The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high - General

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;52926019]Took some avb and decarbed some extra shake and put it in a mug cake best ten hours ever[/QUOTE] Things like this further remind me more and more that i need to just eat an edible with the THC @knockout level doses. Its been a while since ive been mindfucked by weed, and sometimes theres nothing like a good mindfuck when you want it. Can sometimes be trippier than acid

is really brown MDMA a reason to be worried about its purity? [t]https://pred.me/pics/chrome_2017-11-29_12-36-03.png[/t] I've never seen MDMA with such a strong brown color. I thought it was brown sugar at first glance.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52931929]is really brown MDMA a reason to be worried about its purity? [t]https://pred.me/pics/chrome_2017-11-29_12-36-03.png[/t] I've never seen MDMA with such a strong brown color. I thought it was brown sugar at first glance.[/QUOTE] I've done some of this before and I thought exactly the same. It was called 'Moonrocks' as far as I can remember, and was being handed out at a party I was attending. Normally the mandy I do is slightly brown. As always, if you are unsure please invest in a testing kit.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52931929]is really brown MDMA a reason to be worried about its purity? [t]https://pred.me/pics/chrome_2017-11-29_12-36-03.png[/t] I've never seen MDMA with such a strong brown color. I thought it was brown sugar at first glance.[/QUOTE] pure mdma is clear so...your call bud

[QUOTE=PredGD;52931929]is really brown MDMA a reason to be worried about its purity? [t]https://pred.me/pics/chrome_2017-11-29_12-36-03.png[/t] I've never seen MDMA with such a strong brown color. I thought it was brown sugar at first glance.[/QUOTE] Even a tiny 1% impurity can make something black, so it is probably fine. Colour is rarely indicative of quality when it comes to drugs.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52931938]Even a tiny 1% impurity can make something black, so it is probably fine. Colour is rarely indicative of quality when it comes to drugs.[/QUOTE] yeah, I think I read something like this too. something about color changing due to transportation methods (liquefied and then recrystallized), not going through a final wash, minor impurities etc. [editline]29th November 2017[/editline] time to candyflip! two 180uq tabs down the hatch :)

[QUOTE=PredGD;52931950]yeah, I think I read something like this too. something about color changing due to transportation methods (liquefied and then recrystallized), not going through a final wash, minor impurities etc. [editline]29th November 2017[/editline] time to candyflip! two 180uq tabs down the hatch :)[/QUOTE] Oooh. Let us know how it goes. I have never candy or hippy flipped but I have combined MDMA with 2C-E before and also tried MDA, which may be similar experiences overall.

[QUOTE=Booker K;52932767]tried weed for the first time the other night, took a couple bong hits of sativa with some edibles at my friends' house i didnt want to indulge so much as a first timer so i didnt feel a whole lot of effects other than i guess i felt a bit more awake and aware, im also fairly certain when i was listening to music i was more engrossed in it than i normally am was fun to try though, next time i meet up with him we're gonna see about getting some indica for me to try and get a more high experience than i previously did[/QUOTE] In my experience, weed takes a bit of training to truly appreciate. My first two times, I was high as fuck, but my third, less high time, was better!

Does anyone here remember a while back when Stormcharger was around and he started using some online class website to learn programming and shit? Does anyone remember the name of the website, or know of other learning websites to learn programming skills?

[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;52933808]Does anyone here remember a while back when Stormcharger was around and he started using some online class website to learn programming and shit? Does anyone remember the name of the website, or know of other learning websites to learn programming skills?[/QUOTE] Maybe Khan academy or code academy is what you're looking for?

