[QUOTE=Tacosheller;38884613]Well, they kind of were. But that's not what he means. It wasn't about having power making you want to rape, it's about how rape makes you feel powerful.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, except rape is often also argued to be a "show of power" too from the same viewpoint. If rape really were a show of power, it would be done the most by the men at the top to show their power (and in public).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38884797]Yeah, except rape is often also argued to be a "show of power" too from the same viewpoint. If rape really were a show of power, it would be done the most by the men at the top to show their power (and in public).[/QUOTE]
I think you're misunderstanding. It's an assertion of dominance on someone else, which is what they call a "Show of power". They just don't really seem to say it specifically enough to make it seem that way. Though it doesn't relate to pornography whatsoever, so I'll drop it.
Tell me why someone would want to assert their dominance over someone they never saw or even knew?
Some people like that man in one of the Dakotas who raped and murdered that little girl didn't seem to 'want to assert their power' I'm pretty sure there is something to do with pleasure.
[QUOTE=andololol;38885894]Tell me why someone would want to assert their dominance over someone they never saw or even knew?
Some people like that man in one of the Dakotas who raped and murdered that little girl didn't seem to 'want to assert their power' I'm pretty sure there is something to do with pleasure.[/QUOTE]
Neither argument is the end all be all, there are multiple reasons. That's just one of them.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38884368]
If rape were a power issue, Medieval Kings would have been serial rapists.[/QUOTE]
they already had power.
I'm not against pornography, but I would definitely recommend to masturbate and view pornographic content as little as you possibly can, if not ever.
If you don't want to listen to the the exposition to his speech and just hear the main points, skip ahead to the middle or so, he gets into all sorts of fun stuff, like how masturbation is counterproductive to the male in general.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU[/url][/media]
I'm also against any justifications about "well masturbation is healthy for you." Yeah, sure, it can release tensions and what not, maybe there's also a correlation theory study that declares that it could prevent x cancer by x percent. In my opinion though, you'd be better off not masturbating.
Don't get the wrong idea though, I masturbate furiously.
[editline]wat[/editline]
Apologies, upon skimming noticed the above video has already been pointed out. It's nice to have it again for people that miss the first one as I did, I suppose. I would like to further add though that I'm sure any logical person can conclude that viewing material that contains multiple men pounding on one woman, depicting rape, violence, physical abuse, etc, etc will cause a dissociation in the brain, or perhaps better put, a desensitization. I only mention disassociation because I'm sure there are further implications from prolonged exposure of such horrible (and really as arousing and great porn is, I think it's fair to say that it is fairly horrible in nature) material must affect the subconscious on multiple levels.
You know, the interesting thing about the whole question of pornography possibly fueling illegal acts is that it does a great job of illustrating the need for social pressure to fill the gaps where law cannot.
You can ruthlessly ban pornography as much as you want, but it isn't going to stop the sex trades and such. The only thing that will stop that kind of behavior is harsh punishments and active enforcement and investigation by the police authorities, and harsh social punishment by the peers of clients. Pornography could make some dude perverted and go for illegal prostitutes or whatever, but banning pornography will not change that. Pornography is not the root of the issue you detail in the OP.
A lack of response by all parts of society is the root.
OP sounds like it was written by someone who's never seen any pornographic material in their life?
[QUOTE=supersnail11;38880184]Not supporting the anti-porn case, but rape has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction.[/QUOTE]
this is a complete myth
"rape is to do with power" is perhaps the single worst excess of feminism
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;39009005]this is a complete myth
"rape is to do with power" is perhaps the single worst excess of feminism[/QUOTE]
It has a little to do with sexual satisfaction but it isn't simply linked to horniness otherwise there would be a pandemic of raping going on everywhere.
[QUOTE=halflife_123;39015851]It has a little to do with sexual satisfaction but it isn't simply linked to horniness otherwise there would be a pandemic of raping going on everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Or perhaps most horny people understand that raping somebody is wrong and that's why they don't go out and rape people?
[QUOTE=Cruma;39000698]I'm not against pornography, but I would definitely recommend to masturbate and view pornographic content as little as you possibly can, if not ever.
If you don't want to listen to the the exposition to his speech and just hear the main points, skip ahead to the middle or so, he gets into all sorts of fun stuff, like how masturbation is counterproductive to the male in general.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU[/url][/media]
I'm also against any justifications about "well masturbation is healthy for you." Yeah, sure, it can release tensions and what not, maybe there's also a correlation theory study that declares that it could prevent x cancer by x percent. In my opinion though, you'd be better off not masturbating.
Don't get the wrong idea though, I masturbate furiously.
