[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;53060749]Looks cool and all, but it's overpriced and way too fragile.[/QUOTE]
Damn you bought one already????
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;53060782]I just went to /po/ and there's a bunch of pissed off regulars because /v/ just flooded the board. I kinda feel sorry for them.[/QUOTE]
back in the day it was usually quiet, save for the day-long /b/ raids once or thrice a week where they'd flood it with shock image dumps to push real threads past page 10 so it'd wipe out people's WIP journals
thus the need for a janitor, then for the website. Miraculously it never got raided despite posting the URL numerous times in threads
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feels like they'd usually enjoy the sudden cool attention but I'm sure there's a bunch of the same discourse and a ton of dips asking if they can just use regular paper and glue for it
I don't hate it. It depends on the pricing for replacements that don't come with the software.
[URL="http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-labo-kits-apparently-not-mandatory-cardboards-pattern-will-be-offered-for-free-cartridge-still-needed/"]Nintendo Labo kits apparently not mandatory, cardboards pattern will be offered for free (cartridge still needed)[/URL]
I know this sounds boring but it'd be cool to see one of these done in the style of that PSVR Aim controller for FPS games
[QUOTE=oskramorir;53060843][URL="http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-labo-kits-apparently-not-mandatory-cardboards-pattern-will-be-offered-for-free-cartridge-still-needed/"]Nintendo Labo kits apparently not mandatory, cardboards pattern will be offered for free (cartridge still needed)[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's cool and all but, correct me if I'm wrong, the only games on the Switch that cost 70 bucks right now are BotW and this???
[QUOTE=dai;53060718]a small child applying templates and precision cuts and scoring dozens of parts without it ending up a hackjob that doesn't fit together is the problem, not having a stock of materials
if it isn't obvious from my posting in the thread I absolutely appreciate doing papercraft projects. I spent a summer janitoring the 4chan /po/ board when I was perma'd here (and summarily built a satellite website for people to host their projects longer than threads tended to last that lasted a few years), I built a model that used $280 worth of color-printed cardstock, I've hand-engineered technical moving paper parts and built things out of everything from rice paper to a 5' tall mass of foamcore board
a pre-packaged afternoon project kit that was engineered specifically by nintendo to have fun with a nintendo product is a powerfully valuable toy and "I coulda made that out of an amazon box and some duct tape" just isn't a valid criticism about the product, from its material presentation to entertainment/educational value[/QUOTE]
You're putting words in my mouth! I wasn't criticizing anything! I'm just saying you can use your own cardboard if you don't want to fork over a bunch of money of templates. If I'm wrong about that and ignorant to this then fine but I'm not criticizing the product.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53060827]Honestly Nintendo should try and team up with Lego and maybe make controllers (or maybe a controller case?) with lego anti studs on the bottom.[/QUOTE]
Nintendo should have fully partnered with Lego ages ago. I know they co-produced Lego City Undercover a while back, but where's my official Lego Nintendo kits and Lego Nintendo: The Video Game?
[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;53060868]That's cool and all but, correct me if I'm wrong, the only games on the Switch that cost 70 bucks right now are BotW and this???[/QUOTE]
70 for BotW? What? It's normally 60 (unless we're talking about CAD).
[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53060870]You're putting words in my mouth! I wasn't criticizing anything! I'm just saying you can use your own cardboard if you don't want to fork over a bunch of money of templates. If I'm wrong about that and ignorant to this then fine but I'm not criticizing the product.[/QUOTE]
You replied to my post about a printing and cutting machine about the availability of free cardboard, which while you weren't actively criticizing, it's constantly being brought up to say Nintendos templates are useless and cost too much so I went off a bit on you, sorry.
As found above Nintendo [I]are [/I]apparently providing templates for free, which is great but it feels more out of making replacement sheets than entire kits, and even then you lose all semblance of quality control at that point. Providing ready-made template sets is still a process that costs money but I'd say that's well worth it over having no option but to waste a day or two applying and trimming pieces for 15 bucks' savings
[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;53060904]70 for BotW? What? It's normally 60 (unless we're talking about CAD).[/QUOTE]
Idk about USD but it's been 70 euros where I live since it's release.
