Democracy is dead in Australia. - General

I have yet to find an aussy /b/tard, which in my books, is a good thing.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18026709]No, it means that people vote for someone to represent them. It's what Australia, USA, UK, etc all use. Just because a decision is unpopular with the people, doesn't really mean the government will change it. If the government bent to the people's will all the time, or if the people voted on all decisions you'd have a direct democracy, which is impossible to maintain when you have a large populace, such as the population of Australia. For the sake of efficiency, governments must make most decisions on the people's behalf. Though there are exceptions, like referendums, though those are just used as publicity stunts.[/QUOTE] Yes but dont you think decisions such as these, with far reaching implications, should be up to us?

[QUOTE=YoMother;18026771]I'm guessing you're an American. Because that mentality is so wrong. Ugh fuck it, I'm not gonna write about all the psychology that goes behind it, research that yourself, I'm gonna play Psychonauts.[/QUOTE] Please do tell me how protecting one's life and property with force is bad? Is it really a good idea to go negotiate with a gang of people who are on drugs and are armed? Nope. In that case don't even bother waving a white flag, they'll just strangle you with it. And no, i'm not a citizen of the USA.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18026709]No, it means that people vote for someone to represent them. It's what Australia, USA, UK, etc all use. Just because a decision is unpopular with the people, doesn't really mean the government will change it. If the government bent to the people's will all the time, or if the people voted on all decisions you'd have a direct democracy, which is impossible to maintain when you have a large populace, such as the population of Australia. For the sake of efficiency, governments must make most decisions on the people's behalf. Though there are exceptions, like referendums, though those are just used as publicity stunts.[/QUOTE] I'm not questioning in the efficiency of direct democracy. I'm saying, if a decision is highly unpopular with the people, it will change, this is why it is called a democracy. If people want something to happen, a representative will stand up saying that they will do it. If they don't do it, people won't vote for them again. If they do something the people don't like, they will be voted out and the thing will change. Like the poll tax in the UK.

[QUOTE=Proj3ct_ZeRo;18026779]Yes but dont you think decisions such as these, with far reaching implications, should be up to us?[/QUOTE] Up to the PEOPLE? Never. That's the reason representative democracies are so stable, because decisions with far reaching implications are left out of the people's hands. I personally think the compulsory internet block is obscene and un-needed, especially since it doesn't actually work properly, but that doesn't mean that my government is not a democracy. I just shouldn't have voted for Rudd :V

[QUOTE=The Epidemic;18026573]Well the only way they'll find this website by searching is by googling "Garry's Mod" And Garry's Mod looks so innocent that they wouldn't even bother. Like I said, just keep your mouth shut and you'll be ok for a while[/QUOTE] Or they could google [url=www.facepunch.com]Fucking Incredible[/url]. :synpa:

[QUOTE=YoMother;18026771]I'm guessing you're an American. Because that mentality is so wrong. Ugh fuck it, I'm not gonna write about all the psychology that goes behind it, research that yourself, I'm gonna play Psychonauts.[/QUOTE] Yes, because every person in the world who makes an illogical comment is american.

Only in Australia

Indeed we shouldnt have voted for him, but hes just a scapegoat for all this. Our good friend Conroy has a lot of explaining to do.

OP better not incite a revolution, because that'd disrupt my daily viewings of Home and Away and Neighbours.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18026834]I'm not questioning in the efficiency of direct democracy. I'm saying, if a decision is highly unpopular with the people, it will change, this is why it is called a democracy. If people want something to happen, a representative will stand up saying that they will do it. If they don't do it, people won't vote for them again. If they do something the people don't like, they will be voted out and the thing will change. Like the poll tax in the UK.[/QUOTE] That can't happen all the time. Governments need to balance issues. For example, if the majority of people in Britain wanted to fire a nuke at the USA, the government's not going to do that, even if they get unpopular because of that decision not to nuke the USA. If governments sacrifice balance and stability because they want to be popular with the people's will, then there will be dire consequinces.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18026947]That can't happen all the time. Governments need to balance issues. For example, if the majority of people in Britain wanted to fire a nuke at the USA, the government's not going to do that, even if they get unpopular because of that decision not to nuke the USA. If governments sacrifice balance and stability because they want to be popular with the people's will, then there will be dire consequinces.[/QUOTE] Firing a nuclear weapon =/= wanting more freedom

[QUOTE=iamgnome;18026965]Firing a weapon =/= wanting more freedom[/QUOTE] Fix'd.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18026947]That can't happen all the time. Governments need to balance issues. For example, if the majority of people in Britain wanted to fire a nuke at the USA, the government's not going to do that, even if they get unpopular because of that decision not to nuke the USA. If governments sacrifice balance and stability because they want to be popular with the people's will, then there will be dire consequinces.[/QUOTE] Your point is moot because the people of the United Kingdom would never want to fire a nuke at the U.S.A. in the first place.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;18026602]You can always leave the country if you hate it so much.[/QUOTE] Yes, because moving out of a country is cheap and easy. Absolutely no costs, paperwork or citizenship requirements.

