[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38591689]The largest consumer of Internet pornography is 12- to 17-year-old boys.[/QUOTE]
Where do they get this information??
The damage that pornography is creating is terrible however there is hope. Many are realizing that pornography addiction has a death-grip on society and people are finally standing up to it. Quitting pornography has a huge list of benefits and before I get interrupted, BASED on scientific facts.
[QUOTE=coolone;39335475]The damage that pornography is creating is terrible however there is hope. Many are realizing that pornography addiction has a death-grip on society and people are finally standing up to it. Quitting pornography has a huge list of benefits and before I get interrupted, BASED on scientific facts.[/QUOTE]
will you share your facts with us addicts so that we may better ourselves by the removal of filth from our bone(r)s?
[QUOTE=XD!;39336059]will you share your facts with us addicts so that we may better ourselves by the removal of filth from our bone(r)s?[/QUOTE]
Definitely and it would be my pleasure. here is the link to a great site in helping us conquer this horrible thing: [URL="http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/"]http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/[/URL]
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
First check out the site and watch the clips. Don't look at YouTube's playlist as that is misleading. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. :smile:
90% of this is just plain made up. The average age of entering prostitution is 12 - 14 years? Who told you that show me some sources this is all bullshit. And if the primary use of porn is to degrade women then what about gay porn? No women involved. You are a brainwashed dult, watch some porn and flick the bean for a while maybe you will loosen up.
[QUOTE=coolone;39339067]Definitely and it would be my pleasure. here is the link to a great site in helping us conquer this horrible thing: [URL="http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/"]http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/[/URL]
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
First check out the site and watch the clips. Don't look at YouTube's playlist as that is misleading. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. :smile:[/QUOTE]
That was a joke. Not everyone who watches pornography is addicted, just like how not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;39156608]The feminist got pissy and stormed out of the room as usual. Everybody move on.[/QUOTE]
Err, not all feminists are anti-porn / sex-negative. I think porn as an idea is good but the majority of porn right now is problematic. There's way too much rapey stuff and it's gross.
No matter what the fuck you think,
You dont have the right to tell other people how they live their lives,
I have no idea what the porn industry's business practises are, if its something that needs to be changed or not.
But making porn illegal, would simply, yet again, create a horrific black market for it, encouraging human trade, make criminals rich, and make untold millions of normal americans criminals.
You dont get to hoist your antequated morals on the rest of us.
Porn is not bad. People have the choice of looking at it or not. I am in high school. 3/4 of the students here watch it. I know that for sure. People who don't have girlfriends and are looking for sexual satisfaction are the majority of porn viewers.
It is not bad at all. It is entirely up to you if you want to make porn or watch porn. Nobody else can decide that for you, and if they do, it isn't fair.
[QUOTE=Squerl101;39506779]Porn is not bad. People have the choice of looking at it or not. I am in high school. 3/4 of the students here watch it. I know that for sure. People who don't have girlfriends and are looking for sexual satisfaction are the majority of porn viewers.
It is not bad at all. It is entirely up to you if you want to make porn or watch porn. Nobody else can decide that for you, and if they do, it isn't fair.[/QUOTE]
Now that is just a sad fact
[QUOTE=coolone;40524327]Now that is just a sad fact[/QUOTE]
Why so?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40530790]Why so?[/QUOTE]
Those high school students will struggle to get girlfriends and not even notice women as they get their daily fix from pornography. Why have a virtual "girlfriend/pornstar" on a screen, who will never actually know you or notice you than have a real girlfriend. That is what is it is all about, the real deal. Give up pornography for a while, you will start to notice and socialize with women more easily.
[QUOTE=coolone;40775336]Those high school students will struggle to get girlfriends and not even notice women as they get their daily fix from pornography. Why have a virtual "girlfriend/pornstar" on a screen, who will never actually know you or notice you than have a real girlfriend. That is what is it is all about, the real deal. Give up pornography for a while, you will start to notice and socialize with women more easily.[/QUOTE]
I am rather sure, then the main reason why you'd interact with women, is for the sake of sex. Then you don't even see women as individuals, but as sex objects. Well, would you look at that train of thought.
[QUOTE=coolone;40775336]Those high school students will struggle to get girlfriends and not even notice women as they get their daily fix from pornography. Why have a virtual "girlfriend/pornstar" on a screen, who will never actually know you or notice you than have a real girlfriend. That is what is it is all about, the real deal. Give up pornography for a while, you will start to notice and socialize with women more easily.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of us watch porn and still have girlfriends.
