The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high - General

He said .5 for a night, presumably multiple doses not a single dose of .5

[QUOTE=SataniX;52886557]He said .5 for a night, presumably multiple doses not a single dose of .5[/QUOTE] that is still a lot of mdma nevermind for a first timer

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;52886529]Don't take 0.5 in one go, jesus Start off with .15 or so max, see how you feel, redose as needed. Tangent question, are you from the UK? Seems the drug culture over there is way more excessive than it is in the states. I think I saw somewhere that the average MDMA dose in the USA was somewhere between .1-.15, whereas in the UK it was closer to .3.[/QUOTE] I live in the UK and we don't do as as high as .3g in my experience. Our drug culture is definitely more excessive though, especially in Scotland. [editline]13th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SataniX;52886557]He said .5 for a night, presumably multiple doses not a single dose of .5[/QUOTE] I suppose the statement was quite ambiguous, but we may be misinterpreting, sure. I think .5g in three doses is acceptable, but it is still a little on the high side for a first timer. I think MDMA should only be redosed once in a night, mainly because the third dosage is drastically less effective, so is a bit of a waste as well as making the comedown worse.

I find 140mg initially sufficient for even the biggest people, down to like 70mg for the smallest. Supplement post peak with 40-100mg depending again on size. I wouldn't redose a third time but of course sometimes you do. This is in England where decent MDMA seems to be everywhere but I don't imagine Scotland is much different, I'm guessing the UK in general has it pretty good currently. Can't comment on the US. That said I know people who take grotesque amounts like 5 pills in one night, so I dunno. Some people who do just perfect with 120~ mg can also manage a full pill at once and be fine.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52886652] I think .5g in three doses is acceptable, but it is still a little on the high side for a first timer. I think MDMA should only be redosed once in a night, mainly because the third dosage is drastically less effective, so is a bit of a waste as well as making the comedown worse.[/QUOTE] Yeah, 200/150/150 wouldn't be unreasonable but I wouldn't recommend it for a first timer.

I've never been brave enough to try acid, even if I am cureous, was offeref so many times, but stick to weed and beers :buckteeth: I heard that it's better to try it with someone around to look after you.. is it really necessary?

For your first time, it's strongly, strongly recommended. It can be very disorienting. It's also not something you should do if you're hesitant, you have to be pretty damn sure you want to do it.

[QUOTE=TimTimTommy;52883907]does anyone else go on really long walks when they do acid last time I did it I grabbed my crisp beautiful seinheiser headphones and walked like 6 miles to and back I started at like 10 and didn’t get back home till 3 it was beautiful until it started raining and I was worried about my headphones[/QUOTE] This is basically what i want to do with my last tab, except at night preferably. i think so fast you can see it in my facial expressions like the last time i tripped, i probably looked a tweaker walking down the street while in broad daylight. Night makes me feel truly alone and i love it sometimes

[QUOTE=Nomnomme;52888048]I've never been brave enough to try acid, even if I am curious, was offered so many times, but stick to weed and beers :buckteeth: I heard that it's better to try it with someone around to look after you.. is it really necessary?[/QUOTE] You should definitely have someone with you if you can. Its good to have someone who has experience with acid and is sober as it is extremely helpful to have someone grounded in reality should something go wrong while tripping.

[QUOTE=TimTimTommy;52883907]does anyone else go on really long walks when they do acid last time I did it I grabbed my crisp beautiful seinheiser headphones and walked like 6 miles to and back I started at like 10 and didn’t get back home till 3 it was beautiful until it started raining and I was worried about my headphones[/QUOTE] Reminds me of the best acid trip I've ever had. Was only a low-ish dose, 150ug I think, but I was in North Cornwall on holiday one summer. Dropped the LSD just before sunrise, sat watching the sun come up over the coast as I came up, then walked along the coastal path for a good 4-5 hours. Beautiful sunny day, with just enough wispy clouds to make all sorts of awesome patterns on the LSD. [editline]14th November 2017[/editline] Walking past a field of cows was freaky as fuck though. they all just stared at me with their evil eyes :v:

