• James O'Keefe - Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51218211]Complain about the echo-chamber in SH, so you create your own little echo-chamber The hypocrisy is through the roof[/QUOTE] A lot of Trump supporters aren't the most self aware people around.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51218226]A lot of Trump supporters aren't the most self aware people around.[/QUOTE] You sure? These guys seem pretty on the ball.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51218200]You complain about lack of friendliness after antagonizing everyone? You're adorable.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=hexpunK;51218203]Ah, a mentally unstable child, a nuclear engineering student who refuses to acknowledge Trump not even paying the idea lip service and a potentially mentally unstable survivalist. Along with Wy-"better torture as we caught cha'!"-stan. Truly a collection of totally sane individuals who should be given the time of day. Seriously, as a group you aren't doing Trump any favours. Well okay, JJF isn't anywhere near as insufferable as the others there, he's not riding Trumps dick like mad.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;51218214][t]http://images1.ocweekly.com/imager/u/original/7467210/latinosfortrump75.jpg[/t] Keep ignoring the truth. Attacking me is so much better than looking at the evidence yourself.[/QUOTE] give me a poll showing hes leading with latinos not images
That post comes after you antagonized everyone, be more aware of what you're doing lmao [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51218226]A lot of Trump supporters aren't the most self aware people around.[/QUOTE] Good point. [QUOTE]Honestly this election is confusing. One moment I keep Hiliary as my backup, then after shit like this happens several times and when it threatens to kick Sanders off, I get pissed and want to go for Trump. I haven't even read into Hiliary's stuff nor Trump's nor Sanders, I'm just going along with the flow of "Sanders is the best choice ever and I'd be stupid for not going for him."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I'm basically admitting I'm conflicted and letting myself be led by the public/popular opinion of the internet because I'm lazy and trying not to make myself look more stupid than I already am.[/QUOTE] Here's two Pvt. Martin posts made in March
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51218248]That post comes after you antagonized everyone, be more aware of what you're doing lmao [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] Good point. Here's two Pvt. Martin posts in July[/QUOTE] my favorite pvt martin posts in july are where hes talking about his shitting problems for a week and then even lets SH know as he overcame his bowel problems to vote for sanders [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting (literally)" - rilez))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=KillRay;51218244]give me a poll showing hes leading with latinos not images[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.latinodecisions.com/recent-polls/[/url] according to one poll that I found, he's nowhere near close to leading with them. Fat chance that's going to change between now and the election :v:
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;51217765]Also easy for you to say since you're not from America and you don't get to really give that much of a shit about the American Presidential election.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;51217828]I think you mean Trump, and The reincarnation of Richard Nixon, but worse? Also again, your flag. You really don't have to care since this election doesn't really affect you that much. It affects Americans like me, since I care about things like, actually defeating ISIS, halting the massive immigration flood, bringing the jobs back from abroad so I can finally get a god damn job, destroying the corrupt media that even now lies to our faces and tells you that Wikileaks is illegal to all of you, except themselves, and bringing dirty people like Hillary Clinton and her entire foundation, to Justice.[/QUOTE] I live in a country that shares the longest undefended international border in the world with your country, we are each other's most important trade partner, and many of our individual policies on different aspects of trade/foreign relations/etc. have to at least somewhat align or else there is huge amounts of friction that damages the trade (and therefore both economies) flowing through. I give a tremendous amount of shit about your ridiculous farce of an election because of the significant impacts it'll have on my nation and I don't even have the right to vote in it. You've got no ground telling me I don't "get to" care about your election. I don't care what candidate you support, that's a shitty attitude.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;51218214][t]http://images1.ocweekly.com/imager/u/original/7467210/latinosfortrump75.jpg[/t] Keep ignoring the truth. Attacking me is so much better than looking at the evidence yourself.[/QUOTE] Yes, because one pic of a group somewhere obviously shows compelling evidence. Let me just take a pic of myself being against your scrambled way to try and defend this clown, and obviously that's all I need!