Your lack of experience with real girls could be stemming from your porn addiction (key word here is ADDICTION - this is the problem with people extrapolating from that website and assuming that any and all porn is bad, alcoholics have serious problems and large changes in their brain, does this mean everyone is addicted to alcohol and alcohol is unequivocally bad? no) or it could be stemming from much more likely, intuitive and logical issues: Inability to carry a conversation, general lack of social experience, inability to escalate beyond polite conversation etc etc.
[QUOTE=coolone;40775336]Those high school students will struggle to get girlfriends and not even notice women as they get their daily fix from pornography. Why have a virtual "girlfriend/pornstar" on a screen, who will never actually know you or notice you than have a real girlfriend. That is what is it is all about, the real deal. Give up pornography for a while, you will start to notice and socialize with women more easily.[/QUOTE]
Soo your argument is based on a life that everyone is supposed to have?
Not everyone wants to have a girlfriend, get married, etc.
My best friends are in their 40's are they dont have a girlfriend, they dont want one, never did.
Saying that if you give up porn for a while you will start noticing women more easily is just like saying stop eating for a while, and everything you eat will taste like the best thing you have ever had.
If you over use something you dont feel the effects of it.
If you eat chilli everyday you will get used to it, and not find it very hot- thats why some people love chilli, and some hate it.
If you watch porn everyday, you wont find many girls hot, and may not feel the need to ask them out.
The 'real deal' is just a fantasy, men do not have to look at women; just like it is a personal choice if they watch porn...
Think of it like this...
There are some real... 'animals' out there, if we allow them to watch their favourite type of porn they wont be so eager to go out and rape people. If there is no porn for them to look at... they will get their daily fix some other way...
Gonna throw a very simple female opinion out there:
-It makes me feel like absolute shit
-I find it difficult to respect any real man that watches it as I consider it something for little teenage boys who can't get their dick wet
-Following from that point, I think it's just pretty lame to stare at some strangers on a screen and touch yourself to it.
It might offer a little comfort while you're doing it but imagine it from an outside perspective, some bloke sat awkwardly in their chair beating themselves off, staring at a computer.
It's just not attractive.
-men that can rely on their imagination or actual real life experience are generally far more appealing, and from my experience, have a lot more tricks up their sleeve.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;40801595]Gonna throw a very simple female opinion out there:
-It makes me feel like absolute shit
-I find it difficult to respect any real man that watches it as I consider it something for little teenage boys who can't get their dick wet
-Following from that point, I think it's just pretty lame to stare at some strangers on a screen and touch yourself to it.
It might offer a little comfort while you're doing it but imagine it from an outside perspective, some bloke sat awkwardly in their chair beating themselves off, staring at a computer.
It's just not attractive.
-men that can rely on their imagination or actual real life experience are generally far more appealing, and from my experience, have a lot more tricks up their sleeve.[/QUOTE]
-Why does it make you feel like shit? is it all porn that makes you feel this way; including gay and lesbian porn, amateur or studio based and do you include pornographic images, erotica or just pornographic movies? How much, if any, porn have you actually watched?
-If you think it's "lame" you're probably going to have a very hard time forming relationships because, as has previously discussed in this thread, the vast majority of people of watch pornography and not just males but also females, homosexuals, bisexuals, heterosexuals etc.
-I'm going to assume you have very little experience of porn as solo masturbation videos are actually quite popular, but more importantly people don't masturbate to attract you.
-Anecdotal evidence about your personal experience is irrelevant and if you really believe you've dated men who don't use pornography or masturbate regularly, you've probably been lied to.
Porn can be quite useful for exploring your sexuality, in my experience. And it hasn't ever limited my sexual performance. I read in a [url=http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12157/abstract]study[/url] that it does have an effect on your sex-life, but in the direction of making you more adventurous.
So yeah, don't overdo it, and everything will be great!
So what if porn can be an addiction?
Just because something can be addictive to some people doesn't mean it's inherently something that is always addictive and damaging to everyone. Take gambling for example. Many people can gamble responsively and enjoy doing it for fun, and some people get addicted and need help. They don't get addicted because gambling is inherently a bad thing, they get addicted because they develop an unhealthy obsession. Criminalizing gambling wouldn't solve anything, because all it would lead to is that people would do it in environments where they aren't protected by the law.
