• The argument AGAINST pornography
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tl;dr: lets keep our children uneducated about today's world reality, wich focus on pornography and god knows what else.
wanking good for your health and keeps your wrist lubricated.....
90% of the people against pornography are Christians. There is no scientific evidence that pornography is damaging or masturbation. [editline]13th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Shadaez;39502698]Err, not all feminists are anti-porn / sex-negative. I think porn as an idea is good but the majority of porn right now is problematic. There's way too much rapey stuff and it's gross.[/QUOTE] I agree rape porn should be banned.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;41025173]90% of the people against pornography are Christians. There is no scientific evidence that pornography is damaging or masturbation. [editline]13th June 2013[/editline] I agree rape porn should be banned.[/QUOTE] Why ban rape porn? As long as the actors aren't harmed, it brings no problems.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;41025173]90% of the people against pornography are Christians. There is no scientific evidence that pornography is damaging or masturbation.[/QUOTE] I am rather sure that there are multiple other religions that are against pornography. Islam and Judaism, for example.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41025673]Why ban rape porn? As long as the actors aren't harmed, it brings no problems.[/QUOTE] It influences young minds to think it's okay to do that to women.
then dont let your 6 year old watch porn? im sure a 6th grader would understand its not okay to rape women by the time they discover porn bro
[QUOTE=code_gs;41029338]It influences young minds to think it's okay to do that to women.[/QUOTE] So there's been studies on this showing a correlation?
I see that a lot of the arguments being used against rape pornography are rather similar to the argument against video games, and I find this absolutely ludicrous. Unless you are mentally deranged (In which case you shouldn't even have access to porn) then watching rape porn wont make you, an educated, mature person, to stand up, go outside, and rape someone. Just as violent video games don't make people kill everyone. Something else, you think it's gross that men watch porn? Do you watch them watch the porn? No? Well why are you complaining? If anything, masturbating is good, and most likely reduces the chance of rape. If someone masturbates, then they've already been satisfied for the day, they'll have no need to go out and rape someone. Whereas if someone didn't watch porn and masturbate, then their 'urges' may just get the better of them. [QUOTE]The damage that pornography is creating is terrible however there is hope. Many are realizing that pornography addiction has a death-grip on society and people are finally standing up to it. Quitting pornography has a huge list of benefits and before I get interrupted, BASED on scientific facts.[/QUOTE] Damage? What kind of damage, where did you get this information and what tests were conducted to find this out? I find it highly improbable that it's a real thing. 'death-grip on society' ...People can watch porn or not watch porn, it's just something someone likes to do. How is it any different from playing a video game, or reading a book, or watching a film? It isn't. I've stopped masturbating plenty of times before, you know how many positive affects there were? None. [B]That[/B] is a fact. All stopping masturbating makes me do, is imagine what my female friends look like naked. Would you rather I talked to you normally, or envisioned us having sex whilst we talked?
[QUOTE=code_gs;41029338]It influences young minds to think it's okay to do that to women.[/QUOTE] While you're at it, ban thinking, it influences people to do bad things.
