• [TotalBiscuit] Overwatch's Strong Animal Heroes and that one Winston pose
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don't worry guys its been fixed [img]http://i.imgur.com/2OqJRn0.jpg[/img]
I think I'm beginning to notice a trend here everyone. All of these "problems" are with female characters. Therefore, female characters are the problem. Therefore, remove all female characters, problem solved. [sp]If it isn't obvious enough, I'm being sarcastic.[/sp] But really, where does this crap end?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;50023529]This post is as dumb as the one complaining about the pose. It's fucking stupid that they removed it because someone's feelers were hurt, but your whining is just as annoying as theirs.[/QUOTE] On the contrary, buying this game now says you're perfectly okay with this and encourages this behavior of pandering to dumbest tumblrite posts of your shit fanbase. If you are then okay with it buy it, but the one way to get a company to listen to you (especially if you aren't a tumblrina) is to not buy their product. But who am I kidding, no video game ever has been boycotted properly and that's part of the reason why the industry is in the state is is now. Like people keep preordering games and games keep being broken piles of shit on launch.
and here I was being skeptical of the /v/GA's 2015 award for Crimes Against Gaming being Political Correctness.
It always amuses me when people find sexualised stuff in things that are not related to sex. Like if all you thought was sex while watching Tracer's pose then maybe something wrong with you?
should probably remove reinhardt's flex pose as well since it plays into the male power fantasy trope. [t]http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/reinhardt-victory-pose-3-flex.png[/t]
To be fair, with the recent trend in "IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US WE'LL BITCH UP A STORM" these days, I can understand Blizzards stance. It's not they want to pander or some shit. If it was just one or two posts about it, then big whoop right? But the whole thing got bigger and bigger, so Blizzard had two choices. 1. Leave it alone to probably turn into a bigger storm. or 2. Just shut it all up by removing the pose, it'll cause anger from the other side, but that side is negligible against the side that can possibly be big enough to bring fire down on Blizzard. Sucks but I'm sure eventually we'll get over it. I see no issue either way, It doesn't change the game to majorly, it didn't add much either. Yeah removing something because of people crying about it sucks, but I can understand Blizz's position here.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50024129]To be fair, with the recent trend in "IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US WE'LL BITCH UP A STORM" these days, I can understand Blizzards stance. It's not they want to pander or some shit. If it was just one or two posts about it, then big whoop right? But the whole thing got bigger and bigger, so Blizzard had two choices. 1. Leave it alone to probably turn into a bigger storm. or 2. Just shut it all up by removing the pose, it'll cause anger from the other side, but that side is negligible against the side that can possibly be big enough to bring fire down on Blizzard. Sucks but I'm sure eventually we'll get over it. I see no issue either way, It doesn't change the game to majorly, it didn't add much either. Yeah removing something because of people crying about it sucks, but I can understand Blizz's position here.[/QUOTE] Artist should always stand for his artistic vision. What they should have done is ignore anything that is related to art or presentation and focus on fixing the game. They've listened a whiney minority and now angered their dedicated community.
