• Mass Effect Andromeda: Tour of the Nexus (IGN)
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[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;51931506]What about the gay companion in Inquistion whose whole backstory is 'my dad tried to make me straight via magic'[/QUOTE] Was that a thing? Then again, that's people behind "I know you have attachment issues, don't make me an anchor, Steve".
[QUOTE=gudman;51931511]But they're the guys who came up with ME3 ending and defended it, you're asking too much from retarded people.[/QUOTE] See, I really want to believe this and rest easy knowing that Bioware's a bunch of fart-sniffing losers who can't design a female character if it was mo-capped for them, but this [I]is[/I] a company that regularly wins "Game of the Year" awards like with Inquisition.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51931510]Are you talking about Krem? The female character that wants to be considered a man [i]in a world where magic exists[/i]?[/QUOTE] Yeah, the idea of a warrior who was born a woman but vastly outclassed his peers is a fantastic concept. Nope I exist just to have a conversation about transgender people and do nothing but put map markers like a nameless npc
[QUOTE=gudman;51931525]Was that a thing? Then again, that's people behind "I know you have attachment issues, don't make me an anchor, Steve".[/QUOTE] Sadly yes [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYvPwHUyFiI[/media] The way bioware writes gay characters is so awkward and hamfisted and I'm saying that as a gay guy myself [editline]8th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51931510]Are you talking about Krem? The female character that wants to be considered a man [i]in a world where magic exists[/i]?[/QUOTE] They even acknowledge that and his reasoning is "I don't trust magic enough to tamper my body with it" identity politics and fantasy settings are like oil and water
[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;51931582]Sadly yes The way bioware writes gay characters is so awkward and hamfisted and I'm saying that as a gay guy myself [/QUOTE] Yeah that's... some representation for the struggle gays and lesbians face all right, by people who have no idea what they're doing on top of not having the word "subtlety" in their vocabulary. Although I can't help but notice that the cutscene is ten times the quality of everything we've seen so far for ME:A, that's concerning.
[QUOTE=gudman;51931525]Was that a thing? Then again, that's people behind "I know you have attachment issues, don't make me an anchor, Steve".[/QUOTE] Dorian is actually a giant asshole because it's later revealed his father doesn't care that he's gay he just needs a heir because otherwise there will be a massive war
[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;51931506]What about the gay companion in Inquistion whose whole backstory is 'my dad tried to make me straight via magic'[/QUOTE] Hey, Dorian was great. His backstory is basically almost every gay person in real life's backstory with magic thrown in, though. I think the "good ending" to his arc is getting him to understand that he should give his dad a chance and that people change. It is explicitly stated that generally in the world of Dragon Age that homophobia doesn't really exist and love is accepted as love (sort of like Elder Scrolls). The Witcher 3 actually plays up actual medieval sentiment, where populaces dehumanized folk of that ilk as seen in the famous "werewolf who is actually just a gay guy in the woods" quest. Iron Bull was also a pretty decent bisexual character. I remember back in the day when ME 3 announced that it would have male gay romance options, and many folk were talking about how they couldn't fathom playing a game where they were playing as a dude who liked dudes, even in the bisexual sense. I think we've come a long way from that.
[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;51931582]Sadly yes [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYvPwHUyFiI[/media] The way bioware writes gay characters is so awkward and hamfisted and I'm saying that as a gay guy myself [editline]8th March 2017[/editline] They even acknowledge that and his reasoning is "I don't trust magic enough to tamper my body with it" identity politics and fantasy settings are like oil and water[/QUOTE] Identity politics is shit, period. [quote] you need representation [/quote] What happened to this character does this and and this, and also just happened to have been born a different sex or happens to be attracted to _____ where _____ is openly around [i]in the background as part of a living world[/i] not in the middle of press advert or has giant floaty arrow markers over it, signifying how progressive the developers are. Posterity abhors gaudiness. Last time I checked gay and trans people were [i]people[/i] who happened to be gay or trans, not the other way around.