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52932402]Oooh. Let us know how it goes. I have never candy or hippy flipped but I have combined MDMA with 2C-E before and also tried MDA, which may be similar experiences overall.[/QUOTE] it was okay, nothing too exciting. yet again drugs are telling me that I need more variation in life and new experiences instead of just doing the same shit day in day out. drugs seem too predictable now that I'm familiar with its effects and I can't just take them and expect to have a good time like before. I need more than just drugs to have a good time while on drugs. I miss the days when I could take whatever and that'd be enough to keep me satisfied. seems like some sort of perma tolerance has popped up and nothing feels magical about drugs anymore. I guess it's good that this happened instead of risking abuse since there's no reason to abuse when I don't enjoy them like before. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] there was a moment last night after I had taken LSD and MDMA where I decided to smoke weed. I was listening to some music and while the song was building up, it felt like my heart was going faster with it. as soon as the song climaxed, my heart felt like it exploded. it was euphoric but it felt like I did some real damage to my heart, I've never experienced that before. can this combo of drugs cause heart problems?

[QUOTE=PredGD;52934737]it was okay, nothing too exciting. yet again drugs are telling me that I need more variation in life and new experiences instead of just doing the same shit day in day out. drugs seem too predictable now that I'm familiar with its effects and I can't just take them and expect to have a good time like before. I need more than just drugs to have a good time while on drugs. I miss the days when I could take whatever and that'd be enough to keep me satisfied. seems like some sort of perma tolerance has popped up and nothing feels magical about drugs anymore. I guess it's good that this happened instead of risking abuse since there's no reason to abuse when I don't enjoy them like before. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] there was a moment last night after I had taken LSD and MDMA where I decided to smoke weed. I was listening to some music and while the song was building up, it felt like my heart was going faster with it. as soon as the song climaxed, my heart felt like it exploded. it was euphoric but it felt like I did some real damage to my heart, I've never experienced that before. can this combo of drugs cause heart problems?[/QUOTE] I am not sure if LSD comes into the equation anywhere but MDMA is known to activate certain receptors on the heart which may cause damage. Weed is known to initially cause a higher blood pressure before leading to a lower blood pressure during the high. It also causes your heart rate to rise to make up for the lower pressure. All in all you're taking a cocktail of drugs which can have minor effects on the heart. If you have a heart condition, or for instance, there's a build-up of cholesterol - you may be putting yourself at risk. So don't overdo it. :v:

[QUOTE=Natrox;52935107]I am not sure if LSD comes into the equation anywhere but MDMA is known to activate certain receptors on the heart which may cause damage. Weed is known to initially cause a higher blood pressure before leading to a lower blood pressure during the high. It also causes your heart rate to rise to make up for the lower pressure. All in all you're taking a cocktail of drugs which can have minor effects on the heart. If you have a heart condition, or for instance, there's a build-up of cholesterol - you may be putting yourself at risk. So don't overdo it. :v:[/QUOTE] I don't know how fast heart problems can develop but I had a heart examination early 2015 with good results. hopefully it takes more time than 3 years for heart conditions to pop up.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52934737]it was okay, nothing too exciting. yet again drugs are telling me that I need more variation in life and new experiences instead of just doing the same shit day in day out. drugs seem too predictable now that I'm familiar with its effects and I can't just take them and expect to have a good time like before. I need more than just drugs to have a good time while on drugs. I miss the days when I could take whatever and that'd be enough to keep me satisfied. seems like some sort of perma tolerance has popped up and nothing feels magical about drugs anymore. I guess it's good that this happened instead of risking abuse since there's no reason to abuse when I don't enjoy them like before. [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] there was a moment last night after I had taken LSD and MDMA where I decided to smoke weed. I was listening to some music and while the song was building up, it felt like my heart was going faster with it. as soon as the song climaxed, my heart felt like it exploded. it was euphoric but it felt like I did some real damage to my heart, I've never experienced that before. can this combo of drugs cause heart problems?[/QUOTE] 5-HT2b agonism induced valvulopathies can happen as a result of habitual MDMA use, and I mean approximately 4 tablets a week for 6 years. Look up fenfluramine to learn more about it, but I doubt you need to worry yourself.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52935151]5-HT2b agonism induced valvulopathies can happen as a result of habitual MDMA use, and I mean approximately 4 tablets a week for 6 years. Look up fenfluramine to learn more about it, but I doubt you need to worry yourself.[/QUOTE] so no danger in this then considering I don't use MDMA habitually? I've been having chest pains today but I can't tell if its because it actually hurts or if its because I'm worrying. I've never heard anyone get complications from a experience similar to mine so idk. it felt really bad when it happened, I felt it through my entire body. felt like every single blood vessel in my body was about to pop