[QUOTE=the tee;50024142]Artist should always stand for his artistic vision. What they should have done is ignore anything that is related to art or presentation and only fixing the game. They've listened a whiney minority and now angered their dedicated community.[/QUOTE] Would it have stopped them from getting bigger though? All they would have to do is go to their media outlets and whine even louder. Thus attracting more attention and making that "minority" into something bigger. I don't see why the pose matters, It's one pose. It sucks yea, but I don't see the worth in fighting over it. If other poses were removed I'd have an issue, but it's one pose to smack down a minority of whiners because it could snowball into something bigger over said pose. Again, totally not putting this against Blizzard here.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50024129]To be fair, with the recent trend in "IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US WE'LL BITCH UP A STORM" these days, I can understand Blizzards stance. It's not they want to pander or some shit. If it was just one or two posts about it, then big whoop right? But the whole thing got bigger and bigger, so Blizzard had two choices. 1. Leave it alone to probably turn into a bigger storm. or 2. Just shut it all up by removing the pose, it'll cause anger from the other side, but that side is negligible against the side that can possibly be big enough to bring fire down on Blizzard. Sucks but I'm sure eventually we'll get over it. I see no issue either way, It doesn't change the game to majorly, it didn't add much either. Yeah removing something because of people crying about it sucks, but I can understand Blizz's position here.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it a SINGLE person bitching about the pose? They'd have less of a shitstorm on their hands if they simply said "sorry you feel this way, why not use another pose/animation instead of the one that bothers you." Plus, priorities? She kills people for a living and you're upset because of an optional pose of her's?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50024148]removing it caused the bigger storm leaving it there would of done nothing except just piss off one dude and one less sale which when you account profits and how much money they'll make off of it won't mean jack shit[/QUOTE] Then what's the fucking point either way then? Ignore it or piss off more people. There is no solution here for Blizzard. We aren't thinking about it from Blizzard's position. We could easily ignore whiney people getting upset at brit butts, but Blizzard is a company that has to think about recent events. Sure they could ignore it and make a stand for artistic vision, but risk the whole thing turning into another Gamer Gate vs Anti-gg battleground.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;50024150]Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it a SINGLE person bitching about the pose? They'd have less of a shitstorm on their hands if they simply said "sorry you feel this way, why not use another pose/animation instead of the one that bothers you." Plus, priorities? She kills people for a living and you're upset because of an optional pose of her's?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Steel & Iron;50023197]Pretty healthy discussion about it, you can read more here. [url]http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20743015583[/url] However the first page or so saying things like "It's just one pose" "Grow a backbone" "Not sure if troll" etc. Then Blizzard responded and closed the thread. Then the forum started having other discussions about it. [t]http://i.imgur.com/FFBZr7V.png[/t] Most of those threads got locked after a few posts.[/QUOTE] They could, but I don't see the point in complaning about it now, they did what they did, they have no choice but to commit, or look even stupider.
what the fuck does a pose have anything to do with recent events.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50024169]They could, but I don't see the point in complaning about it now, they did what they did, they have no choice but to commit, or look even stupider.[/QUOTE] And I don't see the point in not informing Blizzard they made a really stupid call here. Listening to a single person/handful of people vs. the community at large (which is now upset due to said decision.)
I don't know if it's been mentioned but how the fuck could the guy use his young daughter in his argument when this is supposed to be a violent fps? It's okay for people to get blown apart but god forbid a character show her fully clothed ass. The fuck kinda double standard is that?
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;50024203]I don't know if it's been mentioned but how the fuck could the guy use his young daughter in his argument when this is supposed to be a violent fps? It's okay for people to get blown apart but god forbid a character show her fully clothed ass. The fuck kinda double standard is that?[/QUOTE] Overwatch is not really violent by FPS standards. There's blood but people don't get "blown apart", this isn't TF2.
on the same topic: Fuck China I want my world-wide popular competitive games to have skeletons in them.
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;50024203]I don't know if it's been mentioned but how the fuck could the guy use his young daughter in his argument when this is supposed to be a violent fps? It's okay for people to get blown apart but god forbid a character show her fully clothed ass. The fuck kinda double standard is that?[/QUOTE] God forbid other characters still have the same "SEXUAL" pose. Others being less clothed than Tracer too.
I don't understand how, when something related to violence is removed or censored in any way because somebody got offended, people get up in arms (and rightfully so) but when it's stuff related to eroticism, like this supposed "sexy pose", people are just sorta willing to let it slide. Why is that? I thought people did not like and were trying to fight the fact that violence is all a-okay in media and yet eroticism is treated as taboo. Should we not be trying to protect games' rights to have sexually provocative imagery? (assuming this pose even qualifies as such, which I don't think it does)
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;50023168]Fuck YOU Blizzard. She is barely showing any fucking skin besides her own damn face. How the flying fuck can this even remotely be considered sexual? Because the leggings are skin tight? I really do think every game needs to just come with a "burqa" mode just to shut these kinds of people up. And I really wish companies would stop fucking pandering to easily offended people. A fucking ANIMATION offends you? For gods sake, grow the fuck up.[/QUOTE] I agree I think we should just ban all womens pants so they can't pose suggestively in leggings anymore. Womens pants are harming the representation of females everywhere and it has to be stopped. Remove womens asses too, those are literally problematic giving men the urge to rape. Just replace women with spooky ghosts it's for the best.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;50024195]And I don't see the point in not informing Blizzard they made a really stupid call here. Listening to a single person/handful of people vs. the community at large (which is now upset due to said decision.)[/QUOTE] They're not gonna listen. They'll look anti-progressive then, and folks will ride that for all it's worth (see Anita Sarkeesan.) Blizzard just ain't gonna listen, not in this case I don't think. We have to take it up the ass because we live on a bullshit internet that makes this kind of shit happen.
