• The argument AGAINST pornography
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Technically everything is addictive, such as how some folks can't help but eat lots of food or watch TV nonstop.
You may not be addicted to porn, and many people aren't. But for some people it becomes a habit. A habit which they can't stop. See these: [url]http://compulsionsolutions.com/?gclid=CIyMybPtkLQCFck7Mgoddk8AKg&doing_wp_cron=1355177449.5421249866485595703125[/url] [url]http://pornaddiction.com/?gclid=CJ21mrTtkLQCFetDMgodqAUAXw[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_addiction[/url]
The fact that certain individuals lack self control has nothing to do with the thing itself. There are people who are compelled to do plenty of irrational things. There are people with a specific ingrained fear of bananas, and it's something that is chronic, habitual, and there's nothing they can do about it except live with it, yet we still don't call bananas into question because that would be silly. An ever-growing portion of the population of the developed world is becoming hooked on technology and compelled to pull their phone out and fiddle with it every 30 seconds, but we don't call the technology itself into question because it's a human behavior problem, and ultimately it is a matter of personal responsibility. Self-control is when you know you want something that's immediately available to you, but you restrict yourself from it. Some people don't work hard enough at controlling themselves, and blaming porn is personally irresponsible because it says well it's not the fault of the individual, it's this outside thing that has control of him.
[QUOTE=maximizer39v2;38780829]The OP is mostly right. Porn is kind of related to cigarettes. [B]The tobacco companies will market their product to children, I think we all know this.[/B] Porn is also addicting, like cigarettes. Both are looked at as an unsightly habit. And if you care about (christian) morals, porn is worse on your morals than smoking. In all, (coming from a person who has watched porn) it's degrading and overall futile. Get a girlfriend![/QUOTE] What does the bolded have to do with the rest of your statement? Are you implying that the porn industry secretly markets to children?
[QUOTE=J Paul;38781431]The fact that certain individuals lack self control has nothing to do with the thing itself. There are people who are compelled to do plenty of irrational things. There are people with a specific ingrained fear of bananas, and it's something that is chronic, habitual, and there's nothing they can do about it except live with it, yet we still don't call bananas into question because that would be silly. An ever-growing portion of the population of the developed world is becoming hooked on technology and compelled to pull their phone out and fiddle with it every 30 seconds, but we don't call the technology itself into question because it's a human behavior problem, and ultimately it is a matter of personal responsibility. Self-control is when you know you want something that's immediately available to you, but you restrict yourself from it. Some people don't work hard enough at controlling themselves, and blaming porn is personally irresponsible because it says well it's not the fault of the individual, it's this outside thing that has control of him.[/QUOTE] I have to say I agree with you sir. GG :)
J Paul said that very well, much better than I could.
sex happens, sometimes a camera is nearby too
I think porn is great. (No shit) It can help other couples to find new and interesting ways to enjoy themselves. It may also provide more faith to unexperienced teens that are not knowing the beautiful life of sex and the things surrounding it. It's more a life lesson, because most people are eventually going to do it. Better at least to know about it then to be unexperienced. Although, some may find it offensive, but it's there. It doesn't force you to watch or participate in it. Porn should be free to make, or at least not a job that you choose. Then it's basically paid sex and trafficking. But I guess people wouldn't make pron if there wasn't money involved.
[QUOTE=Torjuz;38813212]It may also provide more faith to unexperienced teens that are not knowing the beautiful life of sex and the things surrounding it.[/QUOTE] More often than not it can provide a negative example though. The majority of commercialised pornography focuses on vanity. I don't need to tell you that this sort of attention to vanity can create a source of insecurity for teenagers.
Honestly there isn't anything about sex that you can learn from porn. That's like learning how to use a gun by watching Rambo.
[QUOTE=halflife_123;38818204]Honestly there isn't anything about sex that you can learn from porn. That's like learning how to use a gun by watching Rambo.[/QUOTE] Well, you DO learn where insertion happens... sometimes...
I think porn is a good thing. In areas where porn is legal, rape rates are substantially lower because people are provided a safe release for sexual urges even if they don't have a partner. Just so long as the actors are doing it with consent and are legally adults, where's the harm? The important part, though, is being able to realize that porn is to sex what action movies are to the real-life events they're based off of -- The basics are there, but they're often exaggerated to unrealistic levels to make it more entertaining. Besides, suppressing sexual urges has worked out [I]so[/I] well in the past, hasn't it?
