that price is a fucking joke
the product looks good but not for that much
I would've expected the price to be a little lower but everything about this is genius, the animated build instructions, the way everything is assembled, the fact it's flat-pack wii accesories. That robot set would be $200 if it was plastic simply because of the bulk in shipping. I'm sure they'll put out cardboard-only sets if this takes off to replace them after eventual wear and tear, and you could even gift single sheets with fast food meals or at promotional events to hook people with. Print the QR code for downloading the game part right on the cardboard itself, bam, done.
Nintendo is known for putting out quality hardware, despite a few flaws here and there, so I'm sure they've designed these to be as sturdy as sheets of cardboard and rubber bands can let them be. Using the IR camera to track moving bits and using that as game input is genius.
It seems like Nintendo is doing another version of the "long running thing wot has a million buyable parts and can even be franchised and makes tons of cash" kind of like Skylanders and Disney Infinity and all that is for other consoles, but they [i]already had that[/i] with Amiibo.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;53061393]that price is a fucking joke
the product looks good but not for that much[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I personally think it's kind of a neat idea, and very Nintendo. But using low cost materials to make a low cost product is sort of moot when your product isn't low cost anyway. I still don't have a Switch though so. I'd REALLY like one, but money.
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;53060469]Sony: We are going to give you the best stories you have ever heard.[/QUOTE]
I'm really curious to know what are these "best stories" you're talking about.
[editline]18th January 2018[/editline]
If I had children I'd pay for this gladly, it's quality entertainment that develops creativity and other skills, rather than teaching the wonders of gambling like other companies are pushing rn.
[QUOTE=Metaru;53061255]so according to you is ok to pay $70 bucks for five novelty minigames, more than any other game on the system sans collector editions, even though you can just download the template and render the selling point moot because you can achieve the same with a box cutter and regular cardboard. in wich case what are you actually paying for? the experience?.[/QUOTE]
if you're paying $70 for it, you're paying to get a head start and to buy the game with all the cardboard. it's kinda why stuff like the [URL="http://www.microcenter.com/site/content/google_aiy_preorder.aspx"]AIY kit for the raspberry pi[/URL] exists. I COULD go out and build the entire thing using downloaded code from google, and some cardboard I had lying around, with a speaker I recycled from some old electronic toy. but I'd rather pay $25 so I can get a head start and not have to cut it all by myself and start from pure scratch.
in this case, just replace the speaker and daughter board for that kit with the game cart and software. some people might choose to not even get the starter packs and instead do it from scratch, and it's totally fun to do that too! i know a ton of people who'd start from scratch, and i know a ton of people who'd want a foundation to work with, maybe with some sturdier, pre-printed and cut materials.
[QUOTE=Metaru;53061255]right, so the actual regular cardboard wont work and i have to buy the sturdy one. good thing i can recyle it afterwards right?
the alternative i suggest using is [URL="http://cullytechnologies.com/demo/h2orockets/images/full/p6010044.jpg"]this little wonder[/URL]. wich is basically the same as cardboard, but plastic. and you can use markers on it, and it comes in colors. so if you really feel attached to your labo you can actually keep it or use it in a display. or better yet, use it again some other time.[/QUOTE]
here's the way I see it: if you break the cardboard that comes in the kit, you can replace it with a less sturdy one still. it doesn't mean it'll last forever, something like cardboard isn't meant to last forever. you don't [I]have[/I] to buy the 'expensive' cardboard, but you can if you're looking for something that'll last longer.
the corrugated plastic is a smart idea, mind you, and I'm glad you brought that up, because even though I work with the stuff, i totally forgot it. though, it'd be a bit hard for kids to mess around with i think. it's a little too tough to bend into the exact way you want it to, plus it's a lot harder to come by in your daily life. also, i don't know about you but because i work with it where I work, i've cut myself more on that shit than i should. it's a pretty dangerous material because it gives no way to your skin when it passes by. so i could understand why nintendo went with safer materials over durability (remember how every nintendo mobile console has a plastic screen instead of glass? that's because while glass is more durable to scratches and cracks, it's also more dangerous when cracked. think to how people somehow manage to cut themselves on cracked samsung and iphone screens more than they should.)
but at the end of the day, what's stopping you from downloading the template yourself, getting together the corrugated plastic and actually building it yourself? if you seem so adamant to keeping your stuff in one piece after you're done with it, why not just do it yourself? that's kinda the whole point of this thing, it's to use your head and think outside the box, and not necessarily follow the instructions. the framework's all there, so why not go ahead and get creative and build something that you think will last longer?