[QUOTE=dai;53060905]You replied to my post about a printing and cutting machine about the availability of free cardboard, which while you weren't actively criticizing, it's constantly being brought up to say Nintendos templates are useless and cost too much[/QUOTE]
I brought it up to say "if you can't afford this you can still probably enjoy it in some way" and nothing more. I guess it's my own fault if it seems like I'm bashing the product.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;53060749]Looks cool and all, but it's overpriced and way too fragile.[/QUOTE]
the price is about right, honestly. as killuah said before, individually they all cost about the same as the google cardboard, which is - you guessed it - cardboard. and the google cardboard isn't even as solid as the labo looks. you're also paying for the huge r&d efforts that will have gone into this thing, of which will likely be utilised for other projects in the future as well.
and it's cardboard so if you've got cardboard laying about as well as the tools you need, you can just do it yourself from scratch anyway
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53060784]It's interactive arts and crafts for kids. when are kids ever going to make anything that lasts? kids make stuff out of cardboard all the time anyway, this is perfect. i'm sure nintendo will be shipping out cardboard replacements if you ask. maybe it's a good opportunity to teach your kid to take care of their stuff. $70 could get you so much less in terms of actual product value, and this is an experience on top of that. a really good one. If you went to the national geographic store and got a balsa wood t-rex skeleton to assemble it would set you back a similar amount, would be just as fragile, and doesn't offer the interactive video-game element that labo does.
i don't understand fragility argument, i don't think you're viewing the product in the correct catagory.[/QUOTE]
each piece of cardboard seems to have it's own accessory/model number (i.e. HAC-053, HAC standing for Nintendo Switch Hardware [Handheld and Console?] and the number representing it's model. the joy-cons are somewhere between 010-020, and the switch itself is HAC-001.)
my hope would be that nintendo lets you order these individually, maybe through store.nintendo.com?
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;53060977]each piece of cardboard seems to have it's own accessory/model number (i.e. HAC-053, HAC standing for Nintendo Switch Hardware [Handheld and Console?] and the number representing it's model. the joy-cons are somewhere between 010-020, and the switch itself is HAC-001.)
my hope would be that nintendo lets you order these individually, maybe through store.nintendo.com?[/QUOTE]
That's pretty likely. I can see Nintendo treating them the same way they did for the N3DS faceplates.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;53060523]Microsoft: Here's some complex, microtransaction filled driving sims with 4K HDR rendering.
Sony: Here's some grim, violent third person action games with deep storytelling.
Nintendo: Here's some fun, wholesome accessory kits and games that the whole family can enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Sony and Microsoft: Let's spend millions of dollars on VR tech and cutting edge graphics
Nintendo: let's make games that look beautiful as possible despite not being on the strongest hardware and hey here's some cardboard craft toys we'll sell for 70 bucks.
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;53060977]each piece of cardboard seems to have it's own accessory/model number (i.e. HAC-053, HAC standing for Nintendo Switch Hardware [Handheld and Console?] and the number representing it's model. the joy-cons are somewhere between 010-020, and the switch itself is HAC-001.)
my hope would be that nintendo lets you order these individually, maybe through store.nintendo.com?[/QUOTE]
Would hope so, in case you need to order a replacement
Like, I'm unsure on the proper pricing plan, you pay either ~70 for a set, or 20 for the robot pack
but what about the software it uses, does the robot come with it's own shit or is it a free game etc.
Is it why it costs a bit more than expected
I probably wouldn't get this for like a toddler though. This seems like a good 8-12 gift.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;53061106]Would hope so, in case you need to order a replacement
Like, I'm unsure on the proper pricing plan, you pay either ~70 for a set, or 20 for the robot pack
but what about the software it uses, does the robot come with it's own shit or is it a free game etc.
Is it why it costs a bit more than expected[/QUOTE]
all the packs come with a physical game cart from what i can tell. the robot costs $80 and the variety pack #1 costs $70. i think the robot pack has a bunch more materials making it a little more costlier than the variety pack, even though there's more to do in the variety one.
t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶o̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶e̶s̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶d̶u̶c̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶s̶e̶n̶t̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶d̶g̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶t̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶c̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶v̶i̶r̶t̶u̶a̶l̶b̶o̶y̶.̶ ̶i̶'̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶i̶r̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶c̶l̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶c̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶e̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶w̶i̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶a̶b̶l̶e̶t̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶s̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶a̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶.̶ turns out it doesnt. its just a dock for the joycon to be used as a head tracking device.
this thing raises a whole lot of questions.
-if the reason behind cardboard is to make it more user friendly and make it more appealing or "joyful", why cardboard. why not something that offers way more durability so you dont spend 2 hours building a cardboard robot suit that will wear and tear apart the moment you move in the slighthiest wrong way, or sweat too much, or simply fall apart. there are materials that are similar to cardboard both in weight and shape but offer way more durability than this.
-on top of the previous one, why use cardboard under the excuse of it being cost effective if you're asking $70+ for it. why not actually use an actually durable material and just ask $100 if you know people will pay for it.
