this looks fun and adorable. imagine getting this for your kids, incorporating diy arts and crafts into video games? imagine the amazing memories they will have of this as adults? as a kid i already made heaps of shit out of cardboard, this is a great idea.
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;53060469]Microsoft: We are going to give you the best graphics you have ever seen.
Sony: We are going to give you the best stories you have ever heard.
Nintendo: HERE'S A CARDBOARD BOX![/QUOTE]
Microsoft: Here's some complex, microtransaction filled driving sims with 4K HDR rendering.
Sony: Here's some grim, violent third person action games with deep storytelling.
Nintendo: Here's some fun, wholesome accessory kits and games that the whole family can enjoy.
[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53060495]Knife, ruler and something to draw with
I'd do that shit :v:[/QUOTE]
google papercraft and go wild friendo
Keep in mind since this is just carboard, people will probably be selling cheap third-party replacements for these things in no time.
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;53060469]Microsoft: We are going to give you the best graphics you have ever seen.
Sony: We are going to give you the best stories you have ever heard.
Nintendo: HERE'S A CARDBOARD BOX![/QUOTE]
Labo isn't the main gimmick/appeal of the Switch though, it's just a side accessory. This is more equivalent to Kinect for the Xbox or PS VR for PS4.
I wonder if those cheap alternatives will be any good. They probably won't last as much as those from Nintendo or else they wouldn't ask such high prices (in addition to the games that come with it).
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53060526]Keep in mind since this is just carboard, people will probably be selling cheap third-party replacements for these things in no time.[/QUOTE]
templates will be online instantly, no doubt, and you'll get a bunch of people complaining nothing fits together and that the joycons keep falling through pieces because they printed it on cheap cardstock 8.5x11's taped together and forgot a lot of the of these parts rely on the physical thickness, inflexibility, and springiness of the cardboard
[QUOTE=dai;53060465]yeah I feel people are really missing the point that it's a handful of craft projects ready to build out of the box, engineered to be a fun and relatively easy project for kids and their parents if they're helping, while being a durable toy set that interacts with the games and system pieces in quite a few active and inventive ways.
Like lego sells $200 shoe boxes full of loose plastic and people aren't this reductive about the value of the toy as a hobby and creative experience
[editline]e[/editline]
The $69 kit is this, not just a single project/minigame, though the robo is about as much cardboard on its own.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/yMe8hKc.png[/t]
[t]https://media.nintendo.com/labo/kits/variety-kit/QdBpjFCp8So7QVdMxwai/kit-contents.webp[/t][/QUOTE]
this
my little brother is going to love this, and i'm going to love building these with him
More info on it.
[video=youtube;uDWKwCVugDs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDWKwCVugDs[/video]
Hasn't Nintendo even considered the grievous safety hazard posed to children by the death-maker that is cardboard? I foresee box-related fatalities among youths skyrocketing the moment these hit the shelves.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD67ClenBEY[/media]
Seems more or less exclusively aimed at kids, which is fine, but I wonder how much value you're going to get out of it before the kid accidentally sits on it / steps on it / drops it in a puddle and you're out 70$ with nothing to show for it. Cardboard isn't known for its durability, and kids aren't known for their extreme care with their toys
[QUOTE=dai;53060465]yeah I feel people are really missing the point that it's a handful of craft projects ready to build out of the box, engineered to be a fun and relatively easy project for kids and their parents if they're helping, while being a durable toy set that interacts with the games and system pieces in quite a few active and inventive ways.
Like lego sells $200 shoe boxes full of loose plastic and people aren't this reductive about the value of the toy as a hobby and creative experience
[editline]e[/editline]
The $69 kit is this, not just a single project/minigame, though the robo is about as much cardboard on its own.
images[/QUOTE]
Difference being that LEGO's products are made out of injection molded plastic, which can withstand years of use, getting stepped on, house pets going on a rampage and water/beverages, while this is priced at about the same range but can withstand none of these things. All/most LEGO sets are made out of the same pieces, or are at least in the same format, allowing more combinations and possible projects than possible for most children to even figure out, meanwhile these are flimsy crafts projects that have one limited use and only one valid configuration for it to work specifically with specific minigames.