[QUOTE=Metaru;53061255]also why would you even care about customization if you're going to discard it afterwards - wich is the whole point of using cardboard. unless you're genuinely looking foward to the NINTENDO SWITCH LABO CUSTOMIZATION KIT(tm) wich is probably going to be regular pens and printed ducttape with UNIQUE NINTENDO DESINGS(tm). only for $35.[/QUOTE]
i think you're projecting a little bit of yourself onto me here though, even though you and i are not the targeted audience anyways. it's for kids who've got markers and googly eyes and pipe cleaners who wanna have fun and be creative and stuff. just cause it is a disposable and recyclable item doesn't mean they're gonna just run through it like drano. i don't think kids are gonna be too keen on throwing away something they worked hard on. i know i still keep around a bunch of 3d art i made when i was a kid. plus, i'd say if a kid [I]does[/I] destroy his foot pedal for their racing game or whatever, it just gives them an opportunity to build another one. this time they could learn something new or customize it better. pop on some decorations or change the mechanism to suit them better.
oh, and the customization kit is only like $10, but mind you it doesn't even come with markers lmao. it's just some stencils, stickers, and tape. not really worth it to me since i've already got stuff lying around, but i am also a sucker for stickers...
at the end of the day, your arguments are still pretty valuable cause you're putting your own perspective and value on it all, and that's important for something that revolves around creativity. but just because nintendo's released it in an all in one package doesn't mean that's not incredibly valuable to someone who, say, might not be able to use knives to cut cardboard or tough plastics, or might just not have the ingenuity (yet) to build something completely from scratch. i think it's important to step back and take a look at who this is targeted for, and that the way you value something might be different than someone else. you seem passionate about the idea for this game and i encourage you to explore new ways you might be able to make it more valuable to you, since it's an open platform essentially for games. or i dunno man, just relax and just let people enjoy these creative outlets through mainstream means. the way i see it, it doesn't really hurt anyone for being there. :)
Wonder how soon someone will 3D print actual plastic pieces for building.
[QUOTE=Pw0nageXD;53060644][img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/238081135865757696/403329101798178817/DTxsXtVW0AE1OfV.png[/img][/QUOTE]
There's also this: [quote=Nintendo Life][...]
At the other end of the scale there's the aforementioned piano, which is utterly, utterly ingenious. Everything is made from cardboard, right down to the keys which use folded flaps to spring back into place when pressed. The Joy-Con slots into the back, with its IR camera pointed at a small slot just above the rear of the keys. When one is pressed, it pops into view through the slot and reveals small strip of reflective tape - the camera picks this up and plays the relevant note. The same visual trick is used to change the tone of the keyboard, adjust the pinch, record patterns and much more besides; [B]you can even use the slot on the top of the piano to insert a cut-out (created by yourself) which changes the sound of a keypress based on the shape of cardboard.[/B]
[img]http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2018/01/hands_on_the_future_of_gaming_is_cardboard_thanks_to_nintendo_labo/attachment/1/original.jpg[/img]
[...][/quote][emphasis mine, [URL="http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/01/hands_on_the_future_of_gaming_is_cardboard_thanks_to_nintendo_labo"]sourc[/URL][URL="https://archive.is/BYGji"]e[/URL]]
I know it's just cardboard, but it's just so goddamn charming I can't hate it. It's like a Michel Gondry music video come to life, how can I not blow 70 bucks on it?
Also it's just incredibly impressive, design-wise. The fact that you can make these fully functioning (and fairly complex) game peripherals [i]just[/i] using cardboard and an IR sensor is insane.
Was right in thinking that most the cost comes to software
[url]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/01/nintendo_will_freely_provide_cardboard_design_patterns_for_labo[/url]
[quote]Note that the kits will not be mandatory - although the cartridge is needed - since Nintendo plans to offer the cardboard design pattern for free for aspiring builders[/quote]
Nintendo has always been the best at thinking outside the cardboard box.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;53061598]Was right in thinking that most the cost comes to software
[url]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/01/nintendo_will_freely_provide_cardboard_design_patterns_for_labo[/url][/QUOTE]
I was thinking this to. People are seeing it as $70 for cardboard but Nintendo still sells 1 2 switch for $50 and I see more gameplay value with Labo than I ever did with 1 2 switch.
If you hate this because you think cardboard is a cheap material then you'll be disappointed to find out that all plastics and electronics also cost close to nothing to make and then are sold for thousands of dollars. The PCB in your phone probably cost close to 20 bucks to make and yet the phone itself is priced at 1 000 USD. And half the time the companies selling the phones don't even come up with the blueprints themselves.