- wich also raises the concern that, with so many fine parts and so much assembly required on the most complex ones its only going to take a broken lap to render the whole thing useless. I going to asume this also aims to be somewhat eco friendly but its fucking cardboard - its going to break apart if you don't treat it like its made of crystal when you assemble it and once to actually get to use it.
-the packing i can understand, it needs to be packed in a box because otherwise the fragile cardboard sheets would bend if exposed to any kind of shitty mail delivery practices. but why isnt the game digital. why not pay, instead, 35 for all of this and include a code so the actual concept of a novelty kicks in. $70usd for this kind of thing is... absurd. and it worries me that the ones buying it aren't going to be "dads buying educative stuff to their kids" but instead the run of the mill nintendo fan that buys anything and everything as long as its branded.
-why the fuck the game has to be physical if all the instructions to build the stuff are ingame.
-why on earth would people use such a dumb argument as to "its worth that much due to the R&D behind it", as if every other product didn't had its own R&D. its the 123 switch all over again, offering you a tech demo at full price.
-how on earth are you going to resell this without the cardboard on countries with no support from nintendo, where you just can contact support and ask for a new free batch of cardboard. or resell the game if the cardboard is missing for all it matters. because we're going to resell that stuff.
[QUOTE=JugadorXEI;53060407][t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/307152486454788096/403308780533841921/unknown.png[/t]
...That's crazy expensive for just cardboard DIYs and some minigames.[/QUOTE]
Call me stupid but "Variety Kit" is probably multiple things and the robot kit seems a bit more complex than some of the others
Maybe those aren't the [I]cheapest[/I] kits
This is both really cool and really fucking stupid at the same time.
I mean the piano is neat, but all I can think of is some dude plonking the cardboard too hard and breaking it
[QUOTE=Metaru;53061182]t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶o̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶e̶s̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶d̶u̶c̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶s̶e̶n̶t̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶d̶g̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶t̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶c̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶v̶i̶r̶t̶u̶a̶l̶b̶o̶y̶.̶ ̶i̶'̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶i̶r̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶c̶l̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶c̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶e̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶w̶i̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶a̶b̶l̶e̶t̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶s̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶a̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶.̶ turns out it doesnt. its just a dock for the joycon to be used as a head tracking device.
this thing raises a whole lot of questions.
-if the reason behind cardboard is to make it more user friendly and make it more appealing or "joyful", why cardboard. why not something that offers way more durability so you dont spend 2 hours building a cardboard robot suit that will wear and tear apart the moment you move in the slighthiest wrong way, or sweat too much, or simply fall apart. there are materials that are similar to cardboard both in weight and shape but offer way more durability than this.
-on top of the previous one, why use cardboard under the excuse of it being cost effective if you're asking $70+ for it. why not actually use an actually durable material and just ask $100 if you know people will pay for it.
- wich also raises the concern that, with so many fine parts and so much assembly required on the most complex ones its only going to take a broken lap to render the whole thing useless. I going to asume this also aims to be somewhat eco friendly but its fucking cardboard - its going to break apart if you don't treat it like its made of crystal when you assemble it and once to actually get to use it.
-the packing i can understand, it needs to be packed in a box because otherwise the fragile cardboard sheets would bend if exposed to any kind of shitty mail delivery practices. but why isnt the game digital. why not pay, instead, 35 for all of this and include a code so the actual concept of a novelty kicks in. $70usd for this kind of thing is... absurd. and it worries me that the ones buying it aren't going to be "dads buying educative stuff to their kids" but instead the run of the mill nintendo fan that buys anything and everything as long as its branded.
-why the fuck the game has to be physical if all the instructions to build the stuff are ingame.
-why on earth would people use such a dumb argument as to "its worth that much due to the R&D behind it", as if every other product didn't had its own R&D. its the 123 switch all over again, offering you a tech demo at full price.
-how on earth are you going to resell this without the cardboard on countries with no support from nintendo, where you just can contact support and ask for a new free batch of cardboard. or resell the game if the cardboard is missing for all it matters. because we're going to resell that stuff.[/QUOTE]
most of your points are negated when you can actually download templates and make the cardboard yourself. broke something? just pick up some old cardboard and papercraft that shit! otherwise, like some have pointed out the cardboard actually looks to be the very good, strong kind. I know cardboard gets a bad rep cause it's basically paper, but the denser the cardboard the more durable it is. that denseness also helps against sweat, which honestly isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the cardboard won't be around areas of concentrated sweat for long, if at all. only one I see an issue with might be the grips on the robot kit, or maybe the back of the robot's backpack.)
overall, cardboard's great cause it's lightweight, reusable and recyclable, it's customizable (try writing on or adding your own designs to ABS plastic,) it's easy to replace, and because it's an easily found resource, you can add on your own modifications without looking cheap or childish. plus, i think it really shows what's possible with limited parts, and can inspire kids to use their brains to build new hardware using cardboard and glue or whatever they have around them.