[editline]wat[/editline]
Apologies, upon skimming noticed the above video has already been pointed out. It's nice to have it again for people that miss the first one as I did, I suppose. I would like to further add though that I'm sure any logical person can conclude that viewing material that contains multiple men pounding on one woman, depicting rape, violence, physical abuse, etc, etc will cause a dissociation in the brain, or perhaps better put, a desensitization. I only mention disassociation because I'm sure there are further implications from prolonged exposure of such horrible (and really as arousing and great porn is, I think it's fair to say that it is fairly horrible in nature) material must affect the subconscious on multiple levels.[/QUOTE]
Except you like thousands of others have jumped the gun and greatly misinterpreted what that presentation is about.
It's not decrying masturbation or pornography, it's talking about porn [B]ADDICTION[/B].
You can drink alcohol socially without much, if any repercussions or effect on any other aspect of your life. However alcohol ADDICTION presents a slew of physiological, psychological and social problems.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;39027580]Except you like thousands of others have jumped the gun and greatly misinterpreted what that presentation is about.
It's not decrying masturbation or pornography, it's talking about porn [B]ADDICTION[/B].
You can drink alcohol socially without much, if any repercussions or effect on any other aspect of your life. However alcohol ADDICTION presents a slew of physiological, psychological and social problems.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is about porn addiction, and I'm sure we could all agree anyone that had access to a computer around the age of 14 and accessed a porn website, that they would easily be able to develop "addictive" tendencies, and the definition for addiction really isn't that hard, especially when it comes to porn, I'd say most males that masturbate probably do so in a ritualistic, addictive manner, which again, could include a wide spectrum of behavioral traits. Addiction aside, I wouldn't recommend it at all, even if you show no signs of addiction, which isn't likely.
[QUOTE=Cruma;39030100]Yes it is about porn addiction, and I'm sure we could all agree anyone that had access to a computer around the age of 14 and accessed a porn website, that they would easily be able to develop "addictive" tendencies, and the definition for addiction really isn't that hard, especially when it comes to porn, I'd say most males that masturbate probably do so in a ritualistic, addictive manner, which again, could include a wide spectrum of behavioral traits. Addiction aside, I wouldn't recommend it at all, even if you show no signs of addiction, which isn't likely.[/QUOTE]
Uh then you would assume the same about videogames
alcohol
smoking
gambling
Oh wait clearly this isn't the case because simply having easy access doesnt guarantee addictive behavior
And the point of this thread was?
[QUOTE=Duldef;39054956]And the point of this thread was?[/QUOTE]
OP has failed to provide a single piece of evidence beyond a bunch of authors rambling on about porn from the radical feminist perspective.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;39009005]this is a complete myth
"rape is to do with power" is perhaps the single worst excess of feminism[/QUOTE]
but
it's true
here have a wikipedia entry that sources the things so i don't have to
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_sexual_violence#Groth_typology[/url]
[editline]1st January 2013[/editline]
"single worst excess of feminism"
wait how is rape being about power make rape any less bad
i like reading this thread/op's post because feminists are retarded
[QUOTE=supersnail11;39058863]but
it's true
here have a wikipedia entry that sources the things so i don't have to
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_sexual_violence#Groth_typology[/url][/QUOTE]
Power rape is still sex related; the whole point of it is domination within sex.
Sutff like:
[quote=Wikipedia]Some feminists assert that male domination of women in socio-political and economic domains is the ultimate cause of most rapes, and consider male-female rape to be a crime of power that has little or nothing to do with sex itself.[/quote]
is just fucking stupid and awful because it leads to a mischaracterisation of the rapists as some sort of Patriarchy Enforcers and skewers how we view and deal with the crime.
P.S: Using Wikipedia is not how you properly debate, ya' dick.
OP's favourite porn site has been taken down.
I'd like to note that for the most part masturbation is fine and completely natural, and that the main 'problem', if it could even be considered that, is with pornography. Pornography is arguably not completely bad, as it has pioneered new technologies and is one of the most lucrative businesses in the world (as has been noted frequently in this thread).
However, many say that it does have some bad points, most involving messing with the male mind and such (in severe cases I've heard of ED stemming from porn addiction.) A good example of this is the TEDtalk video posted above. And let us get this straight: masturbation is not bad, the occasional masturbation to porn is not that bad (and masturbation to sources other than porn is even better), but porn addiction IS bad, or compared to not fapping has its negatives.
I would also like to note that porn is not EVERY NSFW content on the web. There are large amounts of NSFW content that is not porn, content that you can still jerk it to.
Many people do not masturbate to porn, or at all, because of the negatives to fapping to porn, because in their opinion it dulls their view of life, etcetera. I've seen many people choose to not fap not because of the porn aspect, but because of how it is to them another method of procrastination or wasting time or having a 'clouded mind.'
[QUOTE=rrunyan;38667198][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU[/media]
[editline]1st December 2012[/editline]
For the record, any opportunity I can get to post this, I take.
Because it's super informative.[/QUOTE]
thanks for posting this
Watching porn and having lustful sex is like revving the engine of a car. It feels good, it sounds good, it makes ladies wet in certain situations, but if you do it too much, when you go to actually run the engine you find it damaged.
That's how I look at it. I try to limit my porn consumption and have turned down sex just cause I didn't really know/like the person too well.