I've always seen people praising Bioware for LGBT representation, to the point that they even changed their flag at their workplace as some sort of champions for the effort. But their writing of such things has always been awful, like they don't actually understand gays and transgenders and just shoehorn them in to go "hey look at that, the lesbian is actually really cool and such a snarky badass that doesn't stick out at all even when we put the spotlight on her personal preferences like it's absolutely essential to know, isn't she neat" At that point you're pretty much putting that 'posterity' in a display case to make yourself look better rather than actually trying to be progressive.
ME did it fine, but it's atrocious in the Dragon Age games, like someone picked up a character sheet, looked at where they've for some reason added a sexuality box, and just took out a massive marker to write [B]GAY[/B] over like half of the character's info. Pro tip you probably won't know someone's sexuality within 5 minutes of meeting them.
[QUOTE=Zeos;51932506]ME did it fine, but it's atrocious in the Dragon Age games, like someone picked up a character sheet, looked at where they've for some reason added a sexuality box, and just took out a massive marker to write [B]GAY[/B] over like half of the character's info. Pro tip you probably won't know someone's sexuality within 5 minutes of meeting them.[/QUOTE] I personally remember Steve being handled well in Mass Effect 3. Like, it wasn't put in your face at all. It was just subtle things, like talking about losing his wife in Ferris Fields. Oh, did I say wife? I meant husband. Just, really subtle things like that. Perfectly ordinary conversation pieces, but instead of "wife", there's "husband" instead. The only place I really remember where Cortez came off strong is when he hits on Maleshep at the club - but that didn't come off strong to me because of the gay sentiment, but rather the "subordinate hitting on commanding officer" sentiment. I don't think [b]any[/b] of the other characters hit on Shepard, regardless of gender, in the way Cortez hits on Maleshep. And even then, I remember it being handled well - I'm pretty certain that the way you decline that is literally just Shepard saying "Sorry, Steve, but I'm not interested." Which is a perfectly ordinary and organic way to respond to that.
Besides Krem, do the gay characters really stand out and detract from the experience that much in Bioware games? I never really got that impression so I guess that's kinda concerning. I'm a gay dude and when I'm working on creating something that involves a fictional gay dude in it, I always worry that it'll stand out and people will eye-roll at it or dislike it.
Yeah, I was iffy about Steve, but in retrospect, he's a good character and it doesn't take precedence over, you know, him being an actual character
[video=youtube;RtWBlDC2-ss]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtWBlDC2-ss[/video] Hey you guys I found extra footage of the female krogan
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;51932776]I personally remember Steve being handled well in Mass Effect 3. Like, it wasn't put in your face at all. It was just subtle things, like talking about losing his wife in Ferris Fields. Oh, did I say wife? I meant husband. Just, really subtle things like that. Perfectly ordinary conversation pieces, but instead of "wife", there's "husband" instead. The only place I really remember where Cortez came off strong is when he hits on Maleshep at the club - but that didn't come off strong to me because of the gay sentiment, but rather the "subordinate hitting on commanding officer" sentiment. I don't think [b]any[/b] of the other characters hit on Shepard, regardless of gender, in the way Cortez hits on Maleshep. And even then, I remember it being handled well - I'm pretty certain that the way you decline that is literally just Shepard saying "Sorry, Steve, but I'm not interested." Which is a perfectly ordinary and organic way to respond to that.[/QUOTE] you mean the same steve who only survives a shuttle crash if Shepard boned him before the final mission? Just what did Bioware mean by this?
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;51932776]I'm pretty certain that the way you decline that is literally just Shepard saying "Sorry, Steve, but I'm not interested." Which is a perfectly ordinary and organic way to respond to that.[/QUOTE] yeah too bad that's considered weakshit by the dragon age writers didn't the last dragon age game literally have a moment where some elf lady fucking beats you up for flirting with her as a man because you assumed she was straight
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;51932871]you mean the same steve who only survives a shuttle crash if Shepard boned him before the final mission? Just what did Bioware mean by this?[/QUOTE] Was that a bug? I didn't romance him and I could swear I remember him surviving. I thought he only died if you were a capital A Asshole to him.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;51932871]you mean the same steve who only survives a shuttle crash if Shepard boned him before the final mission? Just what did Bioware mean by this?[/QUOTE] sperm stronk like russian weenienter [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;51932992]Was that a bug? I didn't romance him and I could swear I remember him surviving. I thought he only died if you were a capital A Asshole to him.[/QUOTE] He survives if you do the two paragon interrupts and you go with him when he makes peace with what happened, and I think they actually tried to justify it with "I made some mods to the engines, they handle better now"... I think... I'm not going to go back and check that's for sure.
