[QUOTE=Dori;38831653]the media likes to make a circus out of east asian culture, especially of japan's. people have such a distorted view of their culture because that's all they're exposed to
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and cypher, the reason I took issue to "it's a different culture" is because that takes agency away from japanese people. another way people like to do this with japan is to (just an example off the top of my head) bring up the age of consent, which paints japanese people as child-preying perverts[/QUOTE]
what do you mean by taking agency away from the people?
That's just horribly cruel - I just hope it wasn't consciously feeling pain though that's a bit of a tall order considering it was TRYING TO FUCKING CRAWL AWAY.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;38831631]true, it would shock us because it's not something we're used to seeing regularly[/QUOTE]
Take a soldier who's become desensitised to violence and does something brutal to an enemy soldier and takes pleasure from it, you wouldn't completely let them off because they're 'used to it' really
Obviously it's an extreme example but it's the same sort sort of thing
[QUOTE=RobbL;38831747]Take a soldier who's become desensitised to violence and does something brutal to an enemy soldier and takes pleasure from it, you wouldn't completely let them off because they're 'used to it' really
Obviously it's an extreme example but it's the same sort sort of thing[/QUOTE]
that's sort of too extreme :v: i don't think is really a 'black and white' matter. i do see where you're coming from though.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;38831725]what do you mean by taking agency away from the people?[/QUOTE]
agency is the ability to act or speak for yourself. the people in this thread waving this off by saying "it's a different culture" are speaking for japanese people in regards to their culture
[QUOTE=Dori;38831781]agency is the ability to act or speak for yourself. the people in this thread waving this off by saying "it's a different culture" are speaking for japanese people in regards to their culture[/QUOTE]
very true. i made a point to research my claims before posting them (granted i used my own background knowledge of japan and various google links [wiki included]).
you are right though.
sorry for being rude. it just irked me when you said "many japanese people" without substantiating it
When I'm an old man and don't care to die or get arrested I'm gonna kick down the door of that restaurant with a cowboy hat on and 2 revolvers and personally execute each frog before it has to succumb to such a sad death.
[QUOTE=RobbL;38831621]Still, if we were asked to eat a steak straight after witnessing the cow being killed and gutted I doubt we'd do it with a smile on our face[/QUOTE]
As I grew up on a farm with all kinds of animals I wouldn't have a problem. We would sometimes have breakfast near a freshly killed and skinned cow for example. Though people who are normally not exposed to killing of animals probably would have a heavy stomach, who knows.
[QUOTE=Tarzy;38831838]When I'm an old man and don't care to die or get arrested I'm gonna kick down the door of that restaurant with a cowboy hat on and 2 revolvers and personally execute each frog before it has to succumb to such a sad death.[/QUOTE]
all you would accomplish is wasting ammunition and meat
the chef severed the frog's spinal cord before skinning it. it may have felt pain for a short period of time, but that's about it. I guarantee you that the frog in this video and in most ikizukuri has been treated better and suffered less than the cattle prepared for fast food hamburgers
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the only real difference between ikizukuri and hamburger meat is the time between when the animal is slaughtered and when it's prepared. to say ikizukuri is cruel is incredibly hypocritical
[QUOTE=Dori;38831833]sorry for being rude. it just irked me when you said "many japanese people" without substantiating it[/QUOTE]
i understand. i just see myself quite educated on the place and so thought i had the knowledge enough to say many people. i wasn't using the word 'many' relative to the % population of japan who eat/like this. just in comparison to how many people in the western world (not [I]as[/I] many) who eat/like it.
it's all good bro, i'm sorry for being rude too.
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[QUOTE=Dori;38831919]all you would accomplish is wasting ammunition and meat
the chef severed the frog's spinal cord before skinning it. it may have felt pain for a short period of time, but that's about it. I guarantee you that the frog in this video and in most ikizukuri has been treated better and suffered less than the cattle prepared for fast food hamburgers
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the only real difference between ikizukuri and hamburger meat is the time between when the animal is slaughtered and when it's prepared. to say ikizukuri is cruel is incredibly hypocritical[/QUOTE]
this, a thousand times over.
Well I never seen cows getting kicked about and such before it was slaughtered so I'm not that disturbed by eating cows that were slaughtered in front of me.
[QUOTE=Matrix374;38832028]Well I never seen cows getting kicked about and such before it was slaughtered so I'm not that disturbed by eating cows that were slaughtered in front of me.[/QUOTE]
The middle eastern 'equivalent' if you will, would be halal.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;38832051]The middle eastern 'equivalent' if you will, would be halal.[/QUOTE]
Well to me "Halal" is a word that is used to describe food that is safe to eat for Muslims.
