The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high - General

I havent been smoking as frequently as i used to so my tolerance is leveling out slowly, i decided to hit this weed vape and surprise surprise im getting high as fuck now. If i tripped and smoked i might ego death

EVERY dealer I know is out of weed at the end of the year. This is a HUGE error

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;52996594]ok so xanax and ketamine is basically the phantom cigar from mgsv, it's like time moves at 10x the speed it usually does, like that literally took me half an hour to type out even though it feels like five minutes ago, though thay might have een doen to th espellh... I'm giving up woth the rest of this post its too mcuh effort [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] time's weird and subjective af try not to think Bout it too much [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] spellcheck was the word i was looking for[/QUOTE] Try being on ketamine in IRC. It will change your worldview on conversations, you don't normally realise how much effort your brain spends interpreting and responding during simple chat.

dude im just going to say this again, kratom is legit as fuck. does anybody have any experience with withdrawal? (preferrably somebody who also has experience with withdrawal from other opioids, because it seems a lot of people who withdraw from kratom alone over-exaggerate it)

Kratom withdrawals are opiate withdrawals just like the rest, it's just hard to give yourself strong withdrawals due to it's relative lack of potency. [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] Talking of opiates, I have 2CB, DHC, ketamine and weed for Christmas Day. GONNA BE GUD.

spending the holidays sober is gonna be so bad

[QUOTE=SataniX;52998373]Kratom withdrawals are opiate withdrawals just like the rest, it's just hard to give yourself strong withdrawals due to it's relative lack of potency.[/QUOTE] Everybody on the Internet keeps talking about how it doesn't compare to opiates, etc, but like I was on the needle for a while man and high doses of kratom truly make me feel like I'm on dope.

[QUOTE=Raizo;52998396]spending the holidays sober is gonna be so bad[/QUOTE] I feel like if you need a drug to enjoy the holidays, that's pretty bad, as well. Then again, I'm really wanting some kind of fun as well, and also seeking drugs, so I'm a hypocrite. Kinda sucks being lonely in times like this.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52998373]Kratom withdrawals are opiate withdrawals just like the rest, it's just hard to give yourself strong withdrawals due to it's relative lack of potency. [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] Talking of opiates, I have 2CB, DHC, ketamine and weed for Christmas Day. GONNA BE GUD.[/QUOTE] It's not due to the lack of potency, it's due to the actual pharmacological profile of Mytraginine and 7-hydroxymytraginine. I forget the exact details but iirc they don't destroy some of the opioid receptors they bind to after long periods of agonism, which is what most other opioids do, so it's physically unable to produce withdrawals of the same intensity as other opioids no matter how much you take. That's not to say it won't cause similar withdrawals, it definitely does, but it's [I]nothing[/I] like other opioids.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;52998826]It's not due to the lack of potency, it's due to the actual pharmacological profile of Mytraginine and 7-hydroxymytraginine. I forget the exact details but iirc they don't destroy some of the opioid receptors they bind to after long periods of agonism, which is what most other opioids do, so it's physically unable to produce withdrawals of the same intensity as other opioids no matter how much you take. That's not to say it won't cause similar withdrawals, it definitely does, but it's [I]nothing[/I] like other opioids.[/QUOTE] I'm curious if stuff like ritalin(substituted phenethylamines) and substituted cathinones have the same level of damaging excitotoxicity as stimulants like methamphetamine, since to my knowledge they aren't releasing agents. I have no idea where to start looking.

[QUOTE=Jrose14;52995223]These bitcoin fees are astoundingly high, like 24$ base on the site I usually use, whats causing this huge processing fee hike?[/QUOTE] bitcoin is too fucking unstable and people trading it are clogging servers so fees rise or something i paid like 30 bucks in fees to get some coin through to hopefully get in all my shit before the holidays are over.