No, this Labo thing and LEGO doesn't match up at all.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;53060546]Difference being that LEGO's products are made out of injection molded plastic, which can withstand years of use, getting stepped on, house pets going on a rampage and water/beverages, while this is priced at about the same range but can withstand none of these things. All/most LEGO sets are made out of the same pieces, or are at least in the same format, allowing more combinations and possible projects than possible for most children to even figure out, meanwhile these are flimsy crafts projects that have one limited use and configuration for it to work specifically with specific minigames.
No, this Labo thing and LEGO doesn't match up at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm so glad your takeaway from my post about the value of the engineering experience and general novelties being the point over reductive complaints about raw material value, was that it needed a reductive complaint about raw material durability and longevity
[editline]e[/editline]
it's not a lego set, it's not a collector's item, it's not a resource for exploration beyond its instruction booklet, it is explicitly a set of gimmicks and tools with the reward of having made a thing that suddenly does cool shit with the game system. That would've blown us all away and made us feel like king of the world when we were 12. It's a reasonably priced set of craft projects for unique peripherals that will be plenty durable enough to last the average attention span of any unique peripheral/minigame but don't come with the luggage of finding the resident evil/link's crossbow training thing in a box in the garage and not quite feeling like throwing it out because that hunk of plastic was $20 beside the games and lasted you two days before you never picked it up again
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53060529]Labo isn't the main gimmick/appeal of the Switch though, it's just a side accessory. This is more equivalent to Kinect for the Xbox or PS VR for PS4.[/QUOTE] I know it's my poor attempt of a joke, I don't know how well it will do and can only imagine how pissed off someone would be spending that type of money only to fuck up in the progress of making it.
One thing I don't see anybody talking about is the R&D that went into this.
At its core, this is combining the gyro controls, the HD rumble, and the IR camera in many ways to create different kinds of experiences. This probably had a pretty massive R&D effort behind it to make it work well. We know that it uses retroreflectors for the IR tracking (you can see on the info page it comes with "reflective stickers"), and the piano is a 13 key piano. The robot is also using the retroreflectors for some of the tracking.
Combining all that stuff into one experience in a way where it's not pre-calibrated (as the user is constructing it themselves and there's going to be a margin of error) was probably a TON of R&D which'll most likely also be used in the future for other projects.
I'm impressed, that's like, really good designs
More precisely, how it works is the most interesting part
Using a mix of IR Camera, motion control and the touch screen is really inventive, especially since they are using cardboard to control most of the stuff
Now, to be fair, the price is a little high, but you have to consider how much though was put into it.
You can't call that a cash grab or "Shovel ware", since the main requirement is that it's cheap to develop.
Designing the games and the Cardboard toys to work seamlessly is time consuming and obviously not cheap.
[editline]0[/editline]
Now that's what I call getting ninja'd
Leave it to Nintendo to constantly come up with new and creative stuff instead of "Our CPU is 13.254% faster now, look at those pixels"
Colour me impressed. I will get the variety pack and I have no kids.
70 bucks seems reasonable for 5 toys, it's 14 € per toy.
Compare that to the Google Cardboard which was 15€ when I bought it.
If this was just a bit cheaper (40-50) I would buy this instantly for my 6 y/o niece to play with whenever
she's here. It looks like a fun experience. The only thing I'm kind of worried about, is the durability of it,
especially when considering the price of it. My niece for example isn't the kind of kid that destroys toys
deliberately, but she can be very clumsy and I can already see her accidently step on cardboard.
It would be great if it's possible to buy the cardboard sets without the software, so it wouldn't be too
bad when something breaks.
[QUOTE=dai;53060444]yeah let me just go get my substrate printer and cnc machine powered up[/QUOTE]
You never buy anything before? Plenty of items come in cardboard boxes. Especially if you buy online.
It looks pretty fragile to be honest..
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;53060545]Seems more or less exclusively aimed at kids, which is fine, but I wonder how much value you're going to get out of it before the kid accidentally sits on it / steps on it / drops it in a puddle and you're out 70$ with nothing to show for it. Cardboard isn't known for its durability, and kids aren't known for their extreme care with their toys[/QUOTE]
I don't see why one couldn't just get some matte clear transparent sealant to then protect the cardboard.