The feminist author Laurie Penny recently published an article on the New Statesman arguing against banning pornography: [quote] One of the most common retorts to the anti-porn alliance is that to campaign against online smut is to do something disgusting and decidedly post-watershed into the wind. The genie of unlimited filth has been let out of its dodgy bottle and no amount of legislation will stop us polishing our lamps. That’s true, but it’s inadequate. After all, I spend my life, as an idealist and a feminist, arguing that vast, ambitious social change is not only possible but essential. Controlling the consumption of online pornography would require an enormous programme of state and corporate censorship, and the argument against this sort of socio-sexual state control should be not that it is unfeasible, but that it is monstrous. I do not want to live in a world where the government and a select few conservative feminists get to decide what we may and may not masturbate to, and use the bodies of murdered women or children as emotional pawns in that debate. It is supremely difficult to achieve radical ends by conservative means. Feminists and everyone who seeks to end sexual violence should be very cautious when their immediate goals seem to line up neatly with those of social conservatives and state censors. I believe in a world where violence against women and children is not routine. After all, the idea of a world without sexism is no more unrealistic than getting rid of pornography – and a lot more fun. [/quote] [url]http://www.newstatesman.com/sci-tech/2013/06/genie-unlimited-filth-out-bottle-and-no-law-can-stop-us-polishing-our-lamps[/url] This is a good sign, even relatively radical feminists are abandoning this cause.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39502698]Err, not all feminists are anti-porn / sex-negative. I think porn as an idea is good but the majority of porn right now is problematic. There's way too much rapey stuff and it's gross.[/QUOTE] This sums it up pretty well. Most feminists support women being able to do what they want with their body. I have mixed opinions here. Pornography can be harmful, misogynist, etc, but it simply existing is not a bad thing. I also think it depends on what type of stuff you're watching. I think the most important thing is that, if you are into porn, know the difference between what you're watching and what sex is like in real life. It's okay for people to watch it, as long as they realize that not all womens are going to act like the people you see in porn. “We are now bringing up a generation of boys on cruel, violent porn. … Given what we know about how images affect people, this is going to have a profound influence on their sexuality, behavior and attitudes towards women.” Personally, I think Sex Education in school should be doing more to combat this. I don't even remember consent being mentioned in our lessons. We should start being taught from a young age that we are not entitled to other people's bodies. Like, none of that 'boys will be boys!' shit. "Porn teaches its consumers that women exist for the pleasure of men and that their purpose is to be degraded and dehumanized for men’s excitement" This I do agree is a problem. We should be encouraging more 'female friendly' porn, as opposed to male fantasy stuff.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;41209998]This sums it up pretty well. Most feminists support women being able to do what they want with their body. I have mixed opinions here. Pornography can be harmful, misogynist, etc, but it simply existing is not a bad thing. I also think it depends on what type of stuff you're watching. I think the most important thing is that, if you are into porn, know the difference between what you're watching and what sex is like in real life. It's okay for people to watch it, as long as they realize that not all womens are going to act like the people you see in porn. “We are now bringing up a generation of boys on cruel, violent porn. … Given what we know about how images affect people, this is going to have a profound influence on their sexuality, behavior and attitudes towards women.” Personally, I think Sex Education in school should be doing more to combat this. I don't even remember consent being mentioned in our lessons. We should start being taught from a young age that we are not entitled to other people's bodies. Like, none of that 'boys will be boys!' shit. "Porn teaches its consumers that women exist for the pleasure of men and that their purpose is to be degraded and dehumanized for men’s excitement" This I do agree is a problem. We should be encouraging more 'female friendly' porn, as opposed to male fantasy stuff.[/QUOTE] one of the big things we got taught was that no means no, so I think they are educated us some in that
porno ban would lead to an increase in angry masterburation and therefore violence. however, that brutal masochistic Nazi porn shit gotta go. Ghetto gaggers is the most racist and disgusting shit ever. The US Army doesn't even restrict breathing that long for POW's undergoing waterboarding torture
This is directed to: AaronTAB. You clearly need to broaden your horizons. First of all with you comment regarding the fact that women are not sex robots. I agree, however you make it sound as if that is what I conveyed in a previous post. It's more than just a sexual relationship. It is about true love, it is about connecting as two human beings. It is about caring for another human being, other than yourself. Yes men and women are equal, therefore we have similar needs. We need to communicate, share emotions and enjoy life together :). Have a great day.
[QUOTE=jertan;38612362]"porn supports rape culture" ahahhaha[/QUOTE] Yeah, I didn't think this would be a serious thread, either. When I read that bit and others, I knew it couldn't be real. This is probably written by a woman, too, or an emasculated man. I'd bet money. Porn stimulates creativity in our own private lives. It provides an outlet for both men and women when their partner isn't interested at that moment. It can be very tastefully done (Camille Crimson, anyone?). It provides a solution for single people to see teh bewbies. I am so sick and tired of religious and otherwise affiliated people trying to stick their fingers into everyone else's lives and using Porn among their favorite targets for doing so. If you don't like it, stay out of it. Mind your own business and don't tell me what I can and cannot do in my own home when there is no victim. Butt out!
