamine and similar to PCP, so if it's enough to kill a 3-MEO-PCP trip, it's probably going to be enough for any other dissociative.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52867885]long solid 3 meo advice[/QUOTE] [visuals] Wow totally. This one was straight to cartoon-land for me. I saw Tim Burton type stuff, and having my last experience be DCK it was very unexpected. [supplement] Wow noopept is really good to know about. Those are three things I worry about when I do too many dissos. My friend had a terrible ketamine addiction and could barely string together sentences in the worst of it. Also having it on hand for 3 meo makes a lot of sense. [activities] Ah fuck, this one sounds fun to do casually. I'll have to be twice as careful with it. It's funny I'm probably too forthcoming about my life; 3 meo told me to set some boundaries. [harm reduction] Haha good advice is the only thing stopping kids from rolling every weekend. But 4 srs saves lives all the time [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] Ah man y'all make me miss MXE. I was first doing it when Hotline Miami came out. Too good. Make MXE cheap again

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52867934]Fuck me, I can't even begin to describe some of the bizarre experiences I've had holing on MXE playing video games, watching TV and especially just sitting in pitch black and listening to music. I've traveled to other worlds just sitting in a couch in my friend's basement with the lights off. God fucking damnit I miss MXE :((((( And I do believe it has a higher affinity than most NMDA antagonists. 3-MEO-PCP has an extremely high affinity for the NMDA receptor, higher than MXE and Ketamine and similar to PCP, so if it's enough to kill a 3-MEO-PCP trip, it's probably going to be enough for any other dissociative.[/QUOTE] MXE was the dog's bollocks man, you're right. I couldn't move for 3 hours once when I took a little too much. :p Also, there are no bladder problems to worry about like with ketamine because that was caused by the norketamine metabolite.

i miss MXE like i would miss an old lover [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] DCK ain't the same. i like it too but it doesn't have that same magic that MXE did. doesn't taste as good, either

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52867982]i miss MXE like i would miss an old lover [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] DCK ain't the same. i like it too but it doesn't have that same magic that MXE did. doesn't taste as good, either[/QUOTE] Could you quickly explain DCK to me? I have not been paying attention to the RC market's evolution in a couple of years.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52868008]Could you quickly explain DCK to me? I have not been paying attention to the RC market's evolution in a couple of years.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Deschloroketamine"]deschloroketamine[/URL], pretty similar to MXE in effects. some say it is more sedating than MXE is but I haven't really experienced that. it doesn't have quite the same euphoric feeling as MXE did for me, and i've had a harder time getting to the hole with it. maybe that comes from a combination of tolerance and the chemical itself. i still enjoy it, i can become completely immersed in music with it. i honestly mostly use it for the anti-anxiety and anti-depressant effects. to anthropomorphize it some, it feels masculine while MXE felt almost feminine to me, if that makes any sense. [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] i'd say give it a shot, see how you like it. it isn't super expensive when taking dose levels into consideration. sadly we probably will never get back to those $30 for 3.5 grams of MXE heyday, but it is still fun enough to try and does an okay job at scratching that MXE itch

I would be very interested in it if the UK hadn't killed that market outright. Man, I wish there was a simple way to buy Bitcoin so I could get all kinds of fun drugs online. :p

While I have relied on DCK to get my disso fix in a drought, I couldn't recommend it in good conscience. I used it orally, and liked it because the hole lasted for a really long time, but it always felt dirty compared to Ketamine and MXE. Mostly because of the absorption rate. I could never sleep for hours after I would take it, and wake up and still be dissociated. I was wary about my friend driving home in the morning because the distance between myself and the stop light was variable as I walked up to it. It's tough to walk on it. It's almost more psychedelic because of the duration (if that makes sense). Anyway it's worth a shot and cheap, but I flushed it after doing it five times.

[QUOTE=so;52868047]While I have relied on DCK to get my disso fix in a drought, I couldn't recommend it in good conscience. I used it orally, and liked it because the hole lasted for a really long time, but it always felt dirty compared to Ketamine and MXE. Mostly because of the absorption rate. I could never sleep for hours after I would take it, and wake up and still be dissociated. I was wary about my friend driving home in the morning because the distance between myself and the stop light was variable as I walked up to it. It's tough to walk on it. It's almost more psychedelic because of the duration (if that makes sense). Anyway it's worth a shot and cheap, but I flushed it after doing it five times.[/QUOTE] Dude, I'm sorry, but you and your friend are arseholes for driving intoxicated, [b]especially on dissociatives[/b]. You might think I am being a prick for saying that, but when you start putting other people's lives in danger consciously like that, it's a real dick move.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52868057]Dude, I'm sorry, but you and your friend are arseholes for driving intoxicated, [b]especially on dissociatives[/b]. You might think I am being a prick for saying that, but when you start putting other people's lives in danger consciously like that, it's a real dick move.[/QUOTE] No that's fair. I did what I could but ultimately it was their own judgement call. edit: and I wasn't driving.