Personally I'm an addict, but I don't blame porn for my addiction.
There have been many factors that made me the person I am today, but blaming the porn industry for my addiction would be like a fat man blaming the grocery store for his weight.
Porn is fun, exciting, and interesting, just like any other form of art. (Most of it is low-quality, of course, but most of *everything* is low-quality.)
[QUOTE=coolone;40775336]Those high school students will struggle to get girlfriends and not even notice women as they get their daily fix from pornography. Why have a virtual "girlfriend/pornstar" on a screen, who will never actually know you or notice you than have a real girlfriend. That is what is it is all about, the real deal. Give up pornography for a while, you will start to notice and socialize with women more easily.[/QUOTE]
Women are not sex robots (nor are men); they're human beings. You talk about sex like it's some kind of ultimate goal.
[QUOTE=Codename 47;40802948]Porn can be quite useful for exploring your sexuality, in my experience. And it hasn't ever limited my sexual performance. I read in a [url=http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12157/abstract]study[/url] that it does have an effect on your sex-life, but in the direction of making you more adventurous.
So yeah, don't overdo it, and everything will be great![/QUOTE]
Definitely -- I doubt that I'd have as much fun in the bedroom if porn didn't exist. It's put some ideas in my head that I probably wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;40801595]Gonna throw a very simple female opinion out there:
-It makes me feel like absolute shit[/QUOTE]
If porn makes you feel like shit, then don't use it.
[QUOTE]-I find it difficult to respect any real man that watches it as I consider it something for little teenage boys who can't get their dick wet
-Following from that point, I think it's just pretty lame to stare at some strangers on a screen and touch yourself to it.[/QUOTE]
-I find it difficult to respect anyone who thinks in terms of "real men" in the 21st century.
-I think it's pretty lame to judge people for doing something you don't like.
[QUOTE]It might offer a little comfort while you're doing it but imagine it from an outside perspective, some bloke sat awkwardly in their chair beating themselves off, staring at a computer.
It's just not attractive.[/QUOTE]
I beg to differ; it's hot as fuck. Regardless, outside perspective is totally irrelevant, considering that masturbation to porn is generally a solo activity.
[QUOTE]-men that can rely on their imagination or actual real life experience are generally far more appealing, and from my experience, have a lot more tricks up their sleeve.[/QUOTE]
Just like how people who don't read are the best writers, right?
[QUOTE=gufu;40775603]I am rather sure, then the main reason why you'd interact with women, is for the sake of sex. Then you don't even see women as individuals, but as sex objects. Well, would you look at that train of thought.[/QUOTE]
I personally think the main problem with "nice guys", is their existence is an evil circle. Guys who don't do well with women and thinks that girls only like guys who are assholes, are rejected by women for being awkward and/or misogynistic, and because of being rejected they are never taught to feel any different from being in a relationship with a woman. Their only experiences of women are negative, and therefor they are unable to think of women as anything positive. They exist because we rather hate people with ignorant views and tell them to change, than actually trying to make them feel any different by making them feel accepted.
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
IMO, the best most effective way to fight prejudice has always been positive exposure to the thing you have negative experiences of. Becoming friends with and feeling accepted with people of other skin color, sexuality, and gender is according to me something more likely to make you feel positive about them than being punished because your opinions are unacceptable.
Bah, sorry... I guess we've gotten a bit off topic
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
Oh and wonderful, the post didn't merge for some reason
[QUOTE=Simski;40897207]I personally think the main problem with "nice guys", is their existence is an evil circle. Guys who don't do well with women and thinks that girls only like guys who are assholes, are rejected by women for being awkward and/or misogynistic, and because of being rejected they are never taught to feel any different from being in a relationship with a woman. Their only experiences of women are negative, and therefor they are unable to think of women as anything positive. They exist because we rather hate people with ignorant views and tell them to change, than actually trying to make them feel any different by making them feel accepted.[/QUOTE]
Change has to come from within, the only way people stop being Nice Guys® is by questioning themselves deeply — which is a thing that rarely happens
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40898189]Change has to come from within, the only way people stop being Nice Guys® is by questioning themselves deeply — which is a thing that rarely happens[/QUOTE]
It happens more often than not; guys think their trouble with girls has to do with them being nice and they start to become rude and arrogant. They tell themselves they're doing it on purpose and won't actually change on the inside, but they become assholes for so long they forget the nice guy inside.