So i might be going to seattle this weekend at night when the city is quiet to trip balls. Just walk the quiet streets and trip balls. Im more of a "the journey is the destination" type person, and the idea of city tripping sounds nice with all of the eye candy to look at. I was thinking about tripping during daytime, but i know theres going to be a lot of people which is why i want to ask about others experiences tripping around a lot of people.

[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;52933808]Does anyone here remember a while back when Stormcharger was around and he started using some online class website to learn programming and shit? Does anyone remember the name of the website, or know of other learning websites to learn programming skills?[/QUOTE] Coursera? What happened to Stormcharger anyway?

[QUOTE=PredGD;52935647]so no danger in this then considering I don't use MDMA habitually? I've been having chest pains today but I can't tell if its because it actually hurts or if its because I'm worrying. I've never heard anyone get complications from a experience similar to mine so idk. it felt really bad when it happened, I felt it through my entire body. felt like every single blood vessel in my body was about to pop[/QUOTE] MDMA is still a strong stimulant, so if one has a weak heart to begin with, it could potentially be dangerous, but structural issues don't develop unless you use it extensively over years.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52935647]felt like every single blood vessel in my body was about to pop[/QUOTE] Doesn't sound like symptoms of a heart problem tbh. [i]Probably[/i] the combo of LSD + MDMA + weed's temporary HR increase was enough to give you [url=https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/heart-palpitations/]temporary heart palpitations[/url]. If they continue to persist see a doctor, but anxiety could also cause the feeling of them persisting the day after.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;52936263]Coursera? What happened to Stormcharger anyway?[/QUOTE] He asked to be perma'd. Rip Bro of DD.

What are y'all opinions on AL-LAD?

I did some reading on how MDMA works and learned that the neurotoxicity is caused by dopamine accidentally entering serotonin axons where they're broken down into hydrogen peroxide, where the dopamine is straight up toxic to the cell which is worsened by the hydrogen peroxide oxidizing parts of the cell that normally don't oxidize. there was a study where they destroyed rats dopamine terminals, effectively terminating the production of dopamine in their brain and as a result, MDMA did no damage whatsoever to their serotonin cells. this left me wondering about why there is no alternative to MDMA that doesn't release dopamine at all? if such a drug was out there, couldn't that be taken to reach a similar high to MDMA just without the neurotoxicity? does MDMA cause the release of dopamine to begin with or is it more of a side effect caused by the massive release of serotonin? would it even be possible to create a drug that causes a similar release in serotonin like MDMA but also blocks the release of dopamine for the duration of the drugs effect? another thing that caught my attention was that using an SSRI (like prozac) about 6 hours after taking the MDMA, you'll practically erase the neurotoxicity of the MDMA due to the SSRI blocking the uptake of molecules into the serotonin axon, meaning that no dopamine can accidentally wander off into a serotonin axon. why isn't this a recommended practice among people who use MDMA? is it because there might be complications if the SSRI is taken too early, leaving too much serotonin stuck in the synapse?

