The Addicts' Lounge IV - fast times at Ridgemont, high

[Fate]

[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;53134656]Been looking into DMT a bit more, what's the difference between NN-DMT and regular?

What's the deal with the crystalline form too?[/QUOTE]

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine = NN-DMT = DMT

[source]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53133922]how did it go?[/QUOTE]

Good, but unpredictable. The comeup hit me like a truck so I decided like any smart move to smoke copious amounts of weed. It actually made the trip rougher but more fun at the sme time. I deeply apologize if i go on tangents cause it's the day after the trip and im still scatterbrained :v:

The visuals were definitely stronger and more defined in this trip more than any other cause of the weed. Is that how its supposed to happen? tracers were every where and the walls were pulsing to my current stress level (which was low at the time.). When i went to the bathroom, the walls changed color to my current stress level, colors being either green, blue or orange. The thing about LSD that makes it such a weird drug is it fucks with everything you ever know and love, lifting some sort of "grand illusion" about the world that I would have never caught normally, leaving me very confused, in awe and sometimes a little scared everywhere I go. Theres so much tangents and i can go in about on this topic.

I havent tried high doses, but I definitely think the confusion and "lost factor(s)" increase the higher the dose. if one thought gets in your head, the whole concept and everything along with it envelops your brain until it's all you can think about, and its hard to switch out of that thoughtloop unless you force yourself. Unfortunately what happens is if its something even miniscule sets it off, youll get trapped in a cycle of thinking about the same topic over and over. Most of the time it isnt even bad, but it can be. I lost my phone a week ago and when i thought about that while tripping it threw me into a thoughtcycle of self loathing and how i am a disgrace to my family and waste of resources. Ouch. Its definitely good at revealing underlying insecurities and cycles.

I figured out that i am scared of being alone and want my life to have purpose, but why do i need purpose? I could go on and on about these topics forever, but one thing i was struggling with while tripping that ill always be hung up on, is how im gonna be stuck in a 'trip' for the next 90 years, stuck in a cycle of consciousness, experience, regrets, hardship, and happiness i cant get out of, dealing with this up and down rollercoaster we call "life." We are just very civilized animals trying to survive in the world through whatever means

[vlad]

[QUOTE=sourcegamer101;53134784]Good, but unpredictable. The comeup hit me like a truck so I decided like any smart move to smoke copious amounts of weed. It actually made the trip rougher but more fun at the sme time. I deeply apologize if i go on tangents cause it's the day after the trip and im still scatterbrained :v:

The visuals were definitely stronger and more defined in this trip more than any other cause of the weed. Is that how its supposed to happen? tracers were every where and the walls were pulsing to my current stress level (which was low at the time.). When i went to the bathroom, the walls changed color to my current stress level, colors being either green, blue or orange. The thing about LSD that makes it such a weird drug is it fucks with everything you ever know and love, lifting some sort of "grand illusion" about the world that I would have never caught normally, leaving me very confused, in awe and sometimes a little scared everywhere I go. Theres so much tangents and i can go in about on this topic.

I havent tried high doses, but I definitely think the confusion and "lost factor(s)" increase the higher the dose. if one thought gets in your head, the whole concept and everything along with it envelops your brain until it's all you can think about, and its hard to switch out of that thoughtloop unless you force yourself. Unfortunately what happens is if its something even miniscule sets it off, youll get trapped in a cycle of thinking about the same topic over and over. Most of the time it isnt even bad, but it can be. I lost my phone a week ago and when i thought about that while tripping it threw me into a thoughtcycle of self loathing and how i am a disgrace to my family and waste of resources. Ouch. Its definitely good at revealing underlying insecurities and cycles.

I figured out that i am scared of being alone and want my life to have purpose, but why do i need purpose? I could go on and on about these topics forever, but one thing i was struggling with while tripping that ill always be hung up on, is how im gonna be stuck in a 'trip' for the next 90 years, stuck in a cycle of consciousness, experience, regrets, hardship, and happiness i cant get out of, dealing with this up and down rollercoaster we call "life." We are just very civilized animals trying to survive in the world through whatever means[/QUOTE]

yeah, weed will escalate the trip by a large degree and cause a lot of hallucinations. if I smoke weed when taking LSD or 2C-B (and any other psychedelic most likely), I won't be able to see the outside world anymore due to the clusterfuck of hallucinations. massive mindfuck imo.

