The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high

[Fate]

[QUOTE=TimTimTommy;52914681]
what the fuck are clams[/QUOTE]

[url=https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Clonazolam]Probably Clonazolam[/url].

Sounds like you did a standard xanman, blacked out and took more.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

Also I figure you've realised this from the experience, but do a bit more research before taking stuff :v:

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52914578]I used to have a serious problem with stimulants (MDPV, amphetamine) and so can say they will only ever make sleeping problems worse. I hope it improves, and I know exactly how you feel.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I had a period of stimulants to wake up, xanax to sleep, repeat. Getting out of that pattern was hell.

[Mugofdoom]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52913838]i have discovered that attempting to flirt while also consciously keeping your grip on this plane of existence and not dissolving into a dck hole is not advisable if you are intending to do a good job at either of those things[/QUOTE]

Yyyeeah, I tried doing something similar while on 3-MEO-PCP. I think I ended up insulting all of her ex-boyfriends then wouldn't shut up about how awesome I thought her job was (in my defense she is a technical assistant for a neurosurgeon, which is pretty fucking badass), and I never got a reply back.

Also your avatar is fitting. "Hhhhheeeeyy bbbbaby..."

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=SataniX;52915384][url=https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Clonazolam]Probably Clonazolam[/url].

Sounds like you did a standard xanman, blacked out and took more.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

Also I figure you've realised this from the experience, but do a bit more research before taking stuff :v:

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

Yeah I had a period of stimulants to wake up, xanax to sleep, repeat. Getting out of that pattern was hell.[/QUOTE]

Clonazolam is fucking scary shit, man. Doses are sub 1mg (iirc most tabs are dosed .25mg), it takes a while to kick in and it has a long half-life.

There are more than a few reports of people accidentally dosing a little bit too much and coming to a week later with no recollection of anything and missing a bunch of drugs.

Fuuuuck benzos in general. Hellish withdrawals, memory deficits, blackouts, irritability, rebound anxiety, and seizures can all be yours for just one or more pills a day!

[Fate]

Plus still struggling to get to sleep normally 6 months after quitting. Fun fun fun.

Don't do xanax kids.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52915464]Yyyeeah, I tried doing something similar while on 3-MEO-PCP. I think I ended up insulting all of her ex-boyfriends then wouldn't shut up about how awesome I thought her job was (in my defense she is a technical assistant for a neurosurgeon, which is pretty fucking badass), and I never got a reply back.

Also your avatar is fitting. "Hhhhheeeeyy bbbbaby..."[/QUOTE]

it was even worse because i was in person and she is a friend, i essentially just bluntly said "i find you very sexually attractive" which was not a lie but is also the absolute least smooth way you can say something like that. my face felt like it was falling off, too so i was probably slurring like a motherfucker.

luckily she's understanding and we're cool but god damn was it the most embarrassing shit i have ever pulled

[Zombinie]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52915786]it was even worse because i was in person and she is a friend, i essentially just bluntly said "i find you very sexually attractive" which was not a lie but is also the absolute least smooth way you can say something like that. my face felt like it was falling off, too so i was probably slurring like a motherfucker.

luckily she's understanding and we're cool but god damn was it the most embarrassing shit i have ever pulled[/QUOTE]

Mistakes made, lessons learned, nothing lost. Don't be too hard on yourself

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52915811]Mistakes made, lessons learned, nothing lost. Don't be too hard on yourself[/QUOTE]

lesson 1: don't try anything close to flirting while way too fucked up lmao

[vlad]

could you theoretically modify any drug to make them last as long as LSD? considering LSD lasts as long as it does because it gets trapped in the receptors they bind to, would it be possible to make any drug do the same?

[Fate]

[QUOTE=PredGD;52916122]could you theoretically modify any drug to make them last as long as LSD? considering LSD lasts as long as it does because it gets trapped in the receptors they bind to, would it be possible to make any drug do the same?[/QUOTE]

Not a chemist by any means, but my understanding is it's vaguely possible and probably will be a thing in a few decades / hundred years.

At the moment though, making such changes would drastically effect the other aspects of the drug.

[Speedhax]

[QUOTE=PredGD;52914393]seems like I've managed to start a nasty habit as of recent. the past few weeks I've had a really broken sleeping schedule and in the beginning, I was thinking that maybe amphetamine could help me power through those sleepless days so I could go to bed at a reasonable time. now several weeks have gone by and I feel like I'm barely sleeping compared to before and I've begun taking more amphetamine than what I consider OK.