[QUOTE=iamgnome;18026965]Firing a nuclear weapon =/= wanting more freedom[/QUOTE] If giving more freedom to the people results in instability and chaos, then it shouldn't be given. French revolution's a good example. Though I agree, I don't agree with the internet block at all.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18026947]That can't happen all the time. Governments need to balance issues. For example, if the majority of people in Britain wanted to fire a nuke at the USA, the government's not going to do that, even if they get unpopular because of that decision not to nuke the USA. If governments sacrifice balance and stability because they want to be popular with the people's will, then there will be dire consequinces.[/QUOTE] I will say it again. If enough people are negative about something, it will change.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18026947]That can't happen all the time. Governments need to balance issues. For example, if the majority of people in Britain wanted to fire a nuke at the USA, the government's not going to do that, even if they get unpopular because of that decision not to nuke the USA. If governments sacrifice balance and stability because they want to be popular with the people's will, then there will be dire consequinces.[/QUOTE] Firing nukes =/= taking away freedom. You a goverment spy boi? :whip:

You Australians really do need a revolution.

[QUOTE=dryer-lint;18026987]Your point is moot because the people of the United Kingdom would never want to fire a nuke at the U.S.A. in the first place.[/QUOTE] It's an extreme example. Doesn't make the point moot. As another example, Taxes. If the majority of people don't want to have to pay any taxes at all, do you really think that the government is going to abolish taxes? Raise them, lower them maybe, but get rid of them?

[QUOTE=dryer-lint;18026890]Or they could google [url=www.facepunch.com]Fucking Incredible[/url]. :synpa:[/QUOTE] Why would anyone in the Australian government Google that?

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18027004]I will say it again. If enough people are negative about something, it will change.[/QUOTE] That's an awfully idealistic view of democracy.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18027092]That's an awfully idealistic view of democracy.[/QUOTE] No. It's the truth. And with your example on taxes, that did happen in the UK with the poll tax. People weren't willing to pay poll tax and wanted a fairer system, so they rioted and it changed.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18027143]No. It's the truth. And with your example on taxes, that did happen in the UK with the poll tax. People weren't willing to pay poll tax and wanted a fairer system, so they rioted and it changed.[/QUOTE] Not in modern democracy, it isn't. And I'm not talking about one aspect of tax, I'm talking about the whole caboodle. Do you really think that the USA, Australia, Uk, whatever, would abolish all forms of taxing, just because the majority of people didn't like taxes?

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18027211]Not in modern democracy, it isn't. And I'm not talking about one aspect of tax, I'm talking about the whole caboodle. Do you really think that the USA, Australia, Uk, whatever, would abolish all forms of taxing, just because the majority of people didn't like taxes?[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. He's not saying we should abolish whole concepts, just some certain things. Also on the subject of taxes, they're crucial to a functioning government so abolishing them would be a really, really stupid thing to do.

There are two possible explanations here. Either you've got conservative politicians doing what conservative politicians do and trying to restrict freedoms because they genuinely think it would be best for the country because they're morons, or it's the NEW WORLD ORDER EVIL MOLOCH-WORSHIPING ILLUMINATI TRYING TO TURN THE WORLD INTO THEIR PRISON PLANET OF EVIL AND OPPRESSION [img]http://www.avaresearch.com/ava/files/Alex%20Jones%20Crazy.jpg[/img] :bahgawd: Which of these do you think is more likely?

[QUOTE=Gyr0;18027251]There are two possible explanations here. Either you've got conservative politicians doing what conservative politicians do and trying to restrict freedoms because they genuinely think it would be best for the country because they're morons, or it's the NEW WORLD ORDER EVIL MOLOCH-WORSHIPING ILLUMINATI TRYING TO TURN THE WORLD INTO THEIR PRISON PLANET OF EVIL AND OPPRESSION [img]http://www.avaresearch.com/ava/files/Alex%20Jones%20Crazy.jpg[/img] :bahgawd: Which of these do you think is more likely?[/QUOTE] RON PAUL 2012 /caps

[QUOTE=Reborn9;18027246]You're missing the point. He's not saying we should abolish whole concepts, just some certain things.[/QUOTE] Then I agree, however modern democracies of the representative kind (the most popular democracy type used these days) do not automatically change policies because the majority of people do not like them. [QUOTE=Gyr0;18027251]There are two possible explanations here. Either you've got conservative politicians doing what conservative politicians do and trying to restrict freedoms because they genuinely think it would be best for the country because they're morons, [/QUOTE] They're not morons just because they believe that.

[QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18027211]Not in modern democracy, it isn't. And I'm not talking about one aspect of tax, I'm talking about the whole caboodle. Do you really think that the USA, Australia, Uk, whatever, would abolish all forms of taxing, just because the majority of people didn't like taxes?[/QUOTE] Nobody likes taxes, but people understand that they have to exist for the maintenance of state. This is why they exist. [editline]06:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Waffle Cake;18027341]Then I agree, however modern democracies of the representative kind (the most popular democracy type used these days) do not automatically change policies because the majority of people do not like them. They're not morons just because they believe that.[/QUOTE] If a sizable majority does not like a policy, it will most likely change. This is democratic.

at least America still acts like Democracy is still in place "huuur yes we did vote for Obama" /sarcasm