I can relate to the the last part you said, I'm not too fond of it either. life has no purpose, whatever we do won't matter and in the grand scale of things we might as well not exist due to how insignificant we are. I mean, we're just a collection of dead things that somehow found the perfect balance of chemicals to self replicate into what we are today. there is no soul and there is no "you" inside the brain, all we are is the brains way of surviving in the world. a complex hallucination that we strongly believe is us.

but if we're first gonna "live", we might as well just make the best out of it and not stress too much about all those other things. the world is a shitty place but that doesn't mean our personal lives have to be shitty too

[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=SataniX;53134123]Any other disso use, could be cross tolerance?[/QUOTE]

nah, I haven't touched ketamine since August last year and I haven't tried any other dissos. I've only done ket twice this week. I've heard people talk about tolerance being a bitch with ketamine tho so maybe it's something like that. people claim once you got some tolerance, it's going to stay there for a long time. not sure how true that is

[source]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53134935]yeah, weed will escalate the trip by a large degree and cause a lot of hallucinations. if I smoke weed when taking LSD or 2C-B (and any other psychedelic most likely), I won't be able to see the outside world anymore due to the clusterfuck of hallucinations. massive mindfuck imo.

I can relate to the the last part you said, I'm not too fond of it either. life has no purpose, whatever we do won't matter and in the grand scale of things we might as well not exist due to how insignificant we are. I mean, we're just a collection of dead things that somehow found the perfect balance of chemicals to self replicate into what we are today. there is no soul and there is no "you" inside the brain, all we are is the brains way of surviving in the world. a complex hallucination that we strongly believe is us.

but if we're first gonna "live", we might as well just make the best out of it and not stress too much about all those other things. the world is a shitty place but that doesn't mean our personal lives have to be shitty too [/QUOTE]
Yea this really hung me up while tripping but im glad i am not alone here.

Also bojack horseman is fucking great while tripping its like the show is designed for watching on acid

[Patrick]

my mate got some unaccounted for drugs from his work. a bottle of temazepam and some tranqs (not sure what he got). we had some of the temazepam and smoked up, it was fucking sick.

[Mugofdoom]

[QUOTE=Anubis678;53133301]Jesus, I can related to that lmao. Unfortunately, nothing takes my anxiety away these days. Kratom comes closer than most things, though.

The withdrawals are definitely light compared to other drugs, but they can still be a bitch. If I go more than 24 hours without it, I start feeling pretty shitty. I keep telling myself I'm going to ween off (if only to kill my tolerance), but it's too cheap and easy to maintain the addiction. Besides, as far as addictions go, it's pretty benign, and it makes me much more calm and patient. 6-8g after work puts me in a nice mood.

The whites are generally my favorites. I dunno how consistent strains are across vendors, but the Horns are usually on par with the Maeng Das. Red Horn was my absolute favorite until my vendor's quality went to shit. Now I mostly take his White Horn, Super Green Horn, and Red Maeng Da.

I'm currently sitting on ~1.5lbs, of four different strains: White Horn, Super Green Horn, Red Indo Santai and Red Maeng Da. Unfortunately, it looks like the gov is trying to go at it again so I'm going to place another order this evening. Grab a few more pounds while there is time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I just got a kilo of white Maeng Da a couple days ago. I'll probably get another kilo of some other strain fairly soon. I really like whites for the stimulation and general euphoria, but reds are nice too. They're excellent for pain and helping me get to sleep and general relaxation. I usually switch back and forth, though.

This push to ban Kratom pisses me off to no end. It just goes to show that they don't give a flying fuck about anything but control and money. Prohibition has nothing to do with people's safety and the torrent of lies and pseudoscience to back it up is fucking astounding.

[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53134064]yeah that's what I'm thinking too. I tried doing 250mg split into two equal piles and put them in each nostril, no k-hole with a lot of drip and some coming out of my nose again. I tried splitting the doses up over 10 minutes another day, taking 50mg bumps every 5 minutes in each nostril and while there was a lot less drip and a lot less coming back out of my nose, I felt even closer to sober than the first time where I did all in one go.

someone on reddit claimed that 50mg IM of this batch put him straight into the k-hole which is crazy considering 250mg of this doesn't even put me close when done nasally. I know IM is a lot more efficient in terms of bioavailability but there's no way the difference is that big.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure it's real Ketamine? It could be 2-FDCK (2-Fluorodeschloroketamine), which is a fairly common analogue of Ketamine that's less potent and slightly harder to hole on, but otherwise feels almost exactly the same as Ketamine effects-wise. It also could be cut with something.