[QUOTE=so;52868061]No that's fair. I did what I could but ultimately it was their own judgement call. edit: and I wasn't driving.[/QUOTE] Oh! Sorry, I assumed you were in the car too because of you detailing the stop light. Ignore my post then - you can't control what your friend does. I hope he doesn't do it again though!

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52868028][URL="https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Deschloroketamine"]deschloroketamine[/URL], pretty similar to MXE in effects. some say it is more sedating than MXE is but I haven't really experienced that. it doesn't have quite the same euphoric feeling as MXE did for me, and i've had a harder time getting to the hole with it. maybe that comes from a combination of tolerance and the chemical itself. i still enjoy it, i can become completely immersed in music with it. i honestly mostly use it for the anti-anxiety and anti-depressant effects. to anthropomorphize it some, [B]it feels masculine while MXE felt almost feminine to me, if that makes any sense.[/B] [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] i'd say give it a shot, see how you like it. it isn't super expensive when taking dose levels into consideration. sadly we probably will never get back to those $30 for 3.5 grams of MXE heyday, but it is still fun enough to try and does an okay job at scratching that MXE itch[/QUOTE] sounds p gay, I mean you're literally putting DCK in your mouth

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;52869422]sounds p gay, I mean you're literally putting DCK in your mouth[/QUOTE] as i've said before if sucking dick did the same thing as DCK you wouldn't be able to stop me from blowing dudes

DCKs n holes to get high everybody. Truly DD at its lowest

I love that my weed tolerance is so low and stays low. I've had an $100 half last me almost a month now. Have an 8th waiting for me after this too lol.

[QUOTE=Dbot;52871766]I love that my weed tolerance is so low and stays low. I've had an $100 half last me almost a month now. Have an 8th waiting for me after this too lol.[/QUOTE] I am the same - my weed tolerance never grew much at all.

fuck me work is so boring and its just dragging on. got an hour left but it feels like an eternity. has anyone tried out meditation? its fucking sick, i mean i'd rather take drugs to get the same effect but when you dont have any on hand meditation can take you places.

[QUOTE=Dbot;52871766]I love that my weed tolerance is so low and stays low. I've had an $100 half last me almost a month now. Have an 8th waiting for me after this too lol.[/QUOTE] I had half an oz last me two months, partially because vaporizers are so efficient. [editline]9th November 2017[/editline] Currently on some Amnesia Haze and holy fuck, I'm starting to appreciate sativas more. I cleaned up my hell of a kitchen without hesitation (I'm a MASSIVE procrastinator) not even 20 minutes after waking up and toking.

Yeah I need to pick up sativa next time I have the ability. I got a gram of indica over the weekend and christ, a few puffs early in the day left me absolutely exhausted for most of the rest of the day. Only issue with sativas is it just goes by much quicker, from my experience.

[QUOTE=Jrose14;52872863]Yeah I need to pick up sativa next time I have the ability. I got a gram of indica over the weekend and christ, a few puffs early in the day left me absolutely exhausted for most of the rest of the day. Only issue with sativas is it just goes by much quicker, from my experience.[/QUOTE] Sort of? I've been feeling it for three hours after every bowl

[QUOTE=Jrose14;52872863]Yeah I need to pick up sativa next time I have the ability. I got a gram of indica over the weekend and christ, a few puffs early in the day left me absolutely exhausted for most of the rest of the day. Only issue with sativas is it just goes by much quicker, from my experience.[/QUOTE] If I buy indicas it's literally me just pissing my money away. Sure it's relaxing, but I end up doing the same thing every time and going to bed early. Sativas allow me to remain active, and thus are much more worth it for me.

I wish I actually knew whether my cannabis was a sativa or an indica. Motherfuckers just call it "dank" or "mids" or "homegrown" or "reg" around here. I've only ever bought actual named strains once when I took a trip to Colorado, and man, it was fucking heaven. Walking into a store and buying weed from behind a counter filled with nugs, dabs and joints is such a bizarre and amazing experience. Well once someone sold me some green crack, and it was amazing, but fuck knows if they were just saying that or if it actually was green crack.

Jesus fuck I went to go buy concert tickets and the website I went to defaulted my order to the highest possible quantity available in that section, which in my case was 8 seats. I was so damn close to clicking "submit order" before I realized it. I don't know how whoever designed that sleazy, scammy bullshit sleeps at night.

Jesus Christ that's awful design. Like, I got the HTC U11 and it has no aux jack. The dongle for it is going to cost me 12 damn dollars to replace I can put on nice ear buds or something. I'm considering just buying an IPod Touch, jailbreaking it and using it for music.

do any of you have snapchat and if so who are you cus I've got a bunch of you from years ago but I've forgotten who you are

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