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52886652]I live in the UK and we don't do as as high as .3g in my experience. Our drug culture is definitely more excessive though[/QUOTE] Definitely, I know people who will bang half grams and not even be done for the night. Kinda fucked when you think about it

Cheers for the help with the MD fellas. The .5g was gonna last me through across tonight (like 6 hours) I’ll tone it down a bit though since it’ll be my first time. Another friend advised 120mg is the sweet spot. To the guy that asked, I’m from the UK and the particular city I’ll be partying at later absolutely buzzes off the stuff

[QUOTE=WilloTheWisp;52889617]Cheers for the help with the MD fellas. The .5g was gonna last me through across tonight (like 6 hours) I’ll tone it down a bit though since it’ll be my first time. Another friend advised 120mg is the sweet spot. To the guy that asked, I’m from the UK and the particular city I’ll be partying at later absolutely buzzes off the stuff[/QUOTE] I could be too late but if you know how much you weigh you can use this [url]http://mollymeasure.com/[/url] enjoy

Anyone know a good reading source for the actual chemistry behind weed, THC, CBD, etc? I don't just mean the biology stuff too, I want to know how to plant acts on it own, the actual properties of THC and stuff. I'm not the best at chemistry (barely passed entry level in college, but that's mostly cause I skipped too much and the professor wasn't that good. I remember once I was in a review for it and had a serious question and he literally got like 50 people in a huge lecture hall until he finally called on me (I was far in the back) and he walks up this giant fucking lecture hall and shit and stands like 5 feet away looking at me. I wish I was high for that cause it would've been more fun probably. Anyway...), yeah I'm not the best at chemistry, but I've been improving because now I'm actually learning about how it actually would apply in my education and I thought reading about it with stuff I'm interested in would make it more interesting. It's like reading about acid while on acid, fun as hell.