So a "Halal" slaughtered cow is just a cow slaughtered by slicing its throat and saying that "In the name of God we slaughter this cow to keep our stomachs full" or something like that
[QUOTE=Matrix374;38832148]Well to me "Halal" is a word that is used to describe food that is safe to eat for Muslims.
I'm not sure if thats what it actually means in Arabic but thats what the people in my country says.
So a "Halal" slaughtered cow is just a cow slaughtered by slicing its throat and saying that "In the name of God we slaughter this cow to keep our stomachs" full or something like that[/QUOTE]
[quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal#Dhabihah:_method_of_slaughter]Ḏabīḥah (ذَبِيْحَة) is the prescribed method of slaughtering all meat sources excluding fish and most sea-life per Islamic law. [B]This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, wind pipe and jugular veins[/B]. The head of an animal that is slaughtered using halal methods is aligned with the Qiblah. In addition to the direction, permitted animals should be slaughtered upon utterance of the Islamic prayer "in the name of God". Muslims are taught through the Qur'an that all animals should be treated with respect and well cared for. Muslims[who?] claim that Islamic laws aim to keep the world ecology balanced in a stable and healthy way.[/quote]
They are alive when this happens.
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This incessant dumb rating is getting ridiculous now.
Looks like japan users of Facepunch didn't like "GET OUT FROG"
I came into this thread with a boner. Now it's tucked in between my legs crying.
RIP frogger :'(
Fucking Japan
[QUOTE=Blade_Raider;38832261]
Fucking Japan[/QUOTE]
can we stop this please? this is not at all representative of japanese culture, and even if it was there is nothing wrong with humanely prepared meat. it's so fucking annoying how prevalent casual racism is against asians
Oh god when the upper half of the frog started flopping around in it's own entrails I just sat their with my jaw open staring.
I mean yeah we're eating animals that were killed to become food but Jesus Christmas.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;38832178]They are alive when this happens.
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They are alive when they are killed? Who would've thought.
Don't frogs often carry parasites?
Pretty neat presentation, though. Wouldn't mind trying it.
Why did you have to eat it live? Put it out of it's misery first. That is fucking disgusting, seeing it squirming about wondering where it's lower body has gone, where all this pain is coming from. What does eating it live make a difference to?
"Hello my baby hello my darling hello my rag time... what are you doing with that knife..."
or
"Cut me open. Eat me right in front of me. Like I give a fuck."
[QUOTE=itisjuly;38832312]They are alive when they are killed? Who would've thought.[/QUOTE]
No. I didn't say they are alive when they are killed... My point is that it is equally controversial for them to carry out this slaughter, using this method, while they are still alive. Almost more controversial than Ikizukuri, as even here in Britain there is plenty of uproar in schools by muslims wanting Halal food to be compulsorary.
[QUOTE=Zi;38826636]Oh fuck off Japan you smog ridden fucks why the hell didn't the empire colonize these putrid lands. Why have this when you can have a cup of tea and a slice of cake on the barbie, or dare I say Yorkshire puds. But no, it won't taste nice if its not still moving on the fucking plate, and if you don't skin it while its alive. "Rich and diverse culture" Shag my tits and call me a cunt but how is this culture.[/QUOTE]
see above: the exact wrong way to take this video
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;38832178]They are alive when this happens.
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This incessant dumb rating is getting ridiculous now.[/QUOTE]
Halal AFAIK, is more humane way of killing the animal, as deep sleep-like unconciousness brought by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body.
Looks like he couldn't... GET OUT.
[QUOTE=Dori;38832288]can we stop this please? this is not at all representative of japanese culture, and even if it was there is nothing wrong with humanely prepared meat. it's so fucking annoying how prevalent casual racism is against asians[/QUOTE]
it's too acceptable here. if it were "Fucking muslims" it would be showered with dumbs and responded to with "Don't be ignorant allahu akhbar is an interjection"
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;38832178]They are alive when this happens.
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I've seen this before, the animal instantly die other than some muscle reflexes. Its as fine as putting a live lobster into boiling water. They just instantly die.
[QUOTE=counterpo0;38832401]Halal AFAIK, is more humane way of killing the animal, as deep sleep-like unconciousness brought by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body.[/QUOTE]
sure, but it would still take longer for the unconsciousness to occur than almost-instantly severing the spinal cord, or stunning the animal unconscious before making incisions.
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