It takes a lot of use to gain a decent tolerance to dissociatives, and 250mg should be a hole dose even with a decent tolerance. It is true that it takes a while for dissociative tolerance to go down, but as little as a month will take it back to zero, it's just that if you don't take a long enough break, your tolerance will shoot back up fairly quickly after a few trips. But if it's been over six months since you last tried Ketamine there's no way tolerance is a factor unless you were inhaling nothing but K prior to quitting.

[ConcreteBath]

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;53135298]my mate got some unaccounted for drugs from his work. a bottle of temazepam and some tranqs (not sure what he got). we had some of the temazepam and smoked up, it was fucking sick.[/QUOTE]

I find temazepam to be the most boring benzo by fucking far. You just tend to get sleepy and that's pretty much it. Makes sense though since it's a hypnotic benzo.

[editline]16th February 2018[/editline]

I'm enjoying seeing a rush of old faces around here to be honest, it's been fucking years since we were kicked out of our subforum.

[vlad]

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;53135326]Are you sure it's real Ketamine? It could be 2-FDCK (2-Fluorodeschloroketamine), which is a fairly common analogue of Ketamine that's less potent and slightly harder to hole on, but otherwise feels almost exactly the same as Ketamine effects-wise. It also could be cut with something.

It takes a lot of use to gain a decent tolerance to dissociatives, and 250mg should be a hole dose even with a decent tolerance. It is true that it takes a while for dissociative tolerance to go down, but as little as a month will take it back to zero, it's just that if you don't take a long enough break, your tolerance will shoot back up fairly quickly after a few trips. But if it's been over six months since you last tried Ketamine there's no way tolerance is a factor unless you were inhaling nothing but K prior to quitting.[/QUOTE]

nope, all I got is the vendor telling me it's S-isomer ketamine. maybe I should invest in those test kits huh.

just came out of a k-hole, that was a nice experience. 300mg made me skirt the hole, 200mg 40 minutes later threw me into the hole. its a shame that I need 0.5g to hole on this stuff. fantastic experience though. I understand why people use this stuff for depression, it is so nice to view your own life without any negative thoughts at all. simply see it as it is.

[Anubis678]

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;53135326]Yeah I just got a kilo of white Maeng Da a couple days ago. I'll probably get another kilo of some other strain fairly soon. I really like whites for the stimulation and general euphoria, but reds are nice too. They're excellent for pain and helping me get to sleep and general relaxation. I usually switch back and forth, though.[/QUOTE]
Since my tolerance is so goddamn high, I threw caution to the wind and just started making custom blends. If I really need a good kratom "nod", I'll throw in some of all of em and push the dose.

Whites used to be fairly stimulating for me, and I miss that. That's part of the reason I want to take a tolerance break. As far as euphoria goes, I can't say I get much of that either, but 8-10g of any strain is going to have me feeling gooooood. Sedation in itself is euphoria for me.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;53135326]This push to ban Kratom pisses me off to no end. It just goes to show that they don't give a flying fuck about anything but control and money. Prohibition has nothing to do with people's safety and the torrent of lies and pseudoscience to back it up is fucking astounding.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this shit really irritates me too. Apparently it's an opioid because some of the alkaloids act upon the opioid receptors? C'mon, anybody with half a brain and a modicum of drug knowledge knows that's complete horseshit. The only reason they're pushing to ban this is that they know it will undercut the pharmaceutical industry. This is another one of those miracle plants, with a nearly limitless amount of positive medical/therapeutic benefits, without any real possibility of financial windfall from its manufacture/distribution.

That being said, I doubt they're going to succeed in scheduling it. They keep trying, and they keep failing. Last I heard (and this was back in late 2016/early 2017), the campaign to keep it legal and unregulated was being spearheaded by a very influential public figure (for the life of me, can't remember who). In addition to heavy political influence, this guy is also directly tied to the "dietary supplement" lobby. This is one of the few occasions where political self-interest will work in our favor, as he is using that influence to fight to keep kratom on HIS side (likely so that they can become a major manufacturer/distributor).

I dunno, I'm currently sitting on ~500g and I've got another 2 kilo coming in the mail. I'm going to work on weaning off and learning to make it last. Until then, though...

Just prepped up 8.5g of some Super Green Horn. Here goes...