[QUOTE=Nomnomme;52888048]I've never been brave enough to try acid, even if I am cureous, was offeref so many times, but stick to weed and beers :buckteeth: I heard that it's better to try it with someone around to look after you.. is it really necessary?[/QUOTE] Strongly recommend having a trip sitter especially if you have never tried psychs or dissociatives in the past, choose someone who is not only responsible but also fun to be around. DXM was a very helpful practice for me when trying acid for the first time since the moments where I started to peak hard I was able to let go, and allow the trip to naturally happen instead of fighting the feeling. You will feel very disorientated at times, working with technology will be very difficult if not impossible at times and can give you a scare if you have any sort of anxieties. Surround yourself with uplifting calm music that you like. Music is a very good way of coaching your emotions back into a good vibe. You can feel waves of pure emotion at times from seemingly out of nowhere, both happy and sad. Of course plan a day that you have no, and I mean NO RESPONSIBILITIES, you don't want to get yourself worked up about trying to complete a task you have to do or some shit because anxiety will turn your trip south real quick. As for fun shit to do, just do whatever makes you happy. Some people have no problem playing intense shit like horror games or action games, hell some people on here have played dota and league while tripping. Nature is fun as shit, the wind is orgasmic and the clouds, don't get me started on the sky. Also eat a nice meal before tripping because once you are in it, eating will feel very strange and getting an appetite may be very hard. Fruit is good tho, that was one of the few things I could stomach that didn't feel like alien material going down my esophagus. If you dare, look into a mirror, I had a wicked experience where I felt like I was looking into alternate universes of my person, where I saw like an old warrior from Spanish 1800's type shit, like I was seeing my past lives or some shit. Oh and one of the weirder things is that your sense of touch can change where you can hold your cell phone and it will feel like it's warping larger and smaller in your hand even though your brain knows "nigga its a cell phone, it should be a solid ass rectangle, you trippin." But yeah its fun.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52879682]Or just get 4-aco-dmt, seriously, it's so much easier / nicer to take. [editline]11th November 2017[/editline] why the fuck didn't I lead with that[/QUOTE] 4-ACO-DMT isn't as close to mushrooms as people lead others to believe from my experience. I never was a big fan of it, but I love mushrooms. They taste great too imo, like cinnamon toast crunch minus the cinnamon and the toast as a certain workaholic once put it so eloquently. They're also stupidly easy to grow and if you do it right you can easily get yourself an unlimited supply without a whole lot of work. Anyway, if you want mushrooms, whether cultivation or hunting, check shroomery. Don't bother asking anywhere else. [QUOTE=WilloTheWisp;52886323] Apparently 0.5g is enough for a good night[/QUOTE] That's with redosing, assuming one wants to go incredibly hard for the night. Start with 85mg or 100mg your first time. Also, buy a reagent test kit if you're going to do drugs that aren't cannabis, especially MDMA. There are so many RC's being sold as MDMA, it's fucking stupid. $65 could save you from a really bad time or even save your life. Stay informed and you'll stay alive :) [url]https://dancesafe.org/shop/[/url] [url]https://www.reagent-tests.uk/[/url] [url]http://bunkpolice.com/how-to-buy/[/url] Personally, I'd go with dancesafe. Their kits are well made, last a long time when kept in the freezer, sealed away and in the dark, and they can be used for testing many different compounds many different times. Though since you're in the UK, reagent-tests.uk might be a better idea, and they seem pretty cheap. They also have milligram scales, which are insanely useful, though you can probably get them cheaper on Amazon and they have a bigger selection. Here's a channel with reagent test results for a number of verified samples of different drugs: [url]https://www.youtube.com/user/BunkPolice[/url] This channel is also insanely useful for verifying the legitimacy of different compounds, though there are others out there as well. [QUOTE=WilloTheWisp;52889617]Cheers for the help with the MD fellas. The .5g was gonna last me through across tonight (like 6 hours) I’ll tone it down a bit though since it’ll be my first time. Another friend advised 120mg is the sweet spot. To the guy that asked, I’m from the UK and the particular city I’ll be partying at later absolutely buzzes off the stuff[/QUOTE] .5g in 6 hours is still a lot. Not that it's not doable, but that's going pretty hard. 200mg lasted 4-5 hours for me last time I tried MDMA (which, admittedly, was quite a while ago), and I had no intention of redosing after I came down. If you redose 40-50mg about an hour to an hour and a half into the experience you can extend it by an hour or so. Or if you really want you can redose, but in my opinion .5g in that period of time is asking for an overwhelming, possibly uncomfortable roll. Either way, stay hydrated and stay cool. Also, 5-HTP the day after seems to help for a lot of people I know, myself included, to ease the hangover (which wasn't really even that bad in my experience, but everyone's different).

[QUOTE=WilloTheWisp;52889617]Cheers for the help with the MD fellas. The .5g was gonna last me through across tonight (like 6 hours) I’ll tone it down a bit though since it’ll be my first time. Another friend advised 120mg is the sweet spot. To the guy that asked, I’m from the UK and the particular city I’ll be partying at later absolutely buzzes off the stuff[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if someone shared this already but [url]https://rollsafe.org/[/url] is an excellent resource on doing MDMA safely

Had CEV's for the first time while high yesterday

[quote]4-ACO-DMT isn't as close to mushrooms as people lead others to believe from my experience. I never was a big fan of it, but I love mushrooms.[/quote] Personally, effects-wise, I'm unable to notice any quantifiable difference. Obviously dose-wise there are differences, and you don't have the nausea that comes from eating 1/8 oz of toxic mushrooms. [editline]15th November 2017[/editline] As far as I understand, both Psilocybin (OG shrooms) and 4-ACO-DMT are metabolised into Psilocin (aka 4-HO-DMT) which is what causes the psychoactive effects. [editline]15th November 2017[/editline] Oh, and I get to try 5-meo-dmt tomorrow :dance:

going through a sugar detox right now, which me luck.