I legitimately hate this drug. it's all great the first 5-6 hours and then it just becomes ugh. it always makes me look back at my day and think "this was a terrible idea". not only because of the comedown, but also because those 5-6 hours literally feels like 1-2 hours. I don't get the time to "really" enjoy myself since time passes so quickly. so I tell myself I won't do it anymore because it's so manipulative but it doesn't take long before my brain forgets all about the negative stuff. lets not forget the insomnia either which directly fuels my sleeping problem. I'm physically incapable of falling asleep unless around 15-17 hours have passed since I last dosed, it's nuts.

this drug makes me feel like a drug addict. it makes me feel that I'm worthless and that nobody likes me. it's the greatest and worst drug I've tried. I think it's time to flush another bag of this stuff. I thought I could control my usage but this drug has me completely fooled. there's no responsible use after you've felt the crave[/QUOTE]

I've been taking Vyvanse for just over a year straight daily. Time passes so quickly it legitimately scares me. On one hand things like work are a lot easier to get through, but I feel like things are going so fast.

[TimTimTommy]

[QUOTE=bootv2;52917001]if I smoke weed after drinking enough alcohol I'll go from being able to handle it very well to puking in less than 15 minutes. Key to mixing alcohol and weed for me is smoking a joint first and then ease into the alcohol.[/QUOTE]

grass before beer, you’re in the clear

beer before grass, you’re on your ass

[Zillamatic]

[media]https://youtu.be/64M_AKe3XVk[/media]

ughhhhhh

[AncientFryup]

[QUOTE=TimTimTommy;52917219]grass before beer, you’re in the clear

beer before grass, you’re on your ass[/QUOTE]

For me it's like constantly balancing them out to have a good time, too much beer not enough weed and I start being a loud swaying cunt, too much weed not enough beer and I'm just chill in my own world. However wayy too much beer induces like an intense burn in my stomach followed by sick.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=Zillamatic;52917305][media]https://youtu.be/64M_AKe3XVk[/media]

ughhhhhh[/QUOTE]

fucking love this band

[editline]23rd November 2017[/editline]

Ujubasajuba is a great album you should all listen to it

[Mugofdoom]

[QUOTE=PredGD;52916122]could you theoretically modify any drug to make them last as long as LSD? considering LSD lasts as long as it does because it gets trapped in the receptors they bind to, would it be possible to make any drug do the same?[/QUOTE]

The only way to do that semi-reliably would be to make a time released molecule of some sort. This could be done like DXM Polistirex (assuming you could get polistiric acid and know what to do with it), with the compound being bound to a polymer chain of some sort that needs to be broken down by stomach acid before it is absorbed into the blood stream.

This is extremely dangerous, though, as you need to know the rate in which it is absorbed so you get the dose absolutely right. DXM is fine because high doses aren't likely to kill you, and with most psychedelics this wouldn't be a problem, either, but you may run the risk of dosing too high and tripping too hard for too long. Making a Polistirex salt out of anything will lower the dose due to the fact that it is absorbed slower, and likely wouldn't even work with psychedelics as tolerance would build up before all of it is absorbed.

Other than that you could try making an analogue, but even if you had an impeccable understanding of structure-activity relationships, you would still be taking a shot in the dark. For instance 2C-D lasts a mere 4-6 hours, but a close analogue, 2C-G lasts ~30 hours, but there are many, many more differences than just the duration. You'd be very hard pressed to find a structural change to any molecule that would only affect the half-life.

[bs8814]

I have a pre-employment drug test that I wasn't aware of until I got the interview. Never actually thought I'd need to use [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1109651"]this[/URL] thread. Gonna buy all the shit today and fingers crossed I pass the test

[Clovis]

[QUOTE=bs8814;52918235]I have a pre-employment drug test that I wasn't aware of until I got the interview. Never actually thought I'd need to use [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1109651"]this[/URL] thread. Gonna buy all the shit today and fingers crossed I pass the test[/QUOTE]

Weed is the hardest one to dodge, but depending on the type of test, as long as you have not smoked within 5 days, you should be fine. More complex tests can detect it up to 28 days later if you are a regular smoker, although it is not often used and can be cheated to a certain extent, even though not by too much tbh.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52917952]The only way to do that semi-reliably would be to make a time released molecule of some sort. This could be done like DXM Polistirex (assuming you could get polistiric acid and know what to do with it), with the compound being bound to a polymer chain of some sort that needs to be broken down by stomach acid before it is absorbed into the blood stream.