[QUOTE=REMBER;53061829]If you hate this because you think cardboard is a cheap material then you'll be disappointed to find out that all plastics and electronics also cost close to nothing to make and then are sold for thousands of dollars. The PCB in your phone probably cost close to 20 bucks to make and yet the phone itself is priced at 1 000 USD. And half the time the companies selling the phones don't even come up with the blueprints themselves.[/QUOTE]
but plastic won't melt if your dog will pee on it.
[QUOTE=Hanso;53061730]I was thinking this to. People are seeing it as $70 for cardboard but Nintendo still sells 1 2 switch for $50 and I see more gameplay value with Labo than I ever did with 1 2 switch.[/QUOTE]
prices of nintendo games over the years are usually more elevated than I'm honestly comfortable with
You can buy Super Mario 64 DS for 30 bucks preowned at gamestop (us)
amazon US' recommended mario kart ds new price is around 60 bucks (16 used)
could list a few more examples, a lot of this comes from when I actually browse in-store though, which I don't have anything noted down though
The idea is fantastic and charming (reminds me of LittleBigPlanet) but if they used the 2mm high density cardboard that's common in board games, the price would be much more justified. I bet the fishing rod will be the first thing that breaks. I'm curious how much longevity the games will have.
[QUOTE=DasMatze;53061887]The idea is fantastic and charming (reminds me of LittleBigPlanet) but if they used the 2mm high density cardboard that's common in board games, the price would be much more justified. I bet the fishing rod will be the first thing that breaks. I'm curious how much longevity the games will have.[/QUOTE]
I am sure it's part of business strategy - you broke a part, you [B]need to find replacement[/B].
Or you can just 3d print all kits, wich is what i want to see happening in the end.
Imagine a market for that.
[t]http://i.cubeupload.com/C7zOEX.png[/t]
What timeline are we even in anymore
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;53062505][t]http://i.cubeupload.com/C7zOEX.png[/t]
What timeline are we even in anymore[/QUOTE]
Nintendo's investors are historically stupid.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/O0kt1I6.png[/t]
I used to have a screengrab of an investor asking Nintendo during an investor's Q and A when they're were going to stop making games, as he didn't "understand them".
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;53062505][t]http://i.cubeupload.com/C7zOEX.png[/t]
What timeline are we even in anymore[/QUOTE]
Dude kids are going to be soooo into this stuff. They're probably gonna sell a ton of those kits.
As someone who works in a cardboard factory, I'm just looking forward to all the 200% payed OT that's prolly coming.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/G539z5i.png[/img]
what machine is that, i actually need to use something like that for a project coming up.
i think some of you guys are missing the spirit of this. not my pic but i made one of these with my ds when i was younger and i was excited about it:
[img]https://cdn.instructables.com/FTS/VPK5/FE7IU3VU/FTSVPK5FE7IU3VU.MEDIUM.jpg[/img]
My buddy is already capitalizing on this
[t]https://i.imgur.com/1VENEkq.png[/t]
what's this whole thing about kids breaking it by constantly falling on it
this isn't for 4 year olds
[QUOTE=Eric95;53063075]what's this whole thing about kids breaking it by constantly falling on it
this isn't for 4 year olds[/QUOTE]
By the same logic some people are buying into these kids are gonna ruin their controllers by putting them in the washing machine. The target age for this is not toddlers. When I was a little kid I treated my Gameboy like it would violently erupt into flames if it collided with anything at a moderately high speed
[QUOTE=Eric95;53063075]what's this whole thing about kids breaking it by constantly falling on it
this isn't for 4 year olds[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
This is literally supposed to be for kids aged like 7-12. Kids aren't bumbling retards with super-strength at that age. There's a bunch of relatively fragile tech toys and shit that kids use today (LEGO Mindstorms?), and they still sell relatively well. People also forget that the 3DS is directed not only at adults, but also kids (even for a rather fragile device). Most of my nieces and nephews have 3DSes, and they're still being used just fine while they're around the age range I just mentioned.
I think it's totally fine. People are complaining about the price, yet they don't realize how goddamn expensive toys are nowadays. Nintendo's literally going to print money with this.
I wonder how some of you were as kids of your perception of children is that they're entirely destructive
I occasionally baby sit up to 7 kids, nieces and nephews and I frankly don't get where you guys are coming from. Yes kids are dumb and can be brutish and not terribly careful but they can also be amazing and thoughtful. Some of my noeces and nephews have stuff from years back that they've kept in good condition.
Just cause you guys broke your shit doesn't mean all kids do
[QUOTE=New Cidem;53063153]By the same logic some people are buying into these kids are gonna ruin their controllers by putting them in the washing machine. The target age for this is not toddlers. When I was a little kid I treated my Gameboy like it would violently erupt into flames if it collided with anything at a moderately high speed[/QUOTE]
Amusingly it would probably survive that
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4kgfmLh.jpg[/img]
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