[editline]16th February 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53135763]just came out of a k-hole, that was a nice experience[/QUOTE]

What's a k-hole like? I've always wanted to experience it, but I can't get my hands on ketamine. I had it once (as a courtesy of a "friend"), but it never came back my way.

[Patrick]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;53135517]I find temazepam to be the most boring benzo by fucking far. You just tend to get sleepy and that's pretty much it. Makes sense though since it's a hypnotic benzo.[/QUOTE]

i've never taken benzos before (as far as i know, at least not for fun) and it was pretty sweet. we had some chilled out indica and it just gave me these awesome rushes through my body.

[vlad]

[QUOTE=Anubis678;53135840]
What's a k-hole like? I've always wanted to experience it, but I can't get my hands on ketamine. I had it once (as a courtesy of a "friend"), but it never came back my way.[/QUOTE]

it's like ego death in a way, just a lot more confusing. every day things like language, your identity, where you are and what you are will get scrambled. your thoughts make no sense and you lose track of time. I usually forget I've taken drugs too due to how scrambled my memories and thoughts get which adds another layer of confusion. the hallucinations in the k-hole is a lot more 'realistic' compared to psychedelics. there's not any color distortions from my experience, only warping and bending. CEVs are absolutely bonkers. it's like you're flying through this dreamscape or ghost world, with abstract patterns and structures everywhere. very cold and 'industrial' hallucinations if you ask me. OEVs are present too, including out-of-body experiences. not too uncommon to start flying away from the room you're in and see it get further and further away as you enter the void.

physically it can feel like your body is being torn around. it can feel like you're weightless and flying, that you're falling, your limbs being pulled at and so on. it'll be close to impossible to move your body while in the hole due to how sedated you get. I also feel a hint of fear while in the hole but nothing like the fear you feel from bad tripping. emotions are sedated along with you and all you're left with is your own thoughts so it's hard, or next to impossible, for the fear to get any bad. the fear stems from all the confusion and losing track of time. every time I go into the k-hole, I'm just as confused as the first time and I don't know whats happening to me. the hole feels very permanent like you won't come back out and that you've been like that since forever.

all in all, it's a confusing but good experience. some people find it frightening due to the fear and confusion but others learn to appreciate it.

[Repulsion]

Any of y'all have experience with 2C-D?

[Stormcharger]

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;53134004]wait you broke out? my man I ain't seen you around in fuckin aaaaages it's been way too long

[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]

i could get a hundred xanax for cheap as fuck but thats not a route i want to go down without medical consultation as benzos can be addictive shit esp when they work so goddamn perfectly, and for me as well idk if more shit's a good idea

[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]

don't fancy rippin my teeth out when the stress compounds if i run out[/QUOTE]

By broke out do you mean escape a permaban for the second time? Then yes haha yea its been like 2 years man.

[editline]16th February 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53134935]yeah, weed will escalate the trip by a large degree and cause a lot of hallucinations. if I smoke weed when taking LSD or 2C-B (and any other psychedelic most likely), I won't be able to see the outside world anymore due to the clusterfuck of hallucinations. massive mindfuck imo.

I can relate to the the last part you said, I'm not too fond of it either. life has no purpose, whatever we do won't matter and in the grand scale of things we might as well not exist due to how insignificant we are. I mean, we're just a collection of dead things that somehow found the perfect balance of chemicals to self replicate into what we are today. there is no soul and there is no "you" inside the brain, all we are is the brains way of surviving in the world. a complex hallucination that we strongly believe is us.

but if we're first gonna "live", we might as well just make the best out of it and not stress too much about all those other things. the world is a shitty place but that doesn't mean our personal lives have to be shitty too

[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]

nah, I haven't touched ketamine since August last year and I haven't tried any other dissos. I've only done ket twice this week. I've heard people talk about tolerance being a bitch with ketamine tho so maybe it's something like that. people claim once you got some tolerance, it's going to stay there for a long time. not sure how true that is[/QUOTE]

Life having no purpose is great though. Its just like OI YOURE CONCIOUS MATE
and youre like well fuck what do I do.
I DUNNO LOL WHATEVER YOU WANT
and for some reason thats hard, but I think gaining as much pleasure as possible is the goal.

I dont think the world is a shitty place though, it just is. It has some shit and some good but its really just what you make of it.