[QUOTE=lifehole;52998876]I'm curious if stuff like ritalin(substituted phenethylamines) and substituted cathinones have the same level of damaging excitotoxicity as stimulants like methamphetamine, since to my knowledge they aren't releasing agents. I have no idea where to start looking.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure, my interest is mostly in dissociatives and psychedelics. I do know Methylphenidate is non-neurotoxic, but I did a bit of searching ("methylphenidate excitotoxicity" in DuckDuckGo) and it seems that it may cause excitotoxicity. I'm sure it varies from compound to compound too much to say for sure whether substituted phenethylamines/substituted cathinones in general are the same or worse/better than methamphetamine.

[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;52997963]dude im just going to say this again, kratom is legit as fuck. does anybody have any experience with withdrawal? (preferrably somebody who also has experience with withdrawal from other opioids, because it seems a lot of people who withdraw from kratom alone over-exaggerate it)[/QUOTE] I had a 200mg Oxy habit for about 5 years, and it is not as bad, although I would argue there's a feverish sensation that actually is worse that hits about 24 hours after taking your last dose of Kratom and persists for about a day. Otherwise, the agitation, sickness and stuff is not as bad as Oxy. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=lifehole;52998876]I'm curious if stuff like ritalin(substituted phenethylamines) and substituted cathinones have the same level of damaging excitotoxicity as stimulants like methamphetamine, since to my knowledge they aren't releasing agents. I have no idea where to start looking.[/QUOTE] I don't think ritalin can, because it is just a DRI, but cathinones like mephedrone (4-methylmethcathinone) probably causes neurotoxicity due to increasing levels of both dopamine and serotonin. I don't know about excitoxicity though. :)

just got the rift and i kiiiinda wish i at least had a bit of dck left to try it with it oh well weed should be cool enough, maybe i'll get my hands on some dxm and try it like that [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] i do still have some shrooms and acid left... that might be interesting. i ain't even going to try fucking with DMT with it [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] man why did MXE have to disappear :cry:

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52999493]just got the rift and i kiiiinda wish i at least had a bit of dck left to try it with it oh well weed should be cool enough, maybe i'll get my hands on some dxm and try it like that [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] i do still have some shrooms and acid left... that might be interesting. i ain't even going to try fucking with DMT with it [editline]22nd December 2017[/editline] man why did MXE have to disappear :cry:[/QUOTE] I used to own the HTC Vive, it wasn't as fun to use with drugs as I had hoped. there was something weird about hallucinations from LSD and 2C-B where as soon as I put the headset on, my vision cleared up to sober levels. I remember once where I had taken 2C-B and put the VR headset on to play Audioshield and Tilt Brush. as soon as I couldn't see the real world and all I saw was the VR world, I felt sober. not only visuals but everything else too. taking it back off, the effects came back like they had always been there (obviously). no idea why I had the experience I had or if its a common thing. I suspect it might have something to do with looking at a screen compared to actually seeing the world

[QUOTE=PredGD;52999569]I used to own the HTC Vive, it wasn't as fun to use with drugs as I had hoped. there was something weird about hallucinations from LSD and 2C-B where as soon as I put the headset on, my vision cleared up to sober levels. I remember once where I had taken 2C-B and put the VR headset on to play Audioshield and Tilt Brush. as soon as I couldn't see the real world and all I saw was the VR world, I felt sober. not only visuals but everything else too. taking it back off, the effects came back like they had always been there (obviously). no idea why I had the experience I had or if its a common thing. I suspect it might have something to do with looking at a screen compared to actually seeing the world[/QUOTE] [url]http://soundselfgame.com/[/url] maybe a game like this would be different?