Made some cannabutter, put it in my tea and I'm trying to drink it but it's god awful that taste makes me gag [editline]16th November 2017[/editline] I managed to down a single sip until I decided to pour it out. I was already a bit nauseous so that didn't help. Time to go out and just smoke like I normally do.

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52895111]going through a sugar detox right now, which me luck.[/QUOTE] 2 days by, first results: -My farts smell weird -My ass smells weird -i dont really know if im hungry or im craving sugar. -Still mentally strong, have energy and fuel to keep this going for many days more.

i want to do drugs with people again, specifically M but i dont want to ask because of anxiety

[QUOTE=uitham;52897392]i want to do drugs with people again, specifically M but i dont want to ask because of anxiety[/QUOTE] This feels like a chicken and egg scenario.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52893891]Personally, effects-wise, I'm unable to notice any quantifiable difference. Obviously dose-wise there are differences, and you don't have the nausea that comes from eating 1/8 oz of toxic mushrooms.[/QUOTE] That's the thing, though. I thought the effects were very similar but still very obviously different. I got more nausea (kind of like my intestines were doing somersaults for the come up, not like I needed to throw up), and I had an annoying body load for the entire trip, which I've never really gotten off of mushrooms. I also was completely unable to talk or function socially, which is an effect I've heard people describe with mushrooms, but I've never personally experienced, quite the opposite really, they make me talkative. My words just get stuck in my throat and I can't form sentences on 4-ACO-DMT which tends to make me anxious when I'm tripping on it around people. That's mainly why I didn't like it compared to mushrooms. When taken alone though, it is excellent and the visuals are absolutely beautiful. I've tried multiple batches of 4-ACO-DMT which I've tested with reagents, and it's always the same for me. I also never got nausea off of mushrooms and I would never describe the feeling as "toxic" (mainly because they aren't toxic, but also because they never felt like that to me). Hell, I even like the taste of cubensis. I've put them on pizza (after letting the pizza cool, of course) before and it actually tasted amazing, lol. It's one of those things where you just have to realize that everyone reacts differently. Psychedelics are probably the most subjective class of drugs. [QUOTE=SataniX;52893891]As far as I understand, both Psilocybin (OG shrooms) and 4-ACO-DMT are metabolised into Psilocin (aka 4-HO-DMT) which is what causes the psychoactive effects.[/QUOTE] That's actually a myth often spread by vendors on various forums to sell their product. It was originally hypothesized by the inventor, Albert Hoffman, I believe but he never tested this hypothesis, nor did anyone else. If it metabolized into 4-HO-DMT via first pass metabolism and was not active itself, it would be inactive when injected IM or IV which bypass first pass metabolization and go straight to the brain. It is highly active this way which means it is active in its own right. There are quite a few reports of people IM'ing and even IV'ing it and even a couple successful reports of people vaporizing the freebase, which also bypasses first pass metabolization. Shulgin himself firmly disagreed with the statement that it converts to Psilocin, partially on the basis that there have been no studies to back it up, but also on the fact that it's slightly more potent and active when injected. This would not be the case if it were a prodrug. He also had more to say on the subject, I'll see if I can find the link to his statements, but I've got shit to do atm so it might be a bit. [QUOTE=SataniX;52893891]Oh, and I get to try 5-meo-dmt tomorrow :dance:[/QUOTE] Oohh, you're gonna love it if you like N,N-DMT. Just be sure you have an accurate milligram scale as it is very potent by a magnitude of nearly ten times that of N,N-DMT. It also has a stronger body load in my experience, but I still absolutely enjoyed it. I wish I had gotten more than 30mg to explore it further as I never broke through. The lack of strong visuals was disappointing, but it was still incredibly psychedelic. Just don't ever mix it with MAOI's, that could potentially kill you, unlike N,N-DMT. 5-MEO-DMT functions as an MAOI itself so it's dangerous to mix with further monoamine oxidase inhibition. EDIT: Man, I just cannot talk about stuff that I'm interested in without rambling like mad. The kratom isn't helping. I apologize for how long my posts typically are.