On topic, porn in amounts is okay, and in no country or government should it be illigal (minus CP, gore, etc.), but the type of porn the industry is producing should change greatly. With all the expectations guys are getting that those situations actually happen they're becoming more self-centered and misogynistic. That's getting into a whole other debate of feminism and where the line should be drawn, though. Point being, porn is turning even nice guys into unaware, miogynistic assholes who think girls are sex and sandwich making "robots" (emotionless, disposable). On the other side of that, I can say that girls take advantage of guys' mindsets and become sluts, having sex with anyone they can. I can personally vouch for this as I am still in high school, and even at a middle class 5A high school such as my own, girls still sleep around, thinking they're safe and all that. I can say a lot of this is their exposure to the media and porn thinking they're safe even if they use a condom or the pill. That's also getting to that huge debate of health education, but point being, I think the type of porn (the "rapey" junk) should be limited, or have a more enforced age limit on it. Innocent people, many of which their first time watching porn and don't realize the pseudo-reality, end up thinking that's how it actually, guys and even girls. I would even go as far to say that's a large factor of teen pregnancy, that and many shows such as 16 and pregnant that glorify it. Sorry if I got too off topic there, wanted to make sure I got all I wanted to say in there.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40898189]Change has to come from within, the only way people stop being Nice Guys® is by questioning themselves deeply — which is a thing that rarely happens[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. People that have problems need help, not scorn. Nice guys rarely change, because their hatred is fueled by loneliness. By rejecting them and treating them like shit, you're only reinforcing their negative views. The idea that "change has to come within" is a selfish way to free yourself from any responsibility to help others, and avoids the problem instead of dealing with it. If you want others to become better people, help them become better people.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
Nice guys are usually guys with self-esteem issues and depressions, they're not bad by nature, they're bad because they're insecure. People seem to think that the only way to improve your self-esteem is by single-handedly changing who you are completely, but my personal experience is that the only thing that actually helped improve my self-esteem was having a step-brother who's loyal as a friend and that helped set me up with a girl, and the girl I met that made me realize how it feels to be loved.
Self-esteem is not something that you can magically create from nothing, it comes from feeling secure and happy with your life. "Nice guys" rarely change, because sad and lonely people don't get less sad and lonely by being avoided.
i think this all built upon how you would view sex
[QUOTE=Simski;40909221]Bullshit. People that have problems need help, not scorn. Nice guys rarely change, because their hatred is fueled by loneliness. By rejecting them and treating them like shit, you're only reinforcing their negative views. The idea that "change has to come within" is a selfish way to free yourself from any responsibility to help others, and avoids the problem instead of dealing with it. If you want others to become better people, help them become better people.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
Nice guys are usually guys with self-esteem issues and depressions, they're not bad by nature, they're bad because they're insecure. People seem to think that the only way to improve your self-esteem is by single-handedly changing who you are completely, but my personal experience is that the only thing that actually helped improve my self-esteem was having a step-brother who's loyal as a friend and that helped set me up with a girl, and the girl I met that made me realize how it feels to be loved.
Self-esteem is not something that you can magically create from nothing, it comes from feeling secure and happy with your life. "Nice guys" rarely change, because sad and lonely people don't get less sad and lonely by being avoided.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, once out of high school, I've found that being a nice guy is way more accepted than being a big douche, although, it often depends on what friends you choose. If you want to hang out with assholes, you kind of have to be one, otherwise you're going to be made fun of.
Yo you dudes are getting off topic, you could always open up another thread if you want to continue along this thread of conversation.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;40923657]Yo you dudes are getting off topic, you could always open up another thread if you want to continue along this thread of conversation.[/QUOTE]
I might just do that, but the argument is relevant to the topic, the causes of watching porn and the effect of it on different kinds of people.
[QUOTE=coolone;40775336]Those high school students will struggle to get girlfriends and not even notice women as they get their daily fix from pornography. Why have a virtual "girlfriend/pornstar" on a screen, who will never actually know you or notice you than have a real girlfriend. That is what is it is all about, the real deal. Give up pornography for a while, you will start to notice and socialize with women more easily.[/QUOTE]
this is not an argument and not true as it's a wide generalization based on your personal experience.
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