Pornography obviously leads to escalation and causes people to objectify other human beings and treat them like as something less than human. When you condition yourself by watching a lot of pornography you divorce the notion of love and a human relationship from sex to the point where it can become very damaging to whoever you have a sexual relationship with. Also there is a reason the types of language used in lad's mags is the same language used by rapists to justify their actions; 'she was asking for it' and the like. To deny the possibility that pornography can encourage things like rape is foolish. Women are right to get angry about the porn industry, its the selfish generation that we belong to (and I don't deny being one of them) who use pornography and attempt to justify it despite it ultimately being abhorrent.
So do bikinis and mini skirts. What are you going to do? Jump into other people's lives again and tell them that they can't wear what they want to wear? You're jumping to conclusions. Porn doesn't make me objectify anyone. Your entire premise is flawed and narrow-minded.
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43273057']So do bikinis and mini skirts. What are you going to do? Jump into other people's lives again and tell them that they can't wear what they want to wear? You're jumping to conclusions. Porn doesn't make me objectify anyone. Your entire premise is flawed and narrow-minded.[/QUOTE] This seems equivalent to the drug addict who claims he can quit at any point. The fact you interpret bikinis as being overtly arousing is evidence enough that you have been conditioned to view women as sexual objects. Its just a woman's body, sure you ought to get aroused when appropriate, but to ogle every woman in a miniskirt seems disrespectful at best. I know its hard to ignore these impulses, but you have to recognise it as a weakness in our society that sex is used so much to advertise and exploit women, and at least try to develop some kind of moral backbone with regards to the porn industry.
[QUOTE=jobizzle;43273259]This seems equivalent to the drug addict who claims he can quit at any point. The fact you interpret bikinis as being overtly arousing is evidence enough that you have been conditioned to view women as sexual objects. Its just a woman's body, sure you ought to get aroused when appropriate, but to ogle every woman in a miniskirt seems disrespectful at best. I know its hard to ignore these impulses, but you have to recognise it as a weakness in our society that sex is used so much to advertise and exploit women, and at least try to develop some kind of moral backbone with regards to the porn industry.[/QUOTE] You're making logically flawed arguments. Who cares whether the drug addict can quit at any point or not? Let him have his drugs. If he wants to kill himself with them, so be it. It's his life, not mine. Your "sexual objects" statements are nothing short of intellectually dishonest. All men are sexually attracted to the physical beauty of women. That's how we're wired. It's evolutionary biology 101 up in here, apparently. "HOW DARE YOU BE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN!" is your ignorant statement. Who said anything about oggling every woman in a miniskirt? You're playing the Strawman Argument game now, too. It sounds like you have let yourself get sucked in to the shame of our sexuality that your religion (I'm willing to bet money that you're religious) has brainwashed you into feeling and judging others with. Just because YOU are ashamed of your sexuality doesn't mean that everyone else is or should be. Do you ever argue honestly or logically? Do you ever make a reasonable statement without injecting things your opponent never said or twisting them to fit your agenda? Are you even capable of being honest with yourself? Morals and ethics are completely subjective and I [B]reject[/B] your blanket statements and your [I]forceful projection of your own fucked up morals and ethics onto everyone else[/I]. Let's take extreme forms of sex, as an example. If two people want to go into the privacy of their own home and shit on each other's chest and get off on it, I'm all for it. I'm not turned on by it at all, but their attraction and passion and actions are none of my business. If they want to film it and sell it to others who are willing to buy it, that's fine with me too since that's between them and their customers. I might see the movie cover, but big fucking deal. We're all subjected to exposure of things in this world that we don't like and we all have to deal with it like adults. If I don't want to see the movie, then I don't buy it. I don't watch it. However, I certainly won't judge or condemn someone else who wants to watch that kind of stuff. I don't spit on women, I don't slap or spank them, I don't donkey punch them, but there are a LOT of women who like that sort of thing and I, unlike YOU, are not judgmental enough to condemn them for what they like. You are the poster child for bigotry and hate mongering and control freak.