Man, my old high-school CADD teacher is going to love this. He's constantly pushing for students to get into STEM fields and this has great potential to push younger generations in that direction too. I could see him attempting to get a Labo set up in a lower grade class. Hell, I could see him having his students creating their own cardboard projects to work with the switch.
Labo has a ton of potential if it is treated properly.
[QUOTE=dai;53060764]since this keeps coming up I'd like to address the fact that the builds look very sturdy, from the densely corrugated core of the board itself, to edges and corners being well fitted together with broad tabs to enforce edges, to double-enforced parts where there's a lot of user interaction.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/2QG76a2.png[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/CvloQtC.png[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/kQx4s57.png[/t]
Most of the wiggle I saw was in the piano, since the top half of it is suspended only by the walls at the front and it swayed a bit when the switch was fitted into it. Things like the pedal are most definitely reinforced under the surface with more cardboard joists, it'd collapse at the heel and ball of the foot instantly if it was just a sheet supported by the walls like an empty box
[t]https://i.imgur.com/LlCjXo6.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Well yeah that'll hold up to wear but what about when a kid falls on top of it. Kids aren't known for treating their toys with care.
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;53061231]most of your points are negated when you can actually download templates and make the cardboard yourself. broke something? just pick up some old cardboard and papercraft that shit! otherwise, like some have pointed out the cardboard actually looks to be the very good, strong kind. I know cardboard gets a bad rep cause it's basically paper, but the denser the cardboard the more durable it is. that denseness also helps against sweat, which honestly isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the cardboard won't be around areas of concentrated sweat for long, if at all. only one I see an issue with might be the grips on the robot kit, or maybe the back of the robot's backpack.)
overall, cardboard's great cause it's lightweight, reusable and recyclable, it's customizable (try writing on or adding your own designs to ABS plastic,) it's easy to replace, and because it's an easily found resource, you can add on your own modifications without looking cheap or childish. plus, i think it really shows what's possible with limited parts, and can inspire kids to use their brains to build new hardware using cardboard and glue or whatever they have around them.[/QUOTE]
so according to you is ok to pay $70 bucks for five novelty minigames, more than any other game on the system sans collector editions, even though you can just download the template and render the selling point moot because you can achieve the same with a box cutter and regular cardboard. in wich case what are you actually paying for? the experience?.
[QUOTE] like some have pointed out the cardboard actually looks to be the very good, strong kind.[/QUOTE]
right, so the actual regular cardboard wont work and i have to buy the sturdy one. good thing i can recyle it afterwards right?
[QUOTE](try writing on or adding your own designs to ABS plastic,)[/QUOTE]
the alternative i suggest using is [URL="http://cullytechnologies.com/demo/h2orockets/images/full/p6010044.jpg"]this little wonder[/URL]. wich is basically the same as cardboard, but plastic. and you can use markers on it, and it comes in colors. so if you really feel attached to your labo you can actually keep it or use it in a display. or better yet, use it again some other time.
also why would you even care about customization if you're going to discard it afterwards - wich is the whole point of using cardboard. unless you're genuinely looking foward to the NINTENDO SWITCH LABO CUSTOMIZATION KIT(tm) wich is probably going to be regular pens and printed ducttape with UNIQUE NINTENDO DESINGS(tm). only for $35.
Kids are going to fucking DESTROY those $70 cardboard boxes
Also I have a feeling collectors are going to hate these several years when they're trying to track them down and unlike plastic game cases and accessories folded cardboards don't really hold up as well sitting in your damp basement for years.
Assuming they even survive in one piece. This seems like the stuff you'd break and throw out or they're get nasty and have to be recycled eventually.
[editline]18th January 2018[/editline]
I'm sure "Switch Cardboard Labo GAS PEDAL (PRACTICALLY NEW & UNUSED)" are going to be rare listings on Ebay 2030
Nintendo IKEA when
I want durable toys
It's fucking cool as hell, it teaches kids how to think in a 3D space and construct shit and isn't as complicated as a model, and it comes with cool minigames, it could be a bit cheaper though.
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;53061150]all the packs come with a physical game cart from what i can tell. the [b]robot costs $80[/b] and the variety pack #1 costs $70. i think the robot pack has a bunch more materials making it a little more costlier than the variety pack, even though there's more to do in the variety one.[/QUOTE]
Must have miss read something
but yeah looking at the systems within the robot backing can see that being a thing
homebrew cutouts and resources would definitely end up less than half price for it I can imagine
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