I think Bioware always did have that issue of characters walking up to you and blankly reading off their character synopsis in monotone voices with little to no movement in faces or bodies, which is the typical video game cry of telling over showing, but something made me always find their characters amazing inspite of that. I think Tali (also Garrus and Wrex) is probably a great example, yes she just went up to you and said "Shepard, I have daddy issues because x, y and z" but the character synopsis she read off was of an interesting character. Plus also Tali is one of the few well voiced characters, but idk if that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;51933021]I think Bioware always did have that issue of characters walking up to you and blankly reading off their character synopsis in monotone voices with little to no movement in faces or bodies, which is the typical video game cry of telling over showing, but something made me always find their characters amazing inspite of that. I think Tali (also Garrus and Wrex) is probably a great example, yes she just went up to you and said "Shepard, I have daddy issues because x, y and z" but the character synopsis she read off was of an interesting character. Plus also Tali is one of the few well voiced characters, but idk if that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE] Tali also had the advantage of having zero facial animation other than blinking :v: That said, I could swear even generic conversations in ME2 had better animation than some of what we're seeing here in Andromeda. As far as the characters being interesting, I can reserve judgement on that. Inquisition, for its faults, had some well written characters (Varric and Blackwall being two of my favorites), and damn near all of them were likable on some level. I'll overlook shit animation if the characters are at least interesting to talk to.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51928971]Too late (spoiler for recent game), [sp]Horizon: Zero Dawn already did that.[/sp][/QUOTE] jesus christ, how about you name the game that you're spoiling?
[QUOTE=milktree;51933085]jesus christ, how about you name the game that you're spoiling?[/QUOTE] Because that would also spoil it? If someone posted "and there will probably be surprise death in this game" then you're going to spoil it if you reply "Speaking of surprise death's heres a spoiler about FF7"
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;51933045]Tali also had the advantage of having zero facial animation other than blinking :v: That said, I could swear even generic conversations in ME2 had better animation than some of what we're seeing here in Andromeda.[/QUOTE] Yeah I sorta failed to hint at that, but the alien characters always end up being better because their failed animations are much less noticeable. It's fine because Quarian's require literally no facial animation, and a Krogan's face looks so different from a human's face that little to no facial animation is done, especially considering how we look at the Krogan race anyway. The Asari did not benefit from this...
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51931113][vid]https://s1.webmshare.com/0rLWw.webm[/vid][/QUOTE] the eyebrows and eyes are the worst part about that ME conversation she just sits there with her eyes wide open and her eyebrows don't even move... except when she blinks?
Forget Witcher 3, it'd be more fair to compare this with the potato faces of Oblivion. [video=youtube;jq9TnI7ssTU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq9TnI7ssTU[/video]
How is the turian's face the most expressive?
[QUOTE=Penultimate;51933435]How is the turian's face the most expressive?[/QUOTE] Because Turian faces are meant to look like geometric nightmares, so there's not much to fuck up.
I am appalled by this game's looks. I don't even remembering the expressions being that bad in Mass Effect 1-3, but it's been a while so I can't say for sure. I do remember some character's facial expressions being a lot worse than others (like Jacob) but that's about it. Was everything this bad in Mass Effect 1-3? I don't remember anyone looking this awful, I actually liked a lot of the looks of the characters. Can someone please jog my memory? It's been a while since I've played the whole series through.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;51933244]Forget Witcher 3, it'd be more fair to compare this with the potato faces of Oblivion. -video-[/QUOTE] Damn, how the hell does a brand new game look like Oblivion facial animations? :v:
oh man this is gonna be such a failure
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