Porn has help me and my GF learn special tricks ;)
[QUOTE=Secrios;43273396]Porn has help me and my GF learn special tricks ;)[/QUOTE] See? Very nice! I bet it's spiced up your sex life quite a bit. I bet you two have an even stronger bond now because of the intimacy you share. I bet your relationship is even stronger because of the bonding neurotransmitters released during sex. Congrats, sir :)
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43273373']You're making logically flawed arguments. Who cares whether the drug addict can quit at any point or not? Let him have his drugs. If he wants to kill himself with them, so be it. It's his life, not mine. Your "sexual objects" statements are nothing short of intellectually dishonest. All men are sexually attracted to the physical beauty of women. That's how we're wired. It's evolutionary biology 101 up in here, apparently. "HOW DARE YOU BE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN!" is your ignorant statement. Who said anything about oggling every woman in a miniskirt? You're playing the Strawman Argument game now, too. It sounds like you have let yourself get sucked in to the shame of our sexuality that your religion (I'm willing to bet money that you're religious) has brainwashed you into feeling and judging others with. Just because YOU are ashamed of your sexuality doesn't mean that everyone else is or should be. Do you ever argue honestly or logically? Do you ever make a reasonable statement without injecting things your opponent never said or twisting them to fit your agenda? Are you even capable of being honest with yourself? Morals and ethics are completely subjective and I [B]reject[/B] your blanket statements and your [I]forceful projection of your own fucked up morals and ethics onto everyone else[/I]. Let's take extreme forms of sex, as an example. If two people want to go into the privacy of their own home and shit on each other's chest and get off on it, I'm all for it. I'm not turned on by it at all, but their attraction and passion and actions are none of my business. If they want to film it and sell it to others who are willing to buy it, that's fine with me too since that's between them and their customers. I might see the movie cover, but big fucking deal. We're all subjected to exposure of things in this world that we don't like and we all have to deal with it like adults. If I don't want to see the movie, then I don't buy it. I don't watch it. However, I certainly won't judge or condemn someone else who wants to watch that kind of stuff. I don't spit on women, I don't slap or spank them, I don't donkey punch them, but there are a LOT of women who like that sort of thing and I, unlike YOU, are not judgmental enough to condemn them for what they like. You are the poster child for bigotry and hate mongering and control freak.[/QUOTE] Again you call me hate mongering and bigoted because I want to view other people as human beings and not ends to be exploited for sexual gratification! Of course its none of my business what people get up to in their private life, but porn makes it public to those who wish to view it. Is that not wrong? I am religious, and i'm not ashamed to say so. Sexual love is a divine gift in my view and ought to be cherished, not treated as blandly as a handshake. I'm sorry you hold such little value or regard for human love and relationships.
[QUOTE=jobizzle;43273452]Again you call me hate mongering and bigoted because I want to view other people as human beings and not ends to be exploited for sexual gratification! Of course its none of my business what people get up to in their private life, but porn makes it public to those who wish to view it. Is that not wrong? I am religious, and i'm not ashamed to say so. Sexual love is a divine gift in my view and ought to be cherished, not treated as blandly as a handshake. I'm sorry you hold such little value or regard for human love and relationships.[/QUOTE] No, I call you a judgmental hate mongering bigot because you want to force your subjective opinion onto everyone else and you judge others who reject your opinion. The very definition of bigoted. Divine gift to be cherished? OH PLEASE. I was right about you being religious. Sex isn't a divine gift any more than breathing is. NOTHING is a divine gift because the divine does not exist. This is your own perception problem. You have women on a pedestal and you're playing the high-horse soap box game. I value humans and relationships a LOT more than you do, since I'm willing to accept and respect other people's choices in how they manage their own relationships. You, on the other hand, devalue every method that isn't your own. YOU are the problem here, not me.
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43273506']No, I call you a judgmental hate mongering bigot because you want to force your subjective opinion onto everyone else and you judge others who reject your opinion. The very definition of bigoted. Divine gift to be cherished? OH PLEASE. I was right about you being religious. Sex isn't a divine gift any more than breathing is. NOTHING is a divine gift because the divine does not exist. This is your own perception problem. You have women on a pedestal and you're playing the high-horse soap box game. I value humans and relationships a LOT more than you do, since I'm willing to accept and respect other people's choices in how they manage their own relationships. You, on the other hand, devalue every method that isn't your own. YOU are the problem here, not me.[/QUOTE] Treating women as I myself would want to be treated is putting them on a pedestal? It sounds to me like you are misinterpreting my words. I hold true to my beliefs because they are convictions, not because i'm some nasty, vindictive little man who wants to catch out everyone who has kinky sex now and then. I admit I am sometimes incontinent with regards to lust, and I wish I wasn't, but at least I recognise it is a problem and try to improve. You want to have the cake and eat it too, but actions have consequences even when they seem to impact only your own pleasure. As long as a demand for porn and an industry exists you will have sexism, objectification of women and the degeneration of human relationships. Unfortunately its so subtle you seem not to have even noticed it. If you treat sex like breathing I feel sorry for your other half! Plus that sounds more than a little like an addiction.
