I almost died trying to save a cat's life - General

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109176]I made this for a thread awhile back, where everyone was talking about murdering someone who killed a cat, so it doesn't apply too well to this thread, but you'll understand the basics. It takes a lot more evil or mental distress to kill a person for no reason. I live in a town, a relatively rich town, pretty rich actually. Last murder before last year was in 1995, so it is also safe as hell. I didn't know the person who was murdered, but when someone in your community is murdered for no reason, by someone who didn't have any reason to even be there (the murderer was legit crazy, and didn't live in our town anyway) who was just there visiting for his birthday for his kids and grandkids for a few days, everyone cares, I am pretty close to the grandchild of the poor man (he was 70 or so) and I can honestly tell you that I get pretty fucking sad when I think that people have the capacity to just, for no reason, murder an innocent old man. So I want you to think about this, do you really think a human life and a cat's life are even comparable? A cat who lives 15 years, or a human who lives 70, a cat who helps a family emotionally, or a human who can bring life into the world. [editline]02:10PM[/editline] It's selfish because if he died, he would have brought on insane amounts of sadness.[/QUOTE] Dyng from a selfess action is not selfish, period.

If you had the chance to kill your own cat, or a human you don't even know...who would you choose? [editline]02:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=wewt!;22109230]Dyng from a selfess action is not selfish, period.[/QUOTE] No...it is, dying because you think a cat is equal in value to you is selfish.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109207]Would it have a comparable amount to a human death? Hellll no. [editline]02:11PM[/editline] Not nearly as fucking much as a human Unless they're crazy[/QUOTE] Yes it would, emotionally. Of course it wouldn't matter from a logical standpoint, but if you're looking at this from that perspective, then you don't understand human nature.

I think you sir are a hero.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109106]But they wouldn't cry/be sad nearly as much if a person was killed. You realize that people in a community, a small town that doesn't see much death, they all care for someone who dies. Someone they didn't know... Someone who didn't deserve to die. If some cat dies, who gives a flying shit?[/QUOTE] Hold on! Don't rush to generalized conclusions like that. Think about why they are crying and why they aren't crying for a second. They are crying for the people they don't know because they are on one hand told by society that you must be caring to other people, even the ones you don't know. This could and should apply to animals too, really. On the other hand, they realize what was lost, thoughts, hopes, dreams, memories, existence. An animals existence is no less valid than that. Animals think too. Maybe not of the same complex things as a human, but at the basic levels, animals exist in exactly the same space of thought as a human. But people don't think about that, they do as you say they do, they just think "oh it was just a cat, it's an animal, just an animal."

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109233]If you had the chance to kill your own cat, or a human you don't even know...who would you choose? [editline]02:13PM[/editline] No...it is, dying because you think a cat is equal in value to you is selfish.[/QUOTE] He didn't think the cat was of equal value to his life, he didn't think at all. He reacted instantly, as any thought is removed instantly by our body.

In other words, adressing your latest posts; no you! Thinking cats are somehow less worth than humans is what is selfish.

[QUOTE=BmB;22109289]Hold on! Don't rush to generalized conclusions like that. Think about why they are crying and why they aren't crying for a second. They are crying for the people they don't know because they are on one hand told by society that you must be caring to other people, even the ones you don't know. This could and should apply to animals too, really. On the other hand, they realize what was lost, thoughts, hopes, dreams, memories, existence. An animals existence is no less valid than that. Animals think too. Maybe not of the same complex things as a human, but at the basic levels, animals exist in exactly the same space of thought as a human. But people don't think about that, they do as you say they do, they just think "oh it was just a cat, it's an animal, just an animal."[/QUOTE] Please...you can't really think that a cat is anywhere near as worth as a human. Yes, you can argue that emotionally you'd care more about your cat than some random person you don't know, and that's fine. But if your cat caused the death of someone, as per the op's story, wouldn't you feel really guilty/sad over the death of the person? [editline]02:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=wewt!;22109315]He didn't think the cat was of equal value to his life, he didn't think at all. He reacted instantly, as any thought is removed instantly by our body.[/QUOTE] I know, I know. I'm not blaming the OP as much as I would anyone who thinks this was a genius and totally logical idea. [editline]02:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BmB;22109338]In other words, adressing your latest posts; no you! Thinking cats are somehow less worth than humans is what is selfish.[/QUOTE] ...no

Yeah, because you thinking jumping in front of a car was going to stop the car. What if the car didn't stop in time? Stupid behavior. If you were killed I'm sure the old people would have been fucking pissed a stupid kid got killed trying to in front of a car to save their cat

Come on BmB, you're honestly saying a cat is worth just as much as a human? Cats come and go, they are generally all the same, a human is a one time thing, they are totally diverse and different in their own way, and they live for 70+ years.

"No" and "you can't" are not valid arguments. Try again.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109362]Please...you can't really think that a cat is anywhere near as worth as a human. Yes, you can argue that emotionally you'd care more about your cat than some random person you don't know, and that's fine. But if your cat caused the death of someone, as per the op's story, wouldn't you feel really guilty/sad over the death of the person?[/QUOTE] A cat is can be worth to someone emotionally, yes. I don't see what arguement you are making, you admitted yourself that a cat is as worthy of saving to some people and not to others when emotions are involved. And you can't argue against that - you're bringing in subjective opinion.

