[QUOTE=laserpanda;52893015]I don't really get the hate for Hearthstone. Yeah there's microtransactions, but card packs for physical card games work the same way and no one's mad at Wizards of the Coast.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because it's not a physical card game?
There is not a single reason for HS to stick to the limitations of physical games that is beneficial to the player
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52895002]Blaming Blizzard for something Valve started is kinda shitty.[/QUOTE]
You're right, Valve did start it, but Overwatch was undeniably the catalyst of this modern wave of the lootbox craze. So to then be poking fun at another company for bombing it is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
[QUOTE=Dookas;52893792]PAnd unrelated to this argument but loot boxes imo are a bigger problem in OW because they are most of the content we recievd in the game, juse new lootboxes with flashy skins[/QUOTE]
????
3 heroes, 2 new maps or something, with one of each coming along soon aswell, a few events (which aren't really all that amazing and are rehashed), balancing (although no map balancing...)
You actually get quite a bit of new content from Blizzard games.
Don't forget CSGO's updates: a bunch of new crates to open with a buttload of new skins per year, balancing and bug fixing, and remaking maps, with maybe a new overpowered weapon that gets nerfed to being useless inbetween. And those actually cost money to open.
But hey at least its not BF2.
[editline]16th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52893612]I'm only regurgitating points from [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDid1UNyg8"][B]this video here[/B][/URL], but, as the video puts it:
And, as Jim points out, if you look at [B][URL="https://www.giantbomb.com/loot-boxes/3015-9059/games/"]this incomplete list of games with lootboxes[/URL][/B], you will see that in the period between TF2 adding lootboxes ([B][URL="https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Mann_Co._Supply_Crate#Update_history"]September 30, 2010[/URL][/B]) and Overwatch being released (May 23, 2016), there were 15 games released with lootboxes.
Compared to the time since Overwatch's release (May 23, 2016) to now (November 15, 2017), there have been [B]24 games[/B] released with lootboxes.
For those who don't want to do the math, the "games with lootboxes per year" went from 2.65 (15 games divided by 67.77 months, multiplied by 12) to [B]16.2[/B] (24 games divided by 17.77 months, multiplied by 12). That is over [B]6 times as many games with lootboxes per year[/B], since Overwatch's release.
To say that Valve "started" lootboxes is a fair statement. To say that Valve made them popular is horseshit - [B]that[/B] title belongs to Overwatch.
The numbers speak for themselves.[/QUOTE]
If nobody started it, nobody would have popularized it either.
And I honestly think Varoufakis is the one who led Valve down the shitter.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;52893031]Keys are a currency. Opening one loot box costs one key. It's not a bullshit unfair currency but it's a currency.
And if you factor in trading there absolutely are currencies there, they're just market-driven as opposed to being official and set in stone.[/QUOTE]
keys are only a currency due to trading and a lack of currency. A key does exactly what it says on the tin: it opens a crate. Nothing more and nothing less. You can't use the key to purchase other items on the store.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52895060]????
3 heroes, 2 new maps or something, with one of each coming along soon aswell, a few events (which aren't really all that amazing and are rehashed), balancing (although no map balancing...)
You actually get quite a bit of new content from Blizzard games.
Don't forget CSGO's updates: a bunch of new crates to open with a buttload of new skins per year, balancing and bug fixing, and remaking maps, with maybe a new overpowered weapon that gets nerfed to being useless inbetween. And those actually cost money to open.
But hey at least its not BF2.
[editline]16th November 2017[/editline]
If nobody started it, nobody would have popularized it either.
And I honestly think Varoufakis is the one who led Valve down the shitter.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting overwatch added limited time events with limited time maps, and limited time skins. People who didn't play during those events didn't get to enjoy any new content afterwards. And because they were limited time, it encouraged people to buy lootboxes in order to get the skins they wanted before it ended.
Everything CS:GO adds is near permanent (except old maps lol rip dust), and due to trading, accessible at any time. Same goes for TF2.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52892579]as far as I know overwatch was the first $60 game to push lootbox skins.
i'd be interested if anybody could name another one before it.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Advanced_Warfare]Two years prior[/url]
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;52895029]You're right, Valve did start it, but Overwatch was undeniably the catalyst of this modern wave of the lootbox craze. So to then be poking fun at another company for bombing it is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.[/QUOTE]
It's still not fair to blame Blizzard when even if their lootbox practices in Overwatch have been scummy, they've remained purely cosmetic and they aren't selling you heroes, maps, or anything else other than skins.
Blizzard isn't perfect but they are millions of miles ahead of EA and it's absolutely insane to shoulder any blame on them when they've done a lot to foster goodwill towards their communities.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;52895085]You're forgetting overwatch added limited time events with limited time maps, and limited time skins. People who didn't play during those events didn't get to enjoy any new content afterwards. And because they were limited time, it encouraged people to buy lootboxes in order to get the skins they wanted before it ended.
Everything CS:GO adds is near permanent (except old maps lol rip dust), and due to trading, accessible at any time. Same goes for TF2.[/QUOTE]
I won't defend their lootbox practices with insane coin costs and duplicates everywhere but skins are completely optional and the game has received a fair amount of free content with nothing locked behind payments.