[QUOTE=PredGD;52943392]I did some reading on how MDMA works and learned that the neurotoxicity is caused by dopamine accidentally entering serotonin axons where they're broken down into hydrogen peroxide, where the dopamine is straight up toxic to the cell which is worsened by the hydrogen peroxide oxidizing parts of the cell that normally don't oxidize. there was a study where they destroyed rats dopamine terminals, effectively terminating the production of dopamine in their brain and as a result, MDMA did no damage whatsoever to their serotonin cells. this left me wondering about why there is no alternative to MDMA that doesn't release dopamine at all? if such a drug was out there, couldn't that be taken to reach a similar high to MDMA just without the neurotoxicity? does MDMA cause the release of dopamine to begin with or is it more of a side effect caused by the massive release of serotonin? would it even be possible to create a drug that causes a similar release in serotonin like MDMA but also blocks the release of dopamine for the duration of the drugs effect? another thing that caught my attention was that using an SSRI (like prozac) about 6 hours after taking the MDMA, you'll practically erase the neurotoxicity of the MDMA due to the SSRI blocking the uptake of molecules into the serotonin axon, meaning that no dopamine can accidentally wander off into a serotonin axon. why isn't this a recommended practice among people who use MDMA? is it because there might be complications if the SSRI is taken too early, leaving too much serotonin stuck in the synapse?[/QUOTE] MDAI just releases serotonin and not dopamine, and trust me, dopamine is very much central to why MDMA is so fun. Using an SSRI to reduce neurotoxicity is an established thing, but yeah, the dopamine is where most of the euphoria and stimulation comes from. :)

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52943913]MDAI just releases serotonin and not dopamine, and trust me, dopamine is very much central to why MDMA is so fun. Using an SSRI to reduce neurotoxicity is an established thing, but yeah, the dopamine is where most of the euphoria and stimulation comes from. :)[/QUOTE] MDMA is basically an amphetamine/hallucinogen hybrid drug. The euphoria comes from the amphetamine-like effects, the visuals and cognitive changes are a mix of both.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52943392]I did some reading on how MDMA works and learned that the neurotoxicity is caused by dopamine accidentally entering serotonin axons where they're broken down into hydrogen peroxide, where the dopamine is straight up toxic to the cell which is worsened by the hydrogen peroxide oxidizing parts of the cell that normally don't oxidize. there was a study where they destroyed rats dopamine terminals, effectively terminating the production of dopamine in their brain and as a result, MDMA did no damage whatsoever to their serotonin cells. this left me wondering about why there is no alternative to MDMA that doesn't release dopamine at all? if such a drug was out there, couldn't that be taken to reach a similar high to MDMA just without the neurotoxicity? does MDMA cause the release of dopamine to begin with or is it more of a side effect caused by the massive release of serotonin? would it even be possible to create a drug that causes a similar release in serotonin like MDMA but also blocks the release of dopamine for the duration of the drugs effect? another thing that caught my attention was that using an SSRI (like prozac) about 6 hours after taking the MDMA, you'll practically erase the neurotoxicity of the MDMA due to the SSRI blocking the uptake of molecules into the serotonin axon, meaning that no dopamine can accidentally wander off into a serotonin axon. why isn't this a recommended practice among people who use MDMA? is it because there might be complications if the SSRI is taken too early, leaving too much serotonin stuck in the synapse?[/QUOTE] MDAI and a number of other MDA and MDMA analogues only release serotonin and cause no neurotoxicity. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDAI[/url] Also, lmao when I put MDAI into the search engine the first result was an ad for eBay that said "Great deals on Mdai. Buy It New, Buy It Used, Buy It Now!". Ebay be hustlin'. EDIT: damn, I'm late as hell.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52943913]MDAI just releases serotonin and not dopamine, and trust me, dopamine is very much central to why MDMA is so fun. Using an SSRI to reduce neurotoxicity is an established thing, but yeah, the dopamine is where most of the euphoria and stimulation comes from. :)[/QUOTE] I've always been under the impression that the serotonin release is what gives most of the desirable effects from MDMA and that there isn't much dopamine released by MDMA. of course more than normal release but I didn't think it would be nearly enough to alter the experience too much. learn something new everyday anyone tried MDAI before? if so, how different is it from regular MDMA? haven't heard about it before.