[QUOTE=lifehole;52998707]I feel like if you need a drug to enjoy the holidays, that's pretty bad, as well. Then again, I'm really wanting some kind of fun as well, and also seeking drugs, so I'm a hypocrite. Kinda sucks being lonely in times like this.[/QUOTE] I'm the grinch, but when I'm high I give back the presents I ripped from Whoville and have a feast with them and bone the mayors wife [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] you tell me whats better

[QUOTE=PredGD;52999569]I used to own the HTC Vive, it wasn't as fun to use with drugs as I had hoped. there was something weird about hallucinations from LSD and 2C-B where as soon as I put the headset on, my vision cleared up to sober levels. I remember once where I had taken 2C-B and put the VR headset on to play Audioshield and Tilt Brush. as soon as I couldn't see the real world and all I saw was the VR world, I felt sober. not only visuals but everything else too. taking it back off, the effects came back like they had always been there (obviously). no idea why I had the experience I had or if its a common thing. I suspect it might have something to do with looking at a screen compared to actually seeing the world[/QUOTE] i feel like a dissociative would work pretty well for it, in that case. on psychs i can never really immerse myself in games but on dissos i get heavily into it, to the point where i quite literally only see the game

okay guys i'm not one of the lucky ones, i'm officially withdrawing from phenibut not nearly as bad as people on the internet make it out to be though. i think people make a huge deal out of it because they have never had any negative experiences with other drugs than this weird excuse for a "nootropic". yeah i feel like shit but whoever the fuck said this shit is worse than xanax withdrawal had no idea what they were talking about

[QUOTE=AgentBoomstick;53000179]okay guys i'm not one of the lucky ones, i'm officially withdrawing from phenibut not nearly as bad as people on the internet make it out to be though. i think people make a huge deal out of it because they have never had any negative experiences with other drugs than this weird excuse for a "nootropic". yeah i feel like shit but whoever the fuck said this shit is worse than xanax withdrawal had no idea what they were talking about[/QUOTE] I cut down from a 2 pills a day Lorazepam habit of 6 years over 6 months and found it surprisingly okay, so genetic mutation plays a big role in how much one feels withdrawal of a particular drug class. Considering that Phenibut is considered alike to Gabapentin, I imagine I would despise the W/Ds, as I have been stuck without my 3.6Grams of Gabapentin before and after 3 days, it was absolute torture, with me vomiting constantly. 3.6G is a lot though, in fact the maximum dose, so I would not expect it to be that bad. I found cold turkey off a 200mg Oxy habit for 14 days preferable to day 3 of Gabapentin W/Ds.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;53000243]I cut down from a 2 pills a day Lorazepam habit of 6 years over 6 months and found it surprisingly okay, so genetic mutation plays a big role in how much one feels withdrawal of a particular drug class. Considering that Phenibut is considered alike to Gabapentin, I imagine I would despise the W/Ds, as I have been stuck without my 3.6Grams of Gabapentin before and after 3 days, it was absolute torture, with me vomiting constantly. 3.6G is a lot though, in fact the maximum dose, so I would not expect it to be that bad. I found cold turkey off a 200mg Oxy habit for 14 days preferable to day 3 of Gabapentin W/Ds.[/QUOTE] Yeah, to be fair, I was on like a [I]lot[/I] of Xanax this summer every day for a month and experienced no negative effects after stopping (except for hearing about all of the shit I did in that month). I was also shooting smack every day for a month and a half and stopped with no real withdrawals to speak of. I thought I was in withdrawal but I think I just felt like shit this morning. Took a nap and I feel fine, so I'm going back to believing I'm one of the lucky ones. Definitely need to take a tolerance break, though. I can slam down 3 grams and not feel much.

[QUOTE=SataniX;52997579]Try being on ketamine in IRC. It will change your worldview on conversations, you don't normally realise how much effort your brain spends interpreting and responding during simple chat.[/QUOTE] i would but I don't think I'd remember shit while phantomed [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] i mean, i did it again last night and have no recollection of anything between 5pm and when i woke up at 1pm today. this is gonna be one of those non-recreational utilitarian combos that is best saved for use as a heavy physical and emotional painkiller, [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] which is hopefully not for a long time