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51218280]Can I make a new thread on the video without being banned? Given that this one is derailed as fuck.[/QUOTE] hope not
[QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218191]You're voting for a team of people rather than a slimy individual who will only surround herself with "Yes-men".[/QUOTE] Whenever Trump opens his mouth I get the same feeling.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51218280]Can I make a new thread on the video without being banned? Given that this one is derailed as fuck.[/QUOTE] None of the three people (including yourself) whining about off topic posts have done anything to bring it back on topic except flagellate those having a conversation about the greater election. Of course the best way to illustrate this is, instead of talking about the video, to just rate me disagree.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;51218319]the topic is doomed from the start because the video is made by a guy who is notorious for misleading people and using footage out of context to tear people down he has no credibility and theres 0 reason why anyone should actually take his shit seriously[/QUOTE] Legit, the only discussion the video even needed has already happened. The "author" of the video is a notorious hoaxer, who has actively damaged targets of his by editing videos with some degree of care. This is still quite a new video, it can take time for people to actually assemble a proper deconstruction of it. Rather than just slurping this trash down like the obedient little lobotomy patients Trump needs you to be, how about you show a mote of self awareness for the first time in your fuckin lives and consider that maybe, just maybe, the author has an agenda and has a history that should make you think twice about the source?
pvt. martin is on a toxx right please
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51217622]The woman on oxygen is a fair criticism. What bothers me is that people keep saying Trump supporters are violent and yet DNC plants keep poking them with a stick. When they've had enough and lash out the media points the finger at Trump or generalizes that all of his supporters are belligerent hillbillies or psychopaths.[/QUOTE] This whole election makes me want a safe space. Like on Mars or Pluto. Some where far away.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51218346]pvt. martin is on a toxx right please[/QUOTE] Yes, Pvt. Martin will be permabanned on November 9th no matter what the outcome of the election is.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51218356]This whole election makes me want a safe space. Like on Mars or Pluto. Some where far away.[/QUOTE] I just can't wait until 2024 when we are looking at two new candidates and Clinton is sitting at a 52% approval rating and people on FP are asking for 4 more years. Alternatively the competing doomsday predictions of a corporate dystopia/nuclear hellscape that exist within the confines of a Trump supporters psyche.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51218346]pvt. martin is on a toxx right please[/QUOTE] regardless of the result of the election, he's slated to be permabanned on election day (?)
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51218225] If he "formulated his policies" with help, he's not very good at delegating.[/QUOTE] So the president has to be a know-it-all who has to make decisions without any advisory or assistance? I guess George Washington was a really shitty president then. [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51218225] No, he's unqualified because his policy ideas are degenerate garbage and he's a flaming asshole. [/QUOTE] Lets take an example: Trump wanting to simplify the tax code and cut the tax rates is a bad thing? You would rather have more of your money going to the government where it can get pocketed by bureaucrats and special interests? As for his personality, you're prioritizing bullshit over essential features of a presidential candidate. All political figures have a public face, but behind closed doors, you hear the same kind of inflammatory stuff. Look for what's hidden rather than what is up front for a change. If anything, Trump's lack of a filter adds a refreshing degree of transparency to say the least, which is something we have been lacking for decades now. [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51218225] A team of people, like the generals who both know less than him about ISIS and will also be the ones he defers to on how to deal with them for some reason. I don't know why I'm bothering to reply to this point. It's so vacuous and general it's a non-argument. [/QUOTE] You're free to drop the argument. I'm going to continue defending my position.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51218375]But nothing has been disproven yet. Just like nothing has been proven yet. You're only interested in dismissing the video based in its source. That's your agenda. Everyone has an agenda.[/QUOTE] Almost there. I'm interested in not giving the video the attention it so dearly desires with that title because the author is a complete scumbag who has a history of falsifying information for his agenda and has never done anything to actually prove he isn't a total scumbag. Videos are incredibly powerful tools for information warfare, as they are incredibly accessible and somewhat harder to de-construct than an article that will have to have sources embedded into it to be taken seriously. Any dumb hick who isn't deaf-blind can pop open a video and not actually think about the information they are processing. Especially if it uses some emotive music and language (like every piece of propaganda from /pol/ seems to). Come back to me when the author of a "damming hit piece" like this isn't a total hack.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51218210][url]http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/14/news/economy/donald-trump-economic-plan-1-trillion/[/url] When his policies are likely to cost a trillion dollars, lose 4 million jobs, destroy existing trade agreements for no better reason than 'we're going to take our jobs back!' and stifle free trade, which will ruin businesses dependent on it to remain afloat, I'm leery that he should be elected at all.[/QUOTE] I hold little value in sources like CNN unfortunately. Especially when I find emails indicating collusion with Clinton and the Democratic Party. Let's not forget that the parent company "Time Warner" has also given money to the Clinton Campaign. You're free to call me out and say "You're doing mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you're right." However, that is not the case. I'll gladly take a source from a credited economist however that has no ties to any party or candidate.
[QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218394] Lets take an example: Trump wanting to simplify the tax code and cut the tax rates is a bad thing? You would rather have more of your money going to the government where it can get pocketed by bureaucrats and special interests?[/QUOTE] There is nothing inherently wrong with cutting taxes, you just have to be careful and discriminating about it. His tax plan is anything but, and every expert has said as much. It would balloon the deficit and this is without taking into consideration the massive spending that would be required to increase our military (the biggest source of special interest spending in our budget btw) and his fabled wall. Not only that, but many middle class Americans would see a tax [I]increase [/I]([URL="http://www.vox.com/2016/9/26/12991790/donald-trump-tax-hike-middle-class"]link[/URL]) In my income bracket I would see a slight decrease in taxes which is cool but I'm not selfish enough to prioritize that over the well-being of the nation, something I strongly feel Trump would endanger. [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218394]As for his personality, you're prioritizing bullshit over essential features of a presidential candidate. All political figures have a public face, but behind closed doors, you hear the same kind of inflammatory stuff. Look for what's hidden rather than what is up front for a change. If anything, Trump's lack of a filter adds a refreshing degree of transparency to say the least, which is something we have been lacking for decades now.[/QUOTE] I mean maybe but I'm not going to assume Clinton said she could grab dudes by the cock and get away with it because she is famous until I hear the tapes. The problem with Trump isn't that he lacks a filter, it's that he lies a lot. He is the opposite of transparent. [editline]17th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218421]I hold little value in sources like CNN unfortunately. Especially when I find emails indicating collusion with Clinton and the Democratic Party. Let's not forget that the parent company "Time Warner" has also given money to the Clinton Campaign. You're free to call me out and say "You're doing mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you're right." However, that is not the case. I'll gladly take a source from a credited economist however that has no ties to any party or candidate.[/QUOTE] The study was done by Oxford. Which emails?
even if it was taken out of context, scott foval is a pretty twisted guy
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51218428] The study was done by Oxford. Which emails?[/QUOTE] They were emails release by Wikileaks. [url]https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/786225211481792514[/url] There are other emails indicating similar cases with certain media outlets like NYT and CNBC. [QUOTE=Raidyr;51218428] I mean maybe but I'm not going to assume Clinton said she could grab dudes by the cock and get away with it because she is famous until I hear the tapes. The problem with Trump isn't that he lacks a filter, it's that he lies a lot. He is the opposite of transparent. [/QUOTE] The best sources for Hillary being unfiltered are memoirs from the secret service. Not the best sources I know, but there are tapes and such of previous presidents besides Clinton talking in vulgar manners. I have no doubt that most politicians are pretty vile individuals when you get to know them personally. As for your stance on Trump supposedly being a liar, you can send some instances as examples where you believe he is lying. [QUOTE=Raidyr;51218428] There is nothing inherently wrong with cutting taxes, you just have to be careful and discriminating about it. His tax plan is anything but, and every expert has said as much. It would balloon the deficit and this is without taking into consideration the massive spending that would be required to increase our military (the biggest source of special interest spending in our budget btw) and his fabled wall. Not only that, but many middle class Americans would see a tax increase (link) In my income bracket I would see a slight decrease in taxes which is cool but I'm not selfish enough to prioritize that over the well-being of the nation, something I strongly feel Trump would endanger. [/QUOTE] Keep in mind, The tax plan from Trump is considered by him to be a "Work In Progress". (Yea, I know: Shitty response to the argument, but it is true.) The fact is, we all know that these tax cuts and increase in military spending will mean cuts in tons of government departments and programs if Trump intends to balance the budget, which he will have to since this country won't survive fiscally otherwise. As for the source that says middle-class Americans will get a middle-tax increase, there are conflicting sources on that. ([URL="http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/17/Experts-Weigh-Donald-Trump-s-Tax-Plan-and-Find-It-Wanting"]Ex.[/URL]) In general, we know the primary goals that each candidate has in changing the tax code and difference in our fiscal stances will affect our perspectives on which one is better. I'll go more into depth on this subject if you want via PM. This thread has been derailed long enough anyways.