Cellphone use is an example of a conditioned response brought on by a conditioned stimulus. This is how you develop a habit and habits are the beginning of addiction. Seriously, if you have never even taken an intro to psych class then it's obvious and you're just spewing senseless idiocy. The CS-CR function is blatantly obvious when people view porn. [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Massacre;38842113]I think porn is a good thing. In areas where porn is legal, rape rates are substantially lower because people are provided a safe release for sexual urges even if they don't have a partner. Just so long as the actors are doing it with consent and are legally adults, where's the harm? The important part, though, is being able to realize that porn is to sex what action movies are to the real-life events they're based off of -- The basics are there, but they're often exaggerated to unrealistic levels to make it more entertaining. Besides, suppressing sexual urges has worked out [I]so[/I] well in the past, hasn't it?[/QUOTE] Wow, way to say things out of your ass. Rape isn't brought on by sexual urges. It's a power issue. Any seminar talking about rape will say that first and foremost because so many people think it's brought on by sexual frustration.
Regardless of how people develop habits, what about my argument that it's a matter of personal responsibility? I have the personal responsibility and self-control to be able to handle watching porn and using cell phones, so what's wrong with that?
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38842624] [editline]15th December 2012[/editline] Wow, way to say things out of your ass. Rape isn't brought on by sexual urges. It's a power issue. Any seminar talking about rape will say that first and foremost because so many people think it's brought on by sexual frustration.[/QUOTE] Citation?
As others in the thread have said, statistics show that as availability to pornography increases, the rate of forcible rape decreases. [url=http://anthonydamato.law.northwestern.edu/Adobefiles/porn.pdf]This peer reviewed study[/url] done by Anthony D’Amato shows that the states with the lowest amount of internet access have increased rate of rape and while states with the highest amount of internet access have decreased rate of rape. So to me, I would think that making pornography harder to access is a bad thing to do. As long as the legality of content and consent is not up for debate, I see no reason to deny access to it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38844473]Citation?[/QUOTE] Again, use your brain. There's this thing called Google. You could even use Yahoo or Bing search. Journal of Sex Research [url]http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3812897?uid=3739256&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101496529801[/url] Now go find the article. Or would you like me to use teamviewer and skype to read out loud to you too?
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38846043]Again, use your brain.[/QUOTE] Not to get off topic, but the [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof]burden of proof[/url] is on the one who makes the claim. For example, if you're writing a paper and you make claims about a particular topic, [i]you[/i] have to be the one to provide a source. Don't expect your opponent to research your claims and find a source, nor vice versa. Also, it's in the rules for Mass Debate.
mrs moon it seems like you're just trying to find ways to make whoever disagrees with your opinion seem stupid
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38846043]Again, use your brain. There's this thing called Google. You could even use Yahoo or Bing search. Journal of Sex Research [url]http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3812897?uid=3739256&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101496529801[/url] Now go find the article. Or would you like me to use teamviewer and skype to read out loud to you too?[/QUOTE] I can only read the first introductory page.
Now, i notice the shitstorm going down that directly ties back to my prior statement and i have no particular desire to push things further, but in my defense i will say that i didn't explicitly or implicitly say that sex drive was the ONLY cause...
The points in the OP gave me cancer, but it's an interesting topic nonetheless. The porn industry is, no doubt, corrupt as fuck. As with any lewd sexual industry the porn industry really needs regulation if it's going to be morale and legitimate. Every time somebody denounces pornography (especially idiot politicians) it does nothing but further damage the lives of those few pornstars who are literally a victim of the industry and live miserable lives. Saying [I]"dur porn is bad, ban porn"[/I] does nothing but put the porn industry further into the murky depths of criminality and the few women (and possibly men) who are virtual sex slaves wind up being pushed deeper into their already dark situation. Here's a few facts. Men are always going to watch porn. 90% of men look at pornography. 9% of men lie and say that they don't view pornography, and the remaining 1% of men are probably insane. I haven't viewed any more recent surveys, but from personal experience my female friends watch almost as much pornography as my male counterparts; so don't spin some bullshit argument about pornography being a male-only outlet, women like to watch porn and masturbate to it too. I'll concede that on average it's likely that fewer women watch porn, and they watch it with less saturation, but that's almost assuredly because most porn does cater to men more than it caters to women. However that's a symptom, not a cause. If there was more female-oriented pornography produced and directed by women I'm sure you'd see even ratios of porn viewing between genders. None of this is a valid reason to ban pornography, or even denounce it for that matter. The porn industry most certainly does need to be reformed and regulated. There needs to be abuse watchdogs, there needs to be strict STD control, and there really does need to be some semblance of forced gender equality. Hopefully soon most countries will embrace the fact that porn is a growth industry and it will not go away; however it can most certainly be reformed and regulated to be a safer and more secure industry for both female [I]and[/I] male performers, as well as promote a largely equal image of men and women through it's content.
Pretty much all of the above. Making it illegal or restricting it would just force it to go underground and you'd end up with worse conditions than there are now. It would still be easy to distribute anyway.