[QUOTE=wewt!;22109422]A cat is can be worth to someone emotionally, yes. I don't see what arguement you are making, you admitted yourself that a cat is as worthy of saving to some people and not to others when emotions are involved. And you can't argue against that - you're bringing in subjective opinion.[/QUOTE] There is no fucking way any sane person would choose to save a cat over a person Even if it is their own cat and some random person.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109362]I know, I know. I'm not blaming the OP as much as I would anyone who thinks this was a genius and totally logical idea. [editline]02:21PM[/editline] ...no[/QUOTE] There was no ''ideas'' involved in his action, it was just action. And that is what people are praising, they're not saying ''hey good idea bro''.

[QUOTE=BmB;22109420]"No" and "you can't" are not valid arguments. Try again.[/QUOTE] You're just being totally illogical, a cat is not = to a human. Holy shit.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109445]There is no fucking way any sane person would choose to save a cat over a person Even if it is their own cat and some random person.[/QUOTE] He wasn't saving a cat over a person. He was saving a cat. He didn't choose betweent the two [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109458]You're just being totally illogical, a cat is not = to a human. Holy shit.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point, just because someone wouldn't save a cat over a person doesn't mean they wouldn't save a cat.

I have instincts all the time, but as a sentient being I have the luxury of ignoring them. My doberman ran out in front of a car, less than 10 feet in front of me. Did I chase her? Did I try and push her out of the way? No. I made the decision to step as close to the car's path as I dared and jump and yell for them to stop. It worked, with little risk to me.

[QUOTE=wewt!;22109459]He wasn't saving a cat over a person. He was saving a cat. He didn't choose betweent the two You're missing the point, just because someone wouldn't save a cat over a person doesn't mean they wouldn't save a cat.[/QUOTE] He did choose to save a cat over a person. Though he did put that person (himself) into the harms way in the first place.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109458]You're just being totally illogical, a cat is not = to a human. Holy shit.[/QUOTE] *I'm* being illogical? Says who? The one who was completely abandoned all reasoning to make assertions based on his own feelings about how the world should work? [i][b]I'm[/b][/i] being illogical?!

You never have the inability to think, and while there are times you lose control of your impulsive knee-jerks, it is against what has made us what we are today to risk our lives for something so insignificant. Eventually people who do these things and can't ignore a gut reflex erase themselves from the gene pool.

[QUOTE=wewt!;22109459]He wasn't saving a cat over a person. He was saving a cat. He didn't choose betweent the two You're missing the point, just because someone wouldn't save a cat over a person doesn't mean they wouldn't save a cat.[/QUOTE] I know, but in this particular situation he chose between himself and a cat.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;22109484]I have instincts all the time, but as a sentient being I have the luxury of ignoring them. My doberman ran out in front of a car, less than 10 feet in front of me. Did I chase her? Did I try and push her out of the way? No. I made the decision to step as close to the car's path as I dared and jump and yell for them to stop. It worked, with little risk to me.[/QUOTE] It's not the same situation, it wasn't dark, the car had lights pointing forwards and the driver was concentrating on the road, not on his surroundings as one would on a dark road. [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109533]I know, but in this particular situation he chose between himself and a cat.[/QUOTE] His reaction was reflexive, there was no choice involved that would involve considering these factors. [QUOTE=FreakyMe;22109528]You never have the inability to think, and while there are times you lose control of your impulsive knee-jerks, it is against what has made us what we are today to risk our lives for something so insignificant. Eventually people who do these things and can't ignore a gut reflex erase themselves from the gene pool.[/QUOTE] It is true that we no longer have to rely on our reflexes and instinctual thought. It is still present though.

[QUOTE=BmB;22109522]*I'm* being illogical? Says who? The one who was completely abandoned all reasoning to make assertions based on his own feelings about how the world should work? [i][b]I'm[/b][/i] being illogical?![/QUOTE] ...yes?

[QUOTE=wewt!;22109539]It's not the same situation, it wasn't dark, the car had lights pointing forwards and the driver was concentrating on the road, not on his surroundings as one would on a dark road.[/QUOTE] Thanks for being there and narrating it for me? It was dark-ish, and the driver had her headlights off.

[QUOTE=wewt!;22109539]It's not the same situation, it wasn't dark, the car had lights pointing forwards and the driver was concentrating on the road, not on his surroundings as one would on a dark road.[/QUOTE] In that case, the cat was never in any danger. lol

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you guys are dumb, he's the only human who would have been hurt and he made the decision to put his [I]own[/I] life on the line for it. You're probably those "you don't have the right to die that's playing god" idiots.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;22109558]Thanks for being there and narrating it for me? It was dark-ish, and the driver had her headlights off.[/QUOTE] And also it is kind of hard not to notice a Russian-accented loud person running at your car yelling while waving his arms.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22109552]...yes?[/QUOTE] Wrong answer yo.

[QUOTE=Mexican;22109586]you guys are dumb, he's the only human who would have been hurt and he made the decision to put his [I]own[/I] life on the line for it. You're probably those "you don't have the right to die that's playing god" idiots.[/QUOTE] His own life on the line, that would have ruined the car driver's life, and his family's life. Yeah...get out.