[QUOTE=PredGD;52944227]I've always been under the impression that the serotonin release is what gives most of the desirable effects from MDMA and that there isn't much dopamine released by MDMA. of course more than normal release but I didn't think it would be nearly enough to alter the experience too much. learn something new everyday anyone tried MDAI before? if so, how different is it from regular MDMA? haven't heard about it before.[/QUOTE] My understanding is it's a combination of both. Serotonin release and reuptake inhibition causes the relaxing, empathetic effects and a few other things, while dopamine release and reuptake inhibition causes the traditional stimulant effects such as talkativeness, increased heart rate, appetite suppression, euphoria, bruxism, etc. Serotonin release increases euphoria in combination with dopamine but it's not really responsible for it in and of itself. It's more complicated than that but that's the basic gist of it. It's been a while since I've done any research on it so I'm kind of rusty. I'm not that interested in MDMA these days. Stimulants fuck with my anxiety too much, though MDMA is definitely one of the better ones. Also for what it's worth you probably just had an anxiety attack induced by cannabis and made stronger by the candy flip. Cannabis alone sometimes gives me a lot of anxiety which can cause chest pains, and the chest pains make you more anxious in the end, causing more anxiety, which can cause more chest pains, etc. It's highly unlikely that it's a sign of permanent damage and the continued chest pains are probably just hangover effects. Don't be afraid to go to a doctor if it persists, though, but it's probably wholly unnecessary and is probably just anxiety and typical stimulant side effects/after effects. I've never tried MDAI though I know quite a few people who have and I've read quite a few reports. It's significantly less potent mg per mg compared to MDMA and is very relaxing with no stimulation and much less euphoria, it's often reported as being rather sedating as well if I remember correctly. The effects are typically really subtle but it's still an empathogen and an entactogen (increases tactile effects, makes you more sensitive to touch and whatnot which causes euphoria, "OMG YOUR HAIR IS SO SOFT" kind of shit but it's much less intense without any dopamine activity). A lot of people mix it with some kind of stimulant or another empathogen which releases dopamine to get a wider spectrum of effects in an attempt to mimic MDMA [url]https://erowid.org/chemicals/mdai/mdai.shtml[/url] It's an interesting compound. I wouldn't say it's incredibly recreational but again I've never tried it, just done a good bit of reading on it.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52944302]My understanding is it's a combination of both. Serotonin release and reuptake inhibition causes the relaxing, empathetic effects and a few other things, while dopamine release and reuptake inhibition causes the traditional stimulant effects such as talkativeness, increased heart rate, appetite suppression, euphoria, bruxism, etc. Serotonin release increases euphoria in combination with dopamine but it's not really responsible for it in and of itself. It's more complicated than that but that's the basic gist of it. It's been a while since I've done any research on it so I'm kind of rusty. I'm not that interested in MDMA these days. Stimulants fuck with my anxiety too much, though MDMA is definitely one of the better ones. Also for what it's worth you probably just had an anxiety attack induced by cannabis and made stronger by the candy flip. Cannabis alone sometimes gives me a lot of anxiety which can cause chest pains, and the chest pains make you more anxious in the end, causing more anxiety, which can cause more chest pains, etc. It's highly unlikely that it's a sign of permanent damage and the continued chest pains are probably just hangover effects. Don't be afraid to go to a doctor if it persists, though, but it's probably wholly unnecessary and is probably just anxiety and typical stimulant side effects/after effects. I've never tried MDAI though I know quite a few people who have and I've read quite a few reports. It's significantly less potent mg per mg compared to MDMA and is very relaxing with no stimulation and much less euphoria, it's often reported as being rather sedating as well if I remember correctly. The effects are typically really subtle but it's still an empathogen and an entactogen (increases tactile effects, makes you more sensitive to touch and whatnot which causes euphoria, "OMG YOUR HAIR IS SO SOFT" kind of shit but it's much less intense without any dopamine activity). A lot of people mix it with some kind of stimulant or another empathogen which releases dopamine to get a wider spectrum of effects in an attempt to mimic MDMA [url]https://erowid.org/chemicals/mdai/mdai.shtml[/url] It's an interesting compound. I wouldn't say it's incredibly recreational but again I've never tried it, just done a good bit of reading on it.[/QUOTE] thinking back at it, then yeah I'm starting to think the "exploding heart" was just some sort of anxiety response. I was having vivid out of body experiences where I could see myself in four dimensions so probably not too far fetched to think that my mind fabricated the severity of my heart pumping MDAI sounds interesting. sounds like a high that is more in the background that makes you happy. kinda like an amphetamine just instead of motivation and energy, its just happiness.