Let's not forget that Porn DOES have benefits, in that it pioneered various technological breakthroughs, mostly in the field of entertainment. [URL="http://www.cracked.com/article_18888_5-ways-porn-created-modern-world.html"]This[/URL] article explains five such advances, but for those with poor reading comprehension, here's a tl;dr: 1. Porn put the "demand" in "supply and demand" for home video technologies such as VHS, Laser-Disc, and DVD. If it weren't for porn, those technologies would have crashed and burned. In fact, it's pretty much a rule that if porn adopts a new home media format, that format will become the new standard, the only exception being HD-DVD. 2. The ability to take nude pictures of yourself at home without having to worry about the pharmacist/chemist finding your home-made smut when developing your pictures was THE original selling point of Digital Cameras. 3. Erotic Literature was what popularized the Printing Press, and there's evidence that it's the reason why the literacy rate jumped up during those times, too. 4. Porn created and pioneered many of the technologies used on the internet, like credit-card verification, internet billing, and video streaming. 5. And finally, the porn industry is the leading developer for anti-piracy software and DRM (hey, you gotta take the good with the bad). And all of this is because of one thing: The porn industry is THE most lucrative industries on the planet ([URL="http://www.cracked.com/article_17300_6-ways-that-porn-runs-world.html"]another[/URL] Cracked.com article states that the porn industry earns between $90-100 BILLION [I]a year[/I]). They HAVE the time, money, and willingness to experiment and take risks, and because of that it shaped modern entertainment technology.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;38873020]Let's not forget that Porn DOES have benefits, in that it pioneered various technological breakthroughs, mostly in the field of entertainment. [URL="http://www.cracked.com/article_18888_5-ways-porn-created-modern-world.html"]This[/URL] article explains five such advances, but for those with poor reading comprehension, here's a tl;dr: 1. Porn put the "demand" in "supply and demand" for home video technologies such as VHS, Laser-Disc, and DVD. If it weren't for porn, those technologies would have crashed and burned. In fact, it's pretty much a rule that if porn adopts a new home media format, that format will become the new standard, the only exception being HD-DVD. 2. The ability to take nude pictures of yourself at home without having to worry about the pharmacist/chemist finding your home-made smut when developing your pictures was THE original selling point of Digital Cameras. 3. Erotic Literature was what popularized the Printing Press, and there's evidence that it's the reason why the literacy rate jumped up during those times, too. 4. Porn created and pioneered many of the technologies used on the internet, like credit-card verification, internet billing, and video streaming. 5. And finally, the porn industry is the leading developer for anti-piracy software and DRM (hey, you gotta take the good with the bad). And all of this is because of one thing: The porn industry is THE most lucrative industries on the planet ([URL="http://www.cracked.com/article_17300_6-ways-that-porn-runs-world.html"]another[/URL] Cracked.com article states that the porn industry earns between $90-100 BILLION [I]a year[/I]). They HAVE the time, money, and willingness to experiment and take risks, and because of that it shaped modern entertainment technology.[/QUOTE] It also provides as an outlet for people otherwise unable to get a mate successfully, though over time it increases their wants to some extent it does lower the chances of them acting on those urges, illegalize porn and I can bet that rape cases will go up.
[QUOTE=andololol;38875853]It also provides as an outlet for people otherwise unable to get a mate successfully, though over time it increases their wants to some extent it does lower the chances of them acting on those urges, illegalize porn and I can bet that rape cases will go up.[/QUOTE] Not supporting the anti-porn case, but rape has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;38880184]Not supporting the anti-porn case, but rape has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=andololol;38699792]Rape culture? If I remember correctly rape goes down the more porn is being legalized. [url=http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0-11001-6-1042321-0]In Denmark, Japan, and Czech Republic the temporary legalization of child porn decreased the amount of child rape victims.[/url] The exact opposite of what whoever provided you with that information said.[/QUOTE]
Correlation doesn't always imply causation. There could be other factors that we haven't thought of. People don't go out and rape other people just because they're horny.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38842624]Cellphone use is an example of a conditioned response brought on by a conditioned stimulus. This is how you develop a habit and habits are the beginning of addiction. Seriously, if you have never even taken an intro to psych class then it's obvious and you're just spewing senseless idiocy.[/QUOTE] Well, psychology isn't rigidly stuck to the school of Behaviourism. Internal cognition is kind of important too. [quote]Rape isn't brought on by sexual urges. It's a power issue. Any seminar talking about rape will say that first and foremost because so many people think it's brought on by sexual frustration.[/quote] If rape were a power issue, Medieval Kings would have been serial rapists.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38884368] If rape were a power issue, Medieval Kings would have been serial rapists.[/QUOTE] Well, they kind of were. But that's not what he means. It wasn't about having power making you want to rape, it's about how rape makes you feel powerful.
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