Sean Murray shows off No Man's Sky on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert
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i remember back in the day where people wouldn't argue with someone like pelpix123, we would just tell him to stop posting.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48831653]You probably know a lot about science and it shows, but if the developer of the game wants to go with what they think looks and is the best let them do what they want.
If you want a completely accurate sci-fi game, you'd need to make one yourself[/QUOTE]
Actually I think he only knows that one particular thing and is very, very proud of it. v:v:v
Does this game have coordinates/ a search function? It would be fun to fly around with a friend.
[QUOTE=Eonart;48831895]I do hope that there are planets with more than one eco-system in it and planets with no life on them like Mars, or a planet with tons of water like Earth.
The one thing that has annoyed me about this game is that all the planets feel samey in some way, there's too much open areas and nothing that really stands out beyond "lots of dirt or grass and always an animal calmly strolling in front of you"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there's a butt load lifeless, barren planets, ocean worlds, and everything in between. No multiple ecosystems though, it's a design choice so you could be like "that's the frozen planet" or "that's the sandy planet" like they do in things like Star Wars.
[editline]5th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48831906]Does this game have coordinates/ a search function? It would be fun to fly around with a friend.[/QUOTE]
As far as we know right now the easiest way to meet up with a friend is to meet at the center of the galaxy.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48832019]I can sorta relate to the frustration of not getting your point cross, but he went a [I]tad[/I] overboard with it[/QUOTE]
Actually I find it pretty interesting.
Really like this kind of stuff, should post a 101 on youtube or something.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48831678]Actually I think he only knows that one particular thing and is very, very proud of it. v:v:v[/QUOTE]
to be honest it seems uncannily like he read heavily on the topic, yet only read about it and doesn't actually practice any of it.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;48830239]In order for it to be possible, everything we understand about electromagnetism would have to be wrong down to the most essential interactions. I'm not talking just the models we use, but even further: a large chunk of our observations. That would actually be really fascinating. In order for stuff like this to be possible, it'd require a change in electromagnetic physics big enough to be comparable to thermal energy moving from a cold object into a warm object. A planet with a simple atmosphere and a black body sun having vastly different colors of foliage would invalidate even our most basic observations about math and physics. Not just our models, but the very observations on which we base the models. It'd be like a heavy object falling faster than a light object. If I landed on a planet and saw two different prolific colors of foliage, I'd shit my fucking pants. It'd be one of the most incredible discoveries ever made.[/QUOTE]
Lets imagine a planet that has layers of it's atmosphere which are different in contents (particles different enough that they would absorb different wavelengths of light passing through)
Then lets imagine that the layers rotate around the center of gravity at different rates, and the contents of the individual layers aren't uniformly spread out (one hemisphere could have a different chemical makeup compared to the other hemisphere, within the same layer)
Depending on the weather cycle, couldn't the wavelength of light hitting the planet's surface differ regularly and consistently enough to enable two different plants to photosynthesize using different wavelengths?
Or, what if there was grass that originally needed it's seeds to be wind-carried and had always had the same color as all the plants on the planet, the color most efficient for photosynthesis.
Then herbivores evolve. A mutation in a gene of a new forming grass plant causes it to be of an ever-so slightly different color. For whatever reason, this plant is normally easy to eat for the local fauna and it's odd color attracts the herbivores ever-so slightly more, having it's seeds eaten more frequently.
Then lets say that the grazing animals eating of the slightly off-colored plant results in more efficient reproductive rates for the mutated species from the result of more transplantation, even taking the less efficient photosynthesis into account.
Couldn't the grass evolve to attract the herbivores even more by being a brighter color, making the switch from getting most of their energy from photosynthesis to attracting "pollinators" (kinda like bees and flowers)?
edit: expected that to merge
[QUOTE=PelPix123;48838771]Yes, of course. A less convoluted explanation is that both pigments absorb the same band of non-visible radiation (Like IR or UV) that the plants REALLY use, and the different visible colors are just due to non-specificity of the pigment and lack of selection forces to get rid of variances in visible color that don't affect absorption of the important bands, but that doesn't explain how the two groups of plants are so separate.[/QUOTE]
Yes of course? That's a different tune than [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=48830239#post48830239]what you had said earlier about it being impossible[/url].
1. Why are you assuming they need to absorb the same band of nonvisible radiation? ("REALLY use"?)
2. What do you mean I didn't explain how the groups of plants could be separate? One species branch had a mutation that the other species branch didn't which thrived. If some radioactive particle had hit whatever the "dna" was and caused an error in the grass species dna's copying process on one of the genes that determines pigment, causing it to change into a color more appreciated by the local fauna. I don't see how any of this is "[I]everything we understand about electromagnetism would have to be wrong down to the most essential interactions" [/I] would be right.[I] [/I]I don't need to explain the biology made of elements that don't exist in space travel game. You need to explain how something that you agreed could happen is impossible in a video game.
leave it to facepunch to let an argument that came out of smart-assing still go on without actual discussion about the game
[QUOTE=PelPix123;48838997]Because there's always a wavelength that's most efficient or most fruitful for absorbing the largest amount of available energy from the sun.[/quote]
That depends on what's filtering it (THE ATMOSPHERE), which could be variable!
[quote]Two groups of plants could be separate colors if selection factors deemed it important that they be separate colors, but it wouldn't explain the cleanliness of the level of separation of the two groups, nor would it be particularly likely given the strength of selection for photosynthesis efficiency (otherwise it would've happened on a large scale on Earth already.)[/quote]
You're wrong. If the right mutation happened at the right time, after fauna is new and the flora has dominated alone for millenia, why couldn't a species of grass dominate a whole planet, as far as grass goes? You're the one saying it'd break a law of physics. You're being ridiculous. And if two different species are adapting to two different strategies of procreation (photosythn and being eaten), why wouldn't they have a "clean level of separation"?
[quote]If you really want to go off into animal influences on selection, I could use the same kinds of leaps in subject matter you use to counter your argument. For example: Animals' visual systems evolve based mostly on their environment--ESPECIALLY their food sources. As a local example: most land-dwelling herbivores on earth have higher sensitivity to green on average because of adaptations to the existing colors of plants. It'd be more likely for your theoretical herbivores to evolve to see the existing shade of the plants better than the other way around.[/QUOTE]
Why would bees have evolved to be attracted to coloful flowers? Obviously if green worked the best for attracting bees, all the plants relying on them would be completely green. You're saying this couldn't happen on any different of a scale, because it would break electromagnetism. Why would ancient humans be attracted to less hair?
It's all variable and you can't say it's against the laws of physics. You're just not being imaginative enough.
By now you guys are simply in the wrong thread.
Here's two threads you can fill with this discussion that has become very unrelated to the game:
Space chat: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1350594[/url]
Physics discussion:[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1245020[/url]
This looks like Hazeron and makes me miss Hazeron
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