I'm not trying to suck Blizzard's cock and they should definitely get some flak for their lootboxes, I ripped them during the Olympic event and received tons of negative comments for it in fact, but they are seriously on the lesser side of things.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52893618]if cosmetics don't affect gameplay, then explain the anomaly that is people who still play apb to me
because apb plays like a fucking garbage fire but has the best customization of any game ever, and most people ive seen playing it spend most of the time in the social district customizing their characters and cars[/QUOTE]
Of course people are going to spend more time playing dress up if the system allows for it. Yet when you get into a match in APB you still play exactly the same no matter how much time you've spent customising* your character or vehicle. That's why you still see people in starter gear at gold rank.
Also you might think people [i]only[/i] play it for the customisation but I keep going back to it every now and then because I genuinely enjoy the gameplay, despite its glaring issues. Take out the customisation and I honestly don't think that changes, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
[i]*Talking purely [b]cosmetic[/b] stuff here, we all know APB has a shitload of actual P2W weapons and shit as well[/i]
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52895060]????
3 heroes, 2 new maps or something, with one of each coming along soon aswell, a few events (which aren't really all that amazing and are rehashed), balancing (although no map balancing...)
You actually get quite a bit of new content from Blizzard [/QUOTE]
I'm aware there has been a good bit of content but let''s not kid ourselves 8 events in 1 year is far too many, at least for all events to give content the same way with limited boxes i'd mucheck rather for at least half of those events to bare minimum be put in perma loot boxes
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52895185]It's still not fair to blame Blizzard when even if their lootbox practices in Overwatch have been scummy, they've remained purely cosmetic and they aren't selling you heroes, maps, or anything else other than skins.[/QUOTE]
I'll agree with you that they're definitely not the egregious offenders, but if you could just buy their funbucks or had a higher chance to get newer items, i'd be a bit more on your side. I know you've touched on this in your post, but as it is, i can't really stand by the defense that it's just cosmetics when all of their events have been summed up as "either buy a bunch of loot boxes or grind for hours (especially if you're a high level) to still prolly not get what you want."
As well, if it were just the holiday skins, fine, since those roll back around, but with events like Insurrection that have lore-tied skins that we have no idea if we'll ever see again, that bothers me a lot. And frankly, the end of year one event was just a slap in the face.
So yeah, to sum up again 'cause i kinda got long winded, they're certainly not the worst, but they have a deserving spot in all this just the same.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;52895436]I'll agree with you that they're definitely not the egregious offenders, but if you could just buy their funbucks or had a higher chance to get newer items, i'd be a bit more on your side. I know you've touched on this in your post, but as it is, i can't really stand by the defense that it's just cosmetics when all of their events have been summed up as "either buy a bunch of loot boxes or grind for hours (especially if you're a high level) to still prolly not get what you want."
As well, if it were just the holiday skins, fine, since those roll back around, but with events like Insurrection that have lore-tied skins that we have no idea if we'll ever see again, that bothers me a lot. And frankly, the end of year one event was just a slap in the face.
So yeah, to sum up again 'cause i kinda got long winded, they're certainly not the worst, but they have a deserving spot in all this just the same.[/QUOTE]
I think theres a big distinction behind locking cosmetic content behind timegates and actually selling direct upgrades and making the only way to feasibly gain access to content is paying for it like with EA.
Overwatch has released free maps and heroes and you have more opportunity to unlock skins now than at launch without a sleight of hand increase in cost elsewhere, and they listened to community feedback and changed boxes so that you can't get duplicates.
If it cost $5 or 5000 coins to play the Insurrection event, that would be a problem. I can't tell you to not give a fuck about skins but they are wholly insignificant when compared to companies locking actual, real content off.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52896338]I think theres a big distinction behind locking cosmetic content behind timegates and actually selling direct upgrades and making the only way to feasibly gain access to content is paying for it like with EA.
Overwatch has released free maps and heroes and you have more opportunity to unlock skins now than at launch without a sleight of hand increase in cost elsewhere, and they listened to community feedback and changed boxes so that you can't get duplicates.
If it cost $5 or 5000 coins to play the Insurrection event, that would be a problem. I can't tell you to not give a fuck about skins but they are wholly insignificant when compared to companies locking actual, real content off.[/QUOTE]
Like i said I wholly agree with you that Blizzard is far and away a lesser of the evils [sp]no Diablo pun intended[/sp] but my point stands that they none the less have a place on the shit list here, no matter how far down it they are.
[QUOTE]Smell that? I love that smell in the morning.
Smells like hyprocrisy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crumpet;52892641]for some reason the original implementations in tf2 and early csgo never bothered me as much as what they've become.
rocket league is pretty fine too imo[/QUOTE]
Rocket League is fine because they're 100% cosmetic and a lot of the money made goes towards prize pools for competitive stuff so that's actually really cool
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;52899691]Anyone who thinks cosmetics don't effect gameplay hasn't played FFXIV[/QUOTE]
Or Planetside 2, where some of the camos severely blur the line between factions and can easily mean misidentifying an enemy and dying.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;52900298]Or Planetside 2, where some of the camos severely blur the line between factions and can easily mean misidentifying an enemy and dying.[/QUOTE]
It gets worse with the fact that the player name tags to show who is on what team doesn't work 100% of the time.
But on the other hand, aside from the implant systems, when you buy a lootcrate in PS2, you get exactly what it is you wanted.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.