[Patrick]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53136545]it's like ego death in a way, just a lot more confusing. every day things like language, your identity, where you are and what you are will get scrambled. your thoughts make no sense and you lose track of time. I usually forget I've taken drugs too due to how scrambled my memories and thoughts get which adds another layer of confusion. the hallucinations in the k-hole is a lot more 'realistic' compared to psychedelics. there's not any color distortions from my experience, only warping and bending. CEVs are absolutely bonkers. it's like you're flying through this dreamscape or ghost world, with abstract patterns and structures everywhere. very cold and 'industrial' hallucinations if you ask me. OEVs are present too, including out-of-body experiences. not too uncommon to start flying away from the room you're in and see it get further and further away as you enter the void.

physically it can feel like your body is being torn around. it can feel like you're weightless and flying, that you're falling, your limbs being pulled at and so on. it'll be close to impossible to move your body while in the hole due to how sedated you get. I also feel a hint of fear while in the hole but nothing like the fear you feel from bad tripping. emotions are sedated along with you and all you're left with is your own thoughts so it's hard, or next to impossible, for the fear to get any bad. the fear stems from all the confusion and losing track of time. every time I go into the k-hole, I'm just as confused as the first time and I don't know whats happening to me. the hole feels very permanent like you won't come back out and that you've been like that since forever.

all in all, it's a confusing but good experience. some people find it frightening due to the fear and confusion but others learn to appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

taking psychedelics is a real eye opener. thats just chemicals in your brain, what you see, what you hear, what you feel, thats all just chemicals in your brain too. it makes reality seem like an illusion.

[ConcreteBath]

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;53135952]i've never taken benzos before (as far as i know, at least not for fun) and it was pretty sweet. we had some chilled out indica and it just gave me these awesome rushes through my body.[/QUOTE]

Smoking weed on benzos is always a fun time, although you tend to go through way more fucking bud than you ever would have before though.

[Anubis678]

[QUOTE=PredGD;53136545]it's like ego death in a way, just a lot more confusing. every day things like language, your identity, where you are and what you are will get scrambled. your thoughts make no sense and you lose track of time. I usually forget I've taken drugs too due to how scrambled my memories and thoughts get which adds another layer of confusion. the hallucinations in the k-hole is a lot more 'realistic' compared to psychedelics. there's not any color distortions from my experience, only warping and bending. CEVs are absolutely bonkers. it's like you're flying through this dreamscape or ghost world, with abstract patterns and structures everywhere. very cold and 'industrial' hallucinations if you ask me. OEVs are present too, including out-of-body experiences. not too uncommon to start flying away from the room you're in and see it get further and further away as you enter the void.

physically it can feel like your body is being torn around. it can feel like you're weightless and flying, that you're falling, your limbs being pulled at and so on. it'll be close to impossible to move your body while in the hole due to how sedated you get. I also feel a hint of fear while in the hole but nothing like the fear you feel from bad tripping. emotions are sedated along with you and all you're left with is your own thoughts so it's hard, or next to impossible, for the fear to get any bad. the fear stems from all the confusion and losing track of time. every time I go into the k-hole, I'm just as confused as the first time and I don't know whats happening to me. the hole feels very permanent like you won't come back out and that you've been like that since forever.

all in all, it's a confusing but good experience. some people find it frightening due to the fear and confusion but others learn to appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

Jesus christ that sounds incredible.

[Inzal]

is it weird for me to struggle with the idea of my partner using pills

after my history (with everything) it feels hypocritical,
part of me wants to do them with her too and help her avoid the pitfalls where I can
part of me wants to be like just don't cos I just want her to be safe

I'm not like against her using drugs in the first place,
with stuff like weed I know she's gonna be safe and it doesn't really bother me,
just pills are unpredictable and she never goes to the effort of testing them before taking them,

not that I ever did either but i'm also worried about other stuff too like if her and her friends get in too deep and it becomes a necessity as opposed to an option for when they go out and that kind of thing

I know I can't really stop her or ask her to stop because that's not really the right approach here and I don't want to be controlling (her level of use isn't really excessive either) but it's stressful at times and I just dunno how to like, let go of it/the anxiety towards it properly

[g-foxisus]

no not at all, especially if you're an ex-addict yourself, it can be hard on both of you.

it might even be a deal-breaker for your relationship to end should her abuse spiral out of control. you should at least communicate this with her and how you feel about this.