I'm confused, can someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, but isn't a lot of the stuff being done sorta similar to Black Cat Strikes?
[QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]They were emails release by Wikileaks. [URL]https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/786225211481792514[/URL] There are other emails indicating similar cases with certain media outlets like NYT and CNBC. [/QUOTE] This tweet and video is so absurdly out of context that I had to look up articles about it. Both CNN and the DNC deny sending or receiving questions, and the DNC claims that Brazile was checking with the DNC to see what Clinton's stance was to maintain party unity, which lines up with the fact that she was a panelist on a talk shot the next day. [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]The best sources for Hillary being unfiltered are memoirs from the secret service. Not the best sources I know, but there are tapes and such of previous presidents besides Clinton talking in vulgar manners. I have no doubt that most politicians are pretty vile individuals when you get to know them personally. [/QUOTE] Including Trump? [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]As for your stance on Trump supposedly being a liar, you can send some instances as examples where you believe he is lying. [/QUOTE] Sure. What sources are acceptable to you? [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]Keep in mind, The tax plan from Trump is considered by him to be a "Work In Progress". (Yea, I know: Shitty response to the argument, but it is true.) The fact is, we all know that these tax cuts and increase in military spending will mean cuts in tons of government departments and programs if Trump intends to balance the budget, which he will have to since this country won't survive fiscally otherwise. [/QUOTE] What can you cut away to make up for the massive deficit? This isn't a work in progress, it's a figment of Trump's imagination. It's absurd. It's not going to happen even in a Republican-controlled Congress. [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]As for the source that says middle-class Americans will get a middle-tax increase, there are conflicting sources on that. ([URL="http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/17/Experts-Weigh-Donald-Trump-s-Tax-Plan-and-Find-It-Wanting"]Ex.[/URL])[/QUOTE] Pretty much everyone agrees that his plan is bad except one outlier that rates it a C. [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]In general, we know the primary goals that each candidate has in changing the tax code and difference in our fiscal stances will affect our perspectives on which one is better.[/QUOTE] Taking the macro approach doesn't make Trump look any better, cutting taxes on the wealthy and increases the taxes on everyone else while Clinton will increase taxes on the wealthy. [QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218549]I'll go more into depth on this subject if you want via PM. This thread has been derailed long enough anyways.[/QUOTE] No thanks.
[QUOTE=TheManInUrPC;51218394]Lets take an example: Trump wanting to simplify the tax code and cut the tax rates is a bad thing?[/QUOTE] he primarily wants to cut taxes and simplify them in such a way that it'll favour himself, so that he doesn't have to pay as much of his own money to the government taxes are used to fund the essential infrastructure and machinery of the nation. where does trump plan on getting monies to cover the shortfall?
[video=youtube;s3jjFuqguws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3jjFuqguws[/video] Might want this to be added to the OP
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51218676]he primarily wants to cut taxes and simplify them in such a way that it'll favour himself, so that he doesn't have to pay as much of his own money to the government taxes are used to fund the essential infrastructure and machinery of the nation. where does trump plan on getting monies to cover the shortfall?[/QUOTE] That's completely backwards. The reason why the code needs to be simplified is because right now it's very easy for rich individuals and especially corporations to hire a team of lawyers so they can pay the bare minimum in tax with all the write-offs and deductions they can claim. If most of these are removed then the effective tax rate will increase even if the technical rate is lowered. Nobody except for the very wealthy utilizes the current loopholes.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51218711] Might want this to be added to the OP[/QUOTE] Why would Clinton's DoJ go after news corporations for running this story? I think a far more likely explanation is that O'Keefe is persona non grata after repeatedly being guilty of fraud.
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