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52999984]i feel like a dissociative would work pretty well for it, in that case. on psychs i can never really immerse myself in games but on dissos i get heavily into it, to the point where i quite literally only see the game[/QUOTE] I've taken just below hole doses of MXE and a few other dissociatives while playing video games before and it literally felt like I became my character. It's like I don't notice I'm using the controller and it just feels like I'm moving them as I would move my own body. Intense immersion in video games and movies/television is probably one of my favorite aspects of dissociatives besides the creativity boost and the effects on one's perception of gravity. I can't even begin to imagine how amazing it would be to do that with a VR headset. I bet I would completely forget I'm in VR after a bit and probably end up trying to walk around and end up destroying my house though lol. Anyway, does anyone else here play an instrument? I play banjo, guitar, ukulele and a little bass and I got into the habit a while ago of only playing when I'm stoned or dissociated and I'm noticing now that I'm not doing either one and just staying sober minus kratom, it's much more difficult to freestyle. I haven't forgotten anything that I've learned, but it's just harder to come up with interesting rhythms and melodies on the fly. When I was doing 3-MEO-PCP I could freestyle like a maniac for hours and it was amazing, and it's not like it just sounded good at the time, I have videos of myself playing and they were legitimately good even when I listen to them sober. I've managed to mostly get over it by just getting into the habit of practicing every day and I'm mostly back to where I was, but it's still annoying. Anyone else have this kind of experience?

Yeah I play bass as well (just bass though, I've had it forever, not enough money atm to branch out) Also, IME practicing 1 hour a day every day in the week > practicing the equivalent amount of time spread out through the week. The good thing about everyday habits is that once they're cemented, it almost feels weird NOT to do it, and it gets way easier to keep on top of things.

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53000895]Damn son that "Fakka" designer drug is crazy as shit. My mate works at a hospital and they've got a guy in that apparently took it, his liver decided to quit first immediately followed by his kidneys. Now more and more organs are starting to fail. Don't know if that's normal or if it was cut with some bad shit or just badly synthesized, but jesus guys stay away from that shit please. - Mom PS: Been sober (nothing but caffeine max 5 times a week) for 2,5 months now, not counting the couple of beers I had when going out with a mate in the UK. I'm liking it a lot, being a lot more productive in general, though it's been declining again since last week due to stress. Also not feeling the urge as much anymore to leave my sober state which is great for my wallet.[/QUOTE] Jesus. No that's not normal at all. The problem with Flakka is that while originally it was just A-PVP, it's now any number of random RC stimulants which vary in potency from ridiculously potent to rather weak, so there's no telling how badly he may have overdosed and what he actually took. That's why these nicknames for drugs are often rather dangerous, as it makes it easier to misrepresent what's being sold. In the case of Flakka fucking no one who buys a drug like that knows nor cares what it's actually supposed to be. It's just Flakka, and they wouldn't give two shits to verify exactly what they're ingesting and thus will never know how much to take, and the drugs that are commonly sold as Flakka, A-PHP, A-PVT, 4f-PVP, etc, etc, are mostly EXTREMELY potent stimulants that are very dangerous to overdose on. It really annoys the shit out of me as it's another example of a drug "epidemic" that could easily be solved by people informing themselves about the drugs they take. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;53000909]Yeah I play bass as well (just bass though, I've had it forever, not enough money atm to branch out) Also, IME practicing 1 hour a day every day in the week > practicing the equivalent amount of time spread out through the week. The good thing about everyday habits is that once they're cemented, it almost feels weird NOT to do it, and it gets way easier to keep on top of things.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's what I've been doing, making sure I pick up an instrument at least once a day for at least 20 minutes or so, but I pretty much always end up playing for longer. I just got into this bad habit of feeling like I need to be at least stoned to make music, and it's like it created this sort of state dependent muscle memory, which kind of killed my motivation to play while sober for a while. But yeah bass is fucking awesome, I wish I hadn't sold mine. The hand movements of clawhammer banjo and slap and pop bass are pretty similar, so I kind of fell into that play style pretty easily. I'm going to have to get another one at some point.

shit like that is why i would never buy any RC off the street, especially if they gave it some stupid nickname. i much prefer just discussing them in their straight chemical name so all parties involved know precisely what is being discussed.