Its the difference between having sex and making love.
[QUOTE=maximizer39v2;38780829]The OP is mostly right. Porn is kind of related to cigarettes. The tobacco companies will market their product to children, I think we all know this. Porn is also addicting, like cigarettes. Both are looked at as an unsightly habit. And if you care about (christian) morals, porn is worse on your morals than smoking. In all, (coming from a person who has watched porn) it's degrading and overall futile. Get a girlfriend![/QUOTE]
Somewhere in 5th grade, I used porn as a method of abstinence because my mother told me about the "horrors" of teen prenancy. While I didn't view women as objects, I became quickly disinterested in porn and sex since I overdid it.
The feminist got pissy and stormed out of the room as usual. Everybody move on.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;38633968]None of this is concrete enough to justify banning porn. Sure, sex trafficking is a problem, but that means we should be fighting sex trafficking, not porn. There's nothing inherently wrong with porn, but there is something inherently wrong with sex trafficking.
[/QUOTE]
There's no point in arguing that "there's nothing inherently wrong with porn", because it doesn't exist as a concept, it exists as an industry that has developed in a particular way. If, at the most basic level, porn [I]is[/I] a justifiable industry, then it requires a total ground-up reconstruction that removes or reworks the elements that exploit workers and promote sexist messages to audiences.
In 2004, condoms were used by only around 17% of American adult film actors engaging in penetrative sex. "Performers report that they are required to work without condoms to maintain employment." Meanwhile they're earning unequal pay. Some get between $400-1000 for a shoot, but see none of the sale money.
([url]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/02/opinion/how-to-put-condoms-in-the-picture.html[/url])
([url]http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0040126[/url])
My suggestion in redesigning the industry would be an emphasis on something like Fair Trade porn that could be taken up by distributor websites. Ideally content producers would want to have the maximum audience, so they would ensure a safe working environment (access to health care, fair pay, unions etc.) in order to have access to the distributor sites. The same for international cable porn channels.
Perhaps a government subsidy could be administered to those sites that decline non-Fair Trade porn. A public sector ombudsman could deal with complaints and independently assess the working conditions.
Of course this wouldn't work internationally, but if it catches on, the idea could gain some renown just as other forms of self-regulation have.
Also you can't just say that sexual trafficking needs to be dealt with rather than porn. Sex trafficking is often a result of the demand for porn. They need to be treated as linked.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;39167123]Also you can't just say that sexual trafficking needs to be dealt with rather than porn. Sex trafficking is often a result of the demand for porn. They need to be treated as linked.[/QUOTE]
I don't see what you mean. Do you mean that people who jack off to porn are likely to buy sex slaves, or are you trying to say that people who participate in pornography are sex slaves themselves? Because either way that's wrong. In America, at least. I can't say the same for other countries that may produce pornography.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;39182700]I don't see what you mean. Do you mean that people who jack off to porn are likely to buy sex slaves, or are you trying to say that people who participate in pornography are sex slaves themselves? Because either way that's wrong. In America, at least. I can't say the same for other countries that may produce pornography.[/QUOTE]
Websites like RedTube or YouPorn don't exclusively stock American porn. And what do you really know of the provenance of porn stars in the US?
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;39201123]Websites like RedTube or YouPorn don't exclusively stock American porn. And what do you really know of the provenance of porn stars in the US?[/QUOTE]
I know that in the US the Porn industry is an actual industry and not just a bunch of dipshits with some cameras and an online connection. They care about business, and news of them using sex slaves in their shoots would be (VERY) bad for business. They also have those legal disclaimers at the start of every video/dvd that states that the actors and actresses were of consenting adults of legal age. And let's not forget the actors and actresses get paid for their jobs (who would pay a slave?), and they go out and do stuff instead of being locked in cages when they aren't doing a shoot. Hell, a good number of these porn stars use twitter, you can follow them and watch as they tweet pictures of themselves NOT being held against their will.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;39212942]I know that in the US the Porn industry is an actual industry and not just a bunch of dipshits with some cameras and an online connection. They care about business, and news of them using sex slaves in their shoots would be (VERY) bad for business. They also have those legal disclaimers at the start of every video/dvd that states that the actors and actresses were of consenting adults of legal age. And let's not forget the actors and actresses get paid for their jobs (who would pay a slave?), and they go out and do stuff instead of being locked in cages when they aren't doing a shoot. Hell, a good number of these porn stars use twitter, you can follow them and watch as they tweet pictures of themselves NOT being held against their will.[/QUOTE]
I'd hope that's the case in the US, but sex slavery isn't always so clear cut. Sex slaves don't need to forever be in servitude; some are taken from their homes in childhood or adolescence and sold into prostitution/pornography industries. Some may end up making food and board money for this once they're of consenting age or whatever, but that doesn't make it okay. All of that said, I'd have no idea if any American porn stars have suffered that kind of upbringing, but I can't imagine how you'd rule it out.
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