[Inzal]

[QUOTE=G-foxisus;53138849]no not at all, especially if you're an ex-addict yourself, it can be hard on both of you.

it might even be a deal-breaker for your relationship to end should her abuse spiral out of control. you should at least communicate this with her and how you feel about this.[/QUOTE]

we have communicated about it a fair bit but it tends to get a bit argumentative... probably my own fault because the topic usually comes up when i'm stressed about it so I don't communicate as effectively

I don't know that I could just flat out leave her spiralling out of control if it went down that path.
I hope it doesn't, but I know that if I just leave in that situation it'll create a deeper void in her life,
i'd probably try to help support her as best I could, to the extend that I could anyway, before the last resort of moving on with my own life if there was no other real option left

[g-foxisus]

addiction is especially fiendish as people who abuse want to stop rationally, but continue doing drugs which not only harms people around them (family, friends, spouse and even work situations) but also betrays their trust and even then they continue after they've lost everything as then it's the only thing they can hold on to. even professional help might not be enough; one might need a complete shift in everything (ditching friends they did drugs with, moving out of the environment they do drugs in etc).

is there any reason behind her behaviour? anxiety? depression? or is it purely recreational? the latter might make it "easier" to quit an addiction, unless we're talking about opioids or heavy stims.

and also, what was your reason behind lessening or stopping drugs?

[Inzal]

[QUOTE=G-foxisus;53138866]addiction is especially fiendish as people who abuse want to stop rationally, but continue doing drugs which not only harms people around them (family, friends, spouse and even work situations) but also betrays their trust and even then they continue after they've lost everything as then it's the only thing they can hold on to. even professional help might not be enough; one might need a complete shift in everything (ditching friends they did drugs with, moving out of the environment they do drugs in etc).

is there any reason behind her behaviour? anxiety? depression? or is it purely recreational?[/QUOTE]

recreation and peers. It's not that excessive at the moment, but she doesn't see why i'm concerned about it becoming a bigger issue over time with the probability of their use becoming more frequent and etc simply because /nothing bad has happened yet/

my reason for distancing myself from drugs were pretty uhm... there was a lot of things... a lot of bad experiences, a lot of trial and error and a huge deal of denial that led to immense mental struggle in my day to day life;
but in the end it was family and seeing the effect my use was having on them that kinda snapped me out of it. Mainly a conversation I had with my brother

I still smoke weed and drink occasionally but I that's kinda where I draw my line these days, that's after a lot of difficulty getting away from everything else though. Still need an outlet sometimes and both serve their purpose in different ways

[g-foxisus]

at first there is some kind of "honeymoon" period with drugs where everything works out, no real side effects and "controlled use". Once you get so infatuated with drugs that you need them to function and be "normal", its time to look at stopping or greatly lessening them.

Might be harsh to say, but if she doesn't see the dangers now, she will first have to face them to knock her back into reality. but being in an environment where everyone you know (friends) do drugs, its incredibly difficult to stop. make sure you are available and willing to listen to her, and also note when she goes too far (so to speak)

You having experience with drugs themselves will give some anecdotal evidence that doing drugs can go awry, and knowing how to combat this yourself, you can help her with that as well

communication in this is very important

[Legend286]

Got a bowl to finish vaping and a bunch of abv to eat with some peanut butter sandwiches, gonna play LA Noire and hopefully not become a couch potato..

[JustExtreme]

Just vaped some Gelato that I got hold of for 15gbp a gram when I couldn't get anything else. Anyone else tried?

[editline]18th February 2018[/editline]

Can I get an invite to the discord?

[joshthesmith]

Anyone use dream around here? I think it just died which sucks cause that's where I get my shit from

I mean vendors seem to be quitting, should be more specific

[Stormcharger]

Going to hot water beach today. Going with a Maori girl, a German girl and an Italian girl.
Should be a fun day, we even bringing a big tent to stay the night.

It's called hot water beach because you dig down in the sand and you find some fucking hot water, it's an awesome geothermal thing.

Should have some jays and beers in the afternoon/evening so will he an awesome chill day.

[Anubis678]

[QUOTE=Inzal;53138840]is it weird for me to struggle with the idea of my partner using pills

after my history (with everything) it feels hypocritical,
part of me wants to do them with her too and help her avoid the pitfalls where I can
part of me wants to be like just don't cos I just want her to be safe

I'm not like against her using drugs in the first place,
with stuff like weed I know she's gonna be safe and it doesn't really bother me,
just pills are unpredictable and she never goes to the effort of testing them before taking them,

not that I ever did either but i'm also worried about other stuff too like if her and her friends get in too deep and it becomes a necessity as opposed to an option for when they go out and that kind of thing

I know I can't really stop her or ask her to stop because that's not really the right approach here and I don't want to be controlling (her level of use isn't really excessive either) but it's stressful at times and I just dunno how to like, let go of it/the anxiety towards it properly[/QUOTE]

I often wonder the same thing. I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I also know that twisted path all too well, and I know how easily things can get out of control. I think it takes experience to truly understand addiction.