[QUOTE=jobizzle;43273608]Treating women as I myself would want to be treated is putting them on a pedestal? It sounds to me like you are misinterpreting my words. [/quote] Ah, yes, the inevitable "I'm misunderstood" routine. [quote]I hold true to my beliefs because they are convictions, not because i'm some nasty, vindictive little man who wants to catch out everyone who has kinky sex now and then. I admit I am sometimes incontinent with regards to lust, and I wish I wasn't, but at least I recognise it is a problem and try to improve. You want to have the cake and eat it too, but actions have consequences even when they seem to impact only your own pleasure. As long as a demand for porn and an industry exists you will have sexism, objectification of women and the degeneration of human relationships. Unfortunately its so subtle you seem not to have even noticed it.[/quote] Your convictions have you judging other people and forcing your opinions onto others. Your sexual drive is nothing to be ashamed of. It's natural and healthy to be attracted to others. Your religion has you brainwashed into being ashamed of your sexuality. Just because YOU fell for that trap doesn't mean that everyone else needs to or that your view is even correct. [quote]If you treat sex like breathing I feel sorry for your other half! Plus that sounds more than a little like an addiction.[/QUOTE] Thank you for proving my point beautifully with more bigoted hate mongering judgments from your corner.
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43273674']Ah, yes, the inevitable "I'm misunderstood" routine. Your convictions have you judging other people and forcing your opinions onto others. Your sexual drive is nothing to be ashamed of. It's natural and healthy to be attracted to others. Your religion has you brainwashed into being ashamed of your sexuality. Just because YOU fell for that trap doesn't mean that everyone else needs to or that your view is even correct. Thank you for proving my point beautifully with more bigoted hate mongering judgments from your corner.[/QUOTE] Or maybe I see porn as shameful because its wrong? have you considered that? Have you ever asked the older generation whether they consider it acceptable, or are they too old and 'bigoted' to see your enlightened world view?
[QUOTE=jobizzle;43273728]Or maybe I see porn as shameful because its wrong? [/quote] This is a completely subjective statement based on your religiously brainwashed fucked up morals and ethics. [quote]have you considered that? Have you ever asked the older generation whether they consider it acceptable, or are they too old and 'bigoted' to see your enlightened world view?[/QUOTE] It used to be common place to walk around naked. Not until the religious revolution that is Judaism were we reduced to shame for our sexuality. Contrary to your skewed opinion, just because the "older generation" sees it one way doesn't mean that point of view is reasonable or rational. Watch a show on Netflix called Bust Out.
[QUOTE=jobizzle;43273728]Or maybe I see porn as shameful because its wrong? have you considered that? Have you ever asked the older generation whether they consider it acceptable, or are they too old and 'bigoted' to see your enlightened world view?[/QUOTE] With every statement you just prove his point more and more. Sex is natural. Being attracted to people is natural. If it was wrong, if it was against God, he wouldn't have made it that way.
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43273778']This is a completely subjective statement based on your religiously brainwashed fucked up morals and ethics. It used to be common place to walk around naked. Not until the religious revolution that is Judaism were we reduced to shame for our sexuality. Contrary to your skewed opinion, just because the "older generation" sees it one way doesn't mean that point of view is reasonable or rational. Watch a show on Netflix called Bust Out.[/QUOTE] Its always good to hear a different viewpoint, I didn't say the older generation would be right, but it would offer something new i'm sure. Human sacrifice was also commonplace before Judaism, would you approve of that too? There's no shame in Christianity or Judaism with regards to sexuality; it rather integrates one's sexuality into their whole being instead of treating it like a constant nagging appetite that needs to be satisfied. [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Xenomoose;43273800]With every statement you just prove his point more and more. Sex is natural. Being attracted to people is natural. If it was wrong, if it was against God, he wouldn't have made it that way.[/QUOTE] Of course they are, but porn is not natural, it is artificial and dehumanised.
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