[QUOTE=Chocolate.;52943954]MDMA is basically an amphetamine/hallucinogen hybrid drug. The euphoria comes from the amphetamine-like effects, the visuals and cognitive changes are a mix of both.[/QUOTE] That's what I said though? [editline]3rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;52944206]MDAI and a number of other MDA and MDMA analogues only release serotonin and cause no neurotoxicity. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDAI[/url] Also, lmao when I put MDAI into the search engine the first result was an ad for eBay that said "Great deals on Mdai. Buy It New, Buy It Used, Buy It Now!". Ebay be hustlin'. EDIT: damn, I'm late as hell.[/QUOTE] MDA releases dopamine too, although the ratio of 5-HT to dopaminergic activity is higher for MDA, hence it causing stronger visuals. [editline]3rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=PredGD;52944227]I've always been under the impression that the serotonin release is what gives most of the desirable effects from MDMA and that there isn't much dopamine released by MDMA. of course more than normal release but I didn't think it would be nearly enough to alter the experience too much. learn something new everyday anyone tried MDAI before? if so, how different is it from regular MDMA? haven't heard about it before.[/QUOTE] MDAI is not really worth it. MDAI is nothing like MDMA in effects, despite structural similarities, and it is rather dull. MDAI combined with mephedrone is fantastic though. Bear in mind also that a lot of the empathetic effects from MDMA are due to oxytocin, and MDAI does not release oxytocin. Finally, whilst MDAI is not neurotoxic, it can still cause excitoxicity. [editline]3rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;52944302]My understanding is it's a combination of both. Serotonin release and reuptake inhibition causes the relaxing, empathetic effects and a few other things, while dopamine release and reuptake inhibition causes the traditional stimulant effects such as talkativeness, increased heart rate, appetite suppression, euphoria, bruxism, etc. Serotonin release increases euphoria in combination with dopamine but it's not really responsible for it in and of itself. It's more complicated than that but that's the basic gist of it. It's been a while since I've done any research on it so I'm kind of rusty. I'm not that interested in MDMA these days. Stimulants fuck with my anxiety too much, though MDMA is definitely one of the better ones. Also for what it's worth you probably just had an anxiety attack induced by cannabis and made stronger by the candy flip. Cannabis alone sometimes gives me a lot of anxiety which can cause chest pains, and the chest pains make you more anxious in the end, causing more anxiety, which can cause more chest pains, etc. It's highly unlikely that it's a sign of permanent damage and the continued chest pains are probably just hangover effects. Don't be afraid to go to a doctor if it persists, though, but it's probably wholly unnecessary and is probably just anxiety and typical stimulant side effects/after effects. I've never tried MDAI though I know quite a few people who have and I've read quite a few reports. It's significantly less potent mg per mg compared to MDMA and is very relaxing with no stimulation and much less euphoria, it's often reported as being rather sedating as well if I remember correctly. The effects are typically really subtle but it's still an empathogen and an entactogen (increases tactile effects, makes you more sensitive to touch and whatnot which causes euphoria, "OMG YOUR HAIR IS SO SOFT" kind of shit but it's much less intense without any dopamine activity). A lot of people mix it with some kind of stimulant or another empathogen which releases dopamine to get a wider spectrum of effects in an attempt to mimic MDMA [url]https://erowid.org/chemicals/mdai/mdai.shtml[/url] It's an interesting compound. I wouldn't say it's incredibly recreational but again I've never tried it, just done a good bit of reading on it.[/QUOTE] Appetite suppression is also caused by 5-HT3 agonists, I believe.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52944421]That's what I said though?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just adding to the conversation. [editline]3rd December 2017[/editline] Has anyone here actually used Datura? I have no interest in using it but it sounds like an intense experience.