At the same time, it also presents you with a unique opportunity to guide someone around those pitfalls. If I've learned anything, it's that you can't stop someone from doing something they've got their heart set on. What you can do, however, is provide the support they need to stay safe while experimenting. Your experiences offer insight that she does not have, and she needs to respect that and listen to you. But she won't unless you show her the respect of acknowledging her "right" to experiment as you did.

Telling her she can't may run the risk of driving her away, to do them with someone else. To do them more recklessly, and without guidance. To do them with someone that doesn't care enough about her safety to keep an eye on her. You don't have to encourage her drug use, but don't try to control her either. Walk that middle ground, and teach her how to walk it too. And if she does start to slip, be there to pull her back. Teach her responsible, informed use. Teach her harm reduction. Make sure she has an in-depth understanding of the chemicals she takes. Force her to sit on Erowid for a few hours. Personally, I'm very glad I started my exploration with a modicum of responsibility and drug knowledge, even if I later threw caution to the wind in favor of reckless abandon. I'll tell you this: when I wanted to self-destruct and live in a chemical haze, there wasn't a damn person in the world that could have stopped me. But if I had someone that guided me rather than judged me (or, even worse, encouraged me and used me as an excuse to indulge their own debauchery), maybe things would have gone differently. I'm not trying to dodge responsibility for my actions, but there's a truth to peer influence.

The most important thing is to keep an open dialogue with her about it. Don't let it become a touchy subject, and absolutely do not get to the point where she feels she can't talk to you about it. I know that you know this all firsthand, but I still feel like I have to say it. Perhaps it's not us being hypocrites. Perhaps our experience comes with a certain obligation to be a "role model" (in a very nontraditional sense) for people that could benefit from what we've learned.

But I could be way off-base here. This could just be a blend of projection and misinterpretation.

[editline]18th February 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=G-foxisus;53139056]at first there is some kind of "honeymoon" period with drugs where everything works out, no real side effects and "controlled use". Once you get so infatuated with drugs that you need them to function and be "normal", its time to look at stopping or greatly lessening them.[/QUOTE]
This is something that every novice drug user needs to hear and take to heart.

Until my senior year of high school, I was a self-avowed straight-edge. No tobacco, no alcohol, no weed, and definitely no other drugs. I was keeping my "temple" pure.

Senior year of high school, a catalytic life event radically changed the way I saw the world. I started experimenting, but at first it was just alcohol and weed. I said I'd never touch anything else. Actually, I started with cigarettes, which made me friends and put me in the "cool & edgy" crowd. Then I got invited to parties. Then I got offered weed. Then I fell in love with intoxication.

Six months later, it was alcohol, weed, dxm and shrooms.

A year after that, it was alcohol, weed, dxm, shrooms, acid, ecstasy (this was before pure molly really took over the scene), lsa, salvia, nitrous, random ethnobotanicals.

Four years out of high school, I'm a functional tweaker sporting a raging amphetamine habit, refusing to acknowledge that I'm well on my way to addiction. But amphetamines didn't cause physical addiction, so I was okay, right? This was also around the time I had started experimenting with coke/crack (but only once in a blue moon, of course), and I had gotten to the point where I would do pretty much anything that came my way.

Ten years later, and here I am. I've got a "what I've done" list that makes all of my friends flinch. I've done all of the drugs that were on my "never touch" list. I've burned bridges and lost friends, and done things that I can never undo. I've put myself in some of the worst of positions for a buzz, and taken risks that I'd never expected myself to have taken. I've come close to OD'ing several different times on several different things, and I had punched my way so deep down the rabbit hole that I had lost track of the light at the top.

If the person I was ten years ago could see the person I am now, he would be shellshocked. Somewhere along the way, I abandoned nearly everything that had made me [i]me[/i]. Over the last two years, I've clawed my way back, but I'll never be that person again. For better and for worse. I've grown substantially, and for the most part, I respect the person that I've become. I don't regret much, but I will always regret the decisions I made that hurt the people I care about, and I'll never forget the callousness with which I made a lot of those decisions.