This is extremely dangerous, though, as you need to know the rate in which it is absorbed so you get the dose absolutely right. DXM is fine because high doses aren't likely to kill you, and with most psychedelics this wouldn't be a problem, either, but you may run the risk of dosing too high and tripping too hard for too long. Making a Polistirex salt out of anything will lower the dose due to the fact that it is absorbed slower, and likely wouldn't even work with psychedelics as tolerance would build up before all of it is absorbed.

Other than that you could try making an analogue, but even if you had an impeccable understanding of structure-activity relationships, you would still be taking a shot in the dark. For instance 2C-D lasts a mere 4-6 hours, but a close analogue, 2C-G lasts ~30 hours, but there are many, many more differences than just the duration. You'd be very hard pressed to find a structural change to any molecule that would only affect the half-life.[/QUOTE]

you know, i think that low doses of an extended release form of something like DCK or 3-meo-pcp could be a revolutionary anti-depressant

[Fate]

XR 3-meo-pcp sounds like a nightmare safety wise.

[cis.joshb]

[QUOTE=SataniX;52915571]Plus still struggling to get to sleep normally 6 months after quitting. Fun fun fun.

Don't do xanax kids.[/QUOTE]

true dude. I wish kids in school would hear like the real reasons not to do certain drugs. Like xanax is honestly the easiest way to get a trainwreck of an addiction as far as I know. It's cheap as fuck, it lasts long as fuck. The withdrawals from xanax seem to develop much faster than opioid withdrawals or stimulant withdrawals (and honestly stimulant withdrawals are more of just a drawn out comedown and not very bad at all, just low energy), from my experience. Popping one vicodin a day won't give you withdrawals for a little while but popping 1 xanax a day gave me a harsh rebound after just 3 days of use. The withdrawal/rebound itself consists of the worst anxiety and restlessness and discomfort you've ever felt. It would be impossible not to take more if you had any. It can even kill you from the withdrawals from seizures. It makes you much much more mentally impaired than opioids, meth, or cocaine. Tried all of those, and xanax was the only one that has allowed me to do some stuff I actually regret. It's just all around a shit sandwich of a substance.

[vlad]

[QUOTE=cis.joshb;52918786]true dude. I wish kids in school would hear like the real reasons not to do certain drugs. Like xanax is honestly the easiest way to get a trainwreck of an addiction as far as I know. It's cheap as fuck, it lasts long as fuck. The withdrawals from xanax seem to develop much faster than opioid withdrawals or stimulant withdrawals (and honestly stimulant withdrawals are more of just a drawn out comedown and not very bad at all, just low energy), from my experience. Popping one vicodin a day won't give you withdrawals for a little while but popping 1 xanax a day gave me a harsh rebound after just 3 days of use. The withdrawal/rebound itself consists of the worst anxiety and restlessness and discomfort you've ever felt. It would be impossible not to take more if you had any. It can even kill you from the withdrawals from seizures. It makes you much much more mentally impaired than opioids, meth, or cocaine. Tried all of those, and xanax was the only one that has allowed me to do some stuff I actually regret. It's just all around a shit sandwich of a substance.[/QUOTE]

if people were told about the real consequences of drugs I imagine it'd help a ton. it's not really off putting to hear that all drugs are bad for you and for all the wrong reasons. people figure that stuff out and start underestimating the danger of drugs a little too much. then they go into drugs feeling invincible and have to learn the real dangers of whatever they're taking by themselves and at that point its more often than not already too late to prevent damage, either physically or psychologically, or even both.

[Fate]

[QUOTE=cis.joshb;52918786]popping 1 xanax a day[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and having 4 doses in 1 tablet isn't helpful because of this kinda thing. Lots of people just don't realise.