I think the mistake is my use of the word metabolise, my bad. AFAIK conventional scientific view is roughly that but using the term prodrug as you've pointed out. That's just stealing from wiki though so who knows. Still waiting on the 5meo but yeah, I'm aware it's potent. I invested a while back in a solid scale (no nearest 10mg bullshit) so I think I'm set. MAOIs I tend to avoid on principle with the amount of drugs they cause problems with. [editline]16th November 2017[/editline] I wonder how much the comparison between 4aco and shrooms varies with the species of shrooms too, since there's subtle but distinct differences in effect. Funnily enough my 5meo is a 30mg sample too... :v:

[QUOTE=SataniX;52897855]I think the mistake is my use of the word metabolise, my bad. AFAIK conventional scientific view is roughly that but using the term prodrug as you've pointed out. That's just stealing from wiki though so who knows.[/QUOTE] I just would like to see an actual study done on the metabolic pathway of 4-ACO-DMT before I believe it. That was mostly Shulgin's issue with the claim as well IIRC. All that said though, I don't blame people for believing it, the two drugs are very similar. 4-ACO-DMT reminded me kind of of a mix of N,N,-DMT and mushrooms. However it could just be the fact that they're structurally very similar. I believe even Psilocybin is somewhat active on its own when injected, so it could still be the case that 4-ACO-DMT does convert to Psilocin but it still has effects of its own at roughly the same potency as Psilocin. Just without actual studies, we just don't really know. [QUOTE=SataniX;52897855]Still waiting on the 5meo but yeah, I'm aware it's potent. I invested a while back in a solid scale (no nearest 10mg bullshit) so I think I'm set. MAOIs I tend to avoid on principle with the amount of drugs they cause problems with.[/QUOTE] Glad to hear you're well prepared! Is it the HCl salt or the freebase? The freebase is what you want if you're vaporizing, the HCl is what you want for oral, nasal or sublingual ingestion (or IV/IM but don't do that unless you're highly prepared and have a trip sitter. I do not recommend nor condone doing that).

Just the HCl salt. I'm thinking split it into 5/10/15mg and snort it (obviously separate times) since that'll start me off slow but 15mg should be strong-ish. [editline]17th November 2017[/editline] With 4-ACO-DMT, the only significant research I've read on it are these: [url]https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/nichols/nichols-psilocin.pdf[/url] Which is focused on the [i]production[/i] of 4-ACO-DMT, and straight up states it's a prodrug based on [url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9204776]this study[/url]....which doesn't exactly say that straight up, as far as I can tell. It does however state that psilocin is only one of several psychoactive products from psilocybin which makes sense I guess.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52897855]I wonder how much the comparison between 4aco and shrooms varies with the species of shrooms too, since there's subtle but distinct differences in effect. Funnily enough my 5meo is a 30mg sample too... :v:[/QUOTE] I guess Psilocybe Cyanescens felt more like 4-ACO-DMT, minus the social retardation (though I bet at higher doses it would be similar) and the intestinal weirdness/body load. They had more DMT-like visuals like 4-ACO-DMT. There are species of psychedelic mushrooms that have [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeocystin]Baeocystin[/url] in them. It's the 4-substituted analogue of NMT or N-Methyltryptamine, which is often found alongside N,N,-DMT in nature. I can't comment on the difference of effects, but I'd love to hear from anyone who has tried mushroom species with appreciable amounts of Baeocystin in them and how they compare to other mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT. ¡Muy bueno, señor!

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52898063]but I'd love to hear from anyone who has tried mushroom species with appreciable amounts of Baeocystin in them and how they compare to other mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_semilanceata]Liberty Caps[/url] have (I believe) a small amount of Baeocystin in, I did find them noticeably more hallucinogenic (as compared to psychedelic effects) than P. Cubensis. [editline]17th November 2017[/editline] we shrooms chemistry now