[QUOTE=FetusFondler;50024226]I don't understand how, when something related to violence is removed or censored in any way because somebody got offended, people get up in arms (and rightfully so) [B]but when it's stuff related to eroticism, like this supposed "sexy pose", people are just sorta willing to let it slide. Why is that?[/B][/QUOTE] Did you read the thread? The exact opposite is happening, people are freaking out :v:
I mean if anyone wants to make a petition to blizzard asking to revert their choice, go ahead, I just don't think they'll care. Even then what do we get back? One pose of someone looking over their shoulder. I think it's ridiculous that so much shit is being kicked up over one fucking pose.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50024237]They're not gonna listen. They'll look anti-progressive then, and folks will ride that for all it's worth (see Anita Sarkeesan.) Blizzard just ain't gonna listen, not in this case I don't think. We have to take it up the ass because we live on a bullshit internet that makes this kind of shit happen.[/QUOTE] And Anita's followers don't really seem to buy games in the first place so that feels like an empty threat. Moreover, I would argue they'd get more sales from people like the ones in this thread for sticking up for the community and artistic expression. Just because you're fine with "taking it up the ass" doesn't mean anyone else should be if they dislike it.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50024250]I mean if anyone wants to make a petition to blizzard asking to revert their choice, go ahead, I just don't think they'll care. Even then what do we get back? One pose of someone looking over their shoulder. I think it's ridiculous that so much shit is being kicked up over one fucking pose.[/QUOTE] how many replies do you need to get explaining that people don't care about this one pose, but rather about the crappy reasoning for removing it and that it's tied in with all the fake social justice advocacy bullshit that's been so cancerous lately. If someone managed to get blizzard to reverse the decision, we'd get assurance that the devs wouldn't neuter their original designs just to please a couple of hypersensitive wo/manchildren. Surely that is worth something to somebody.
All this nonsense has done is reminding me how much I like the butts in this game.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50024250]I mean if anyone wants to make a petition to blizzard asking to revert their choice, go ahead, I just don't think they'll care. Even then what do we get back? One pose of someone looking over their shoulder. I think it's ridiculous that so much shit is being kicked up over one fucking pose.[/QUOTE] The real problem here is that blizzard listened to ONE poster who was complaining over nothing, while ignoring hundreds if not thousands of fans who think the choice to remove that is dumb.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;50024150]Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it a SINGLE person bitching about the pose? They'd have less of a shitstorm on their hands if they simply said "sorry you feel this way, why not use another pose/animation instead of the one that bothers you." Plus, priorities? She kills people for a living and you're upset because of an optional pose of her's?[/QUOTE] A few people in the thread were backing her up but it's pretty clear the vast majority of players either don't give a shit or out right disagree with the decision. For the people saying this doesn't constitute a slippery slope I have to ask, have you paid attention at all? Has caving into social justice regressives ever worked? Do you not think this person and people like them aren't just going to find the next thing that makes them feel uncomfortable? If you get these people an inch they take a mile as evidenced by historic fact. Personally I don't give a shit either way about the pose but watching a developer who will doggedly defend unpopular game design choices in Diablo or WoW cave immediately like this is disturbing.
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeqzNT1WEAE46H7.jpg:large[/img] Good post
[QUOTE=the tee;50024522] Good post[/QUOTE] Textbook case of internalized misogyny, poor woman.
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