Rappers promoting LSD, weed and cocaine was much healthier than xanax and codeine... :/

[TimTimTommy]

the Xanax high isn’t even as good as the Vicodin or Percocet high

all the times I’ve done xans it’s been like a lite version of opiates and you don’t get that giddy sense of child like wonder where you’re happy as hell and everything is so nice and cozy

some of my best memories was taking Vicodin a couple hours after dinner and watch a movie then go to sleep right afterwards all nice and cozy I used to be on teamspeak with boys and swivel around in my chair high as shit and happy

then going to bed while still high was the best thing ever

no come downs or withdrawal symptoms and I was on Vicodin for like a week everyday of that, only done percocets a couple times never sequential days

worst experience with Vicodin was I had a fever one of the nights I took it and woke up cold as hell and incredibly cold no matter how much I wrapped myself in blankets for like thirty minutes not even sure if that was the vicodin’s fault

[Mugofdoom]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52918455]you know, i think that low doses of an extended release form of something like DCK or 3-meo-pcp could be a revolutionary anti-depressant[/QUOTE]

Ketamine would probably be a better candidate, or MXE. 3-MEO-PCP XR would have to be a really, REALLY low dose for it to be safe. I've noticed hypomania and mania only really come from redosing too often, so extended release probably wouldn't work too well.

The longevity of the antidepressant effects of 3-MEO-PCP is good enough that honestly an XR formulation would be pretty pointless anyway. I feel fucking amazing for days after a single dose. Honestly it's kind of the same with most dissociatives. After holing I feel fucking great for a good while after the fact.

Also I think there are formulations of Ketamine that you take transdermally. That's sort of an XR formula.

[editline]24th November 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=SataniX;52918815]Yeah, and having 4 doses in 1 tablet isn't helpful because of this kinda thing. Lots of people just don't realise.

Rappers promoting LSD, weed and cocaine was much healthier than xanax and codeine... :/[/QUOTE]

Rappers should promote safe drug use.

Lil Harm Reduction says "buy a fucking scale, bitch and test yo shit"

[Crumpets]

what happened to zenx2?

[Crooky01]

[QUOTE=TimTimTommy;52918922]the Xanax high isn’t even as good as the Vicodin or Percocet high

all the times I’ve done xans it’s been like a lite version of opiates and you don’t get that giddy sense of child like wonder where you’re happy as hell and everything is so nice and cozy

some of my best memories was taking Vicodin a couple hours after dinner and watch a movie then go to sleep right afterwards all nice and cozy I used to be on teamspeak with boys and swivel around in my chair high as shit and happy

then going to bed while still high was the best thing ever

no come downs or withdrawal symptoms and I was on Vicodin for like a week everyday of that, only done percocets a couple times never sequential days

worst experience with Vicodin was I had a fever one of the nights I took it and woke up cold as hell and incredibly cold no matter how much I wrapped myself in blankets for like thirty minutes not even sure if that was the vicodin’s fault[/QUOTE]

I've done xans a few times and I didn't really enjoy the high as much as other people seem like they do. The blackouts kinda put me off because whole periods of time are just blank from your mind

[Fate]

Xanax high isn't really a high; it's a lack of anxiety / stress feeling.
So that tends to vary a lot how people feel it since it's relative to their normal anxiety/stress levels.

[Mugofdoom]

[QUOTE=Crooky14;52921726]I've done xans a few times and I didn't really enjoy the high as much as other people seem like they do. The blackouts kinda put me off because whole periods of time are just blank from your mind[/QUOTE]

It's more enjoyable if you have some kind of anxiety disorder. It's like a weight off your shoulders that very few other drugs can give.

They'll cause rebound anxiety after a while, though, which is ten times worse than whatever anxiety you had prior, on top of the horrible withdrawals if you quit cold turkey (or hell, even tapering is pretty awful).

And yeah, the blackouts are scary. Missing entire days is not fun. There are good portions of 2016 that are simply a blank, and they fuck up your short term memory for a good while. It's taken until the end of this year, being benzo free for over a year now (minus taking a couple 5mg diazepams on top of ALD-52 as I was tripping a little too hard and wanted to calm down) for my memory to return to normal.

I cannot be more happy to have them out of my life. I was a complete fucking asshole when I was on them.

[SentientToilet]

[t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337208724156448768/383855280963715072/JPEG_20171125_064341.jpg[/t]
Nothing beats a 6am saturday blunt

[Zethiwag]

I smoked about 1/3rd of a blunt the other night and forgot how to walk. I'm on crutches because of a broken leg so it was pretty difficult already.

[SentientToilet]

Took some avb and decarbed some extra shake and put it in a mug cake
best ten hours ever