This is so fucking cool
[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53060673]You never buy anything before? Plenty of items come in cardboard boxes. Especially if you buy online.[/QUOTE]
a small child applying templates and precision cuts and scoring dozens of parts without it ending up a hackjob that doesn't fit together is the problem, not having a stock of materials
if it isn't obvious from my posting in the thread I absolutely appreciate doing papercraft projects and love DIY nonsense and finding workarounds to expensive kits. I spent a summer janitoring the 4chan /po/ board when I was perma'd here (and summarily built a satellite website for people to host their projects longer than threads tended to last that lasted a few years), I built a model that used $280 worth of color-printed cardstock, I've hand-engineered technical moving paper parts and built things out of everything from rice paper to a 5' tall mass of foamcore board
but, this isn't some rare designer thing that's overpriced just to force you to pay more, it's a full bundle of kits on sturdy pre-cut materials and a game cart for 70 bucks when nintendo sells you a new game cart for 40-60 any other day. a pre-packaged afternoon project kit that was engineered specifically to have fun with a nintendo product is a powerfully valuable toy and "you can just make it from scraps of amazon boxes" just isn't a valid criticism about the product, from its material presentation to entertainment/educational value
[QUOTE=Pw0nageXD;53060644][img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/238081135865757696/403329101798178817/DTxsXtVW0AE1OfV.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I can't tell if Nintendo has geniuses, insanity, or what. Way to think outside the bo- waitaminute
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;53060749]Looks cool and all, but it's overpriced and way too fragile.[/QUOTE]
since this keeps coming up I'd like to address the fact that the builds look very sturdy, from the densely corrugated core of the board itself, to edges and corners being well fitted together with broad tabs to enforce edges, to double-enforced parts where there's a lot of user interaction.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/2QG76a2.png[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/CvloQtC.png[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/kQx4s57.png[/t]
Most of the wiggle I saw was in the piano, since the top half of it is suspended only by the walls at the front and it swayed a bit when the switch was fitted into it. Things like the pedal are most definitely reinforced under the surface with more cardboard joists, it'd collapse at the heel and ball of the foot instantly if it was just a sheet supported by the walls like an empty box
[t]https://i.imgur.com/LlCjXo6.png[/t]
I would've absolutely loved this as a kid, I can appreciate that I'm not the target market for this but I still think its a fantastic thing for the younger audience.
I dunno about this considering that liquids (like sweat) can really damage the cardboard
I guess you could always reinforce/fix it with duct tape maybe
[QUOTE=dai;53060718]a small child applying templates and precision cuts and scoring dozens of parts without it ending up a hackjob that doesn't fit together is the problem, not having a stock of materials
if it isn't obvious from my posting in the thread I absolutely appreciate doing papercraft projects. I spent a summer janitoring the 4chan /po/ board when I was perma'd here (and summarily built a satellite website for people to host their projects longer than threads tended to last that lasted a few years), I built a model that used $280 worth of color-printed cardstock, I've hand-engineered technical moving paper parts and built things out of everything from rice paper to a 5' tall mass of foamcore board
a pre-packaged afternoon project kit that was engineered specifically by nintendo to have fun with a nintendo product is a powerfully valuable toy and "I coulda made that out of an amazon box and some duct tape" just isn't a valid criticism about the product, from its material presentation to entertainment/educational value[/QUOTE]
I just went to /po/ and there's a bunch of pissed off regulars because /v/ just flooded the board. I kinda feel sorry for them.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;53060749]Looks cool and all, but it's overpriced and way too fragile.[/QUOTE]
It's interactive arts and crafts for kids. when are kids ever going to make anything that lasts? kids make stuff out of cardboard all the time anyway, this is perfect. i'm sure nintendo will be shipping out cardboard replacements if you ask. maybe it's a good opportunity to teach your kid to take care of their stuff. $70 could get you so much less in terms of actual product value, and this is an experience on top of that. a really good one. If you went to the national geographic store and got a balsa wood t-rex skeleton to assemble it would set you back a similar amount, would be just as fragile, and doesn't offer the interactive video-game element that labo does.
i don't understand fragility argument, i don't think you're viewing the product in the correct catagory.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