If I could tell the person I was ten years ago one thing, I don't know what it would be. It wouldn't be "don't do drugs". Maybe it would be "please be smart" or "please listen to the warnings". Maybe it'd be "stay home that day" or "it's not worth it, don't go with him." Or maybe it'd be as simple as "those people are not your friends, and your real friends want you back."

I dunno. All I know is that hindsight is 20/20 and regret will eat you alive if you let it.

[Inzal]

Well she's not like completely inexperienced with drugs, she's been using things like weed and psychs probably as long as i have.. She's just recently got into mdma a bit because she never got a good pill until recently. Were pretty open with our history with these kinda things, she knows why I'm concerned and all that and truth be told I trust her to know if she starts going to far with it, but I worry it'll creep up before she realizes and if that time comes it will have a negative impact on her social circle (again sometimes the only way to get away from it is to stop seeing people you're caught up with it in)

On the plus side it's not like every weekend or anything near that , culture in my area seems to be strongly in favor of that kind of habit because drinks are expensive and no one seems to care about risk factor

Tricky but i know I gotta be patient and open, not harsh or judgemental

[cis.joshb]

Went to the dispensary and got some literally straight purple weed. I was so shocked it was one of the strains they had my usual deal on, it wasn't costly at all. Smoked with a homie afterwards. Went to his homie's house, had some coffee and cigarettes. Had some weak ass molly caps that my friend sold me for a quarter of what he paid, we tested them and they tested like MDMA.

I ended up having to taste a lot of it because it kind of got all over the inside of the bag somehow. That shit was straight salty, and not as bitter and weirdly caustic and sour as the other MDMA I've tasted. Tasted very much like baking soda with a bit of MDMA or meth in it. It was probably just heavily cut, but actually MDMA. Was barely coming up, feeling a bit social and definitely wasn't lacking energy. I finally met up with another friend to buy the other half of a pill (I had bought the first half almost a month ago: very fucking strong).

Took the half-pressed pill, felt my real comeup start. Quickly entered the anxious phase but I'm used to it at this point so I just laid around and went from indoors to outdoors back and forth because I wasn't comfortable with any temperature. Eventually started to feel the party. I stood up, and was greeted with my friend offering me a line of coke. I took a little more than half of it, didn't want to strain myself too much but also didn't want to be rude. Then I packed the bit of DMT I had left (I hung out with the extractor and he let me scrape what I could out of some old dishes, I got a few trips worth) and was saving for a moment like this, and smoked it, sharing a bit with my friend.

The body high hit me like always, like weird gravity and being lifted into the sky and feeling like it's coming from inside your body out, and like you're turning into pure energy or something. And I see my friend's tattoos spread over his hole body. Then I begin to be unable to tell what the ceiling really looks like and which details I'm hallucinating. Lay back and spread out, pooled like water, to give the least resistance to gravity. Had some closed eye visuals but all the stimulants I was on made me want to open my eyes. I actually felt a drive to smoke DMT on this combination because it was pretty fucking euphoric and I was not anxious at all, and all the visuals were welcome.

After that I smoked some more weed, a cig or two, and got some more lines from my friend. Starting to comedown from the MDMA and soon to comedown from the coke, I got home ~an hour ago and popped the 22.5mg of adderall IR that I meant to take with me today. Oh well, probably for the best I didn't have it on hand to strain my heart even further earlier. Good fucking night. I've been wanting to do psychedelics and MDMA for quite a while, and I even found an acid plug tn as well. I recommend MDMA for realizing what a beautiful person you are. Make sure to do it with good friends, I did it with some of my closest homies and it was worth it.

[Clovis]

[QUOTE=Anubis678;53141807]I often wonder the same thing. I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I also know that twisted path all too well, and I know how easily things can get out of control. I think it takes experience to truly understand addiction.

... *snip*[/QUOTE]
My god man, this is so me. In fact, I distinctly remember a thread in the old Drugs Discussion sub forum where we were supposed to list all the drugs we'd taken, and mine dwarfed everybody elses. That was... yeah, something of an example of how I'd really started taking too much. I also take Kratom sometimes, although it tastes fuckin' bad, well, it's more that it's lumpy and I hate that as it makes me gag.

To whoever asked about 2C-D, I've had it and it was okay. I'd rather have 2C-B or something, but it's a pretty mild hallucinogen/stimulant, if memory serves.