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53000986]Yeah ofc responsible use of substances can be quite fun, though looking online I can see a lot of people that took a-PVP that are not recommending anyone trying it because of it's very addictive high. Anyone here have experience?[/QUOTE] It's a shit drug. I bought a gram of it years ago from a reputable vendor and tried it three times and absolutely hated it and disposed of the gram after that. It's like cocaine but less euphoric and more stimulating, it lasts about an hour total, but the come down lasts for the better part of a day. I felt irritable, depressed, jittery, anxious and had a high heart rate for quite a while every time I tried it off just low doses with one to two redoses. Doses are really low for it, too, 5-10mg is a rather stimulating dose with no tolerance and I never went over 20mg. It would often make me want to jack off pretty badly, so I would start doing that, but the fucking drug wouldn't last long enough for me to actually finish, and it would make it take longer to finish, so that made the urge to redose even stronger, but the effects were so shitty that even blue balls couldn't make me want to continue using that bullshit. A-PVP was just the first drug to go by that nickname, now there's a fucking book of pyrovalerone and prolintane analogues that people will buy and resell as Flakka. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] All that said, though, you can mitigate a lot of the negative side effects with proper harm reduction. The come down sucked and it wasn't a very fun drug to begin with, but at no point did I feel crazy or uncontrollable or anything remotely reminiscent of what you see in the news. It was just standard stimulant bullshit with a worse come down.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52999984]i feel like a dissociative would work pretty well for it, in that case. on psychs i can never really immerse myself in games but on dissos i get heavily into it, to the point where i quite literally only see the game[/QUOTE] shit why didn't I think of this when I still had my Vive. there was this one time where I took ketamine and holed hard where I thought I was Adam Jensen. I was playing through Mankind Divided at the time and I was utterly convinced I was this badass augmented person even tho I was just lying in bed. good stuff anyway, my mom shared a status on facebook the other day about someone who lost their son to MDMA. pretty sad stuff but I can't help but get really frustrated at the same time. the post was the typical anti-drug etc and it frustrates me that the people who lose family members and friends to drugs are the ones that are indirectly supporting fatalities to begin with. if only drugs had been on the regulated market, we wouldn't have so many deaths either since people get pure product and not imposter drugs. its fucked up. make it illegal, make everyone hate it, have impure and imposter substances show up, someone dies and pops up in the news, and now everyone got another reason to keep it illegal. its a perpetual circlejerk in real life

[QUOTE=PredGD;53001736]shit why didn't I think of this when I still had my Vive. there was this one time where I took ketamine and holed hard where I thought I was Adam Jensen. I was playing through Mankind Divided at the time and I was utterly convinced I was this badass augmented person even tho I was just lying in bed. good stuff anyway, my mom shared a status on facebook the other day about someone who lost their son to MDMA. pretty sad stuff but I can't help but get really frustrated at the same time. the post was the typical anti-drug etc and it frustrates me that the people who lose family members and friends to drugs are the ones that are indirectly supporting fatalities to begin with. if only drugs had been on the regulated market, we wouldn't have so many deaths either since people get pure product and not imposter drugs. its fucked up. make it illegal, make everyone hate it, have impure and imposter substances show up, someone dies and pops up in the news, and now everyone got another reason to keep it illegal. its a perpetual circlejerk in real life[/QUOTE] Is there actually proof MDMA did it? MDMA very rarely kills people. I have even read a few cases of people accidentally taking about 1.5 grams of it, when a normal dose is about 200mg, and surviving fine.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;53001805]Is there actually proof MDMA did it? MDMA very rarely kills people. I have even read a few cases of people accidentally taking about 1.5 grams of it, when a normal dose is about 200mg, and surviving fine.[/QUOTE] none at all. my bet is that they're assuming it was MDMA since their son probably thought he took MDMA. I'm thinking it must be something else that mimics the effects of MDMA but is more dangerous. I too have read stories of heavy abuse and MDMA binges and rarely do I ever hear about anyone dying from that. worst case scenario, they fuck up their brain