[QUOTE=MercZ;30202549]A lot of the original support for Quebec Independence was derived from French-Canadians feeling that they were second-class citizens in Canada. This was particularly true in much of the 1800s where French culture was more or less discouraged and a policy of forced assimilation took place. One such example was the colonial government forbidding construction permits to French-Canadians- or at least making it ridiculously hard to get them- while streamlining those for English settlers.
Into the 1900s the discrimination began to subside a bit but it was still present in some ways and French-Canadians found it hard to get their demands expressed in political life. With economic conditions the way they were, many French areas were underdeveloped compared to English-speaking areas- so there was impetus for independence because it was felt to be the only way where they could have a chance at getting what they 'rightfully' deserved.
With changes over the past few decades regarding the use of French language and more even economic development, lot of the original support for Quebec independence I think is not there any more, or at least as strong. I wouldn't support Quebec independence at this juncture (though I would have in say the 1800s), but I think some form of autonomy might be a good compromise.[/QUOTE]
Atucally the independence thing started with the slow revolution in the 70's but now it's pretty much dead, I mean most of the independentists are baby-boomers, and they are getting older...
I didn't even know Quebec was so big. I thought it was like one city, like Andorra :v:
Why not use passive assimilation and make the conditions for the French-Canadians good? The want for independence will quickly die down if things go good for them, and to stop more problems in the future they slowly see themselves as Canadians more and more until assimilation is complete and they have as good lives and equality as everybody else.
[QUOTE=Joker169;30202866]Atucally the independence thing started with the slow revolution in the 70's but now it's pretty much dead, I mean most of the independentists are baby-boomers, and they are getting older...[/QUOTE]
Independence drives began in the 1800s. Look up the "Lower Canada Revolt" and you'll see it's been there for a long time. The 1970s drive was an extension of the earlier moves in preceding decades and encouraged by similar movements in Basque Country, Palestine, Ireland, Kurdistan, Corsica, and Native American movements that were around at the time.
It's not so much a phenomenon limited to "baby boomers", though the development of the FLQ's ideology was from the demands of the populace at the time.
Oh god, not thhhiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssss again
I doubt it that they are gonna be their own thing
I can imagine it now.
There's a Quebec youth rebel standing at the corner of an alleyway, he has a bandana with a separatist flag on his face. He climbs over a dumpster onto the grimy street close by. He can smell the dissipated smoke from a previously lit Molotov cocktail. He rolls as riot police try to hit him with a water hose. As he gets closer to his target of the police chief he levels his maple syrup, and fires.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30202982]Why not use passive assimilation and make the conditions for the French-Canadians good? The want for independence will quickly die down if things go good for them, and to stop more problems in the future they slowly see themselves as Canadians more and more until assimilation is complete and they have as good lives and equality as everybody else.[/QUOTE]
Uh, if the government were to introduce an assimilation policy then the French Canadians would most likely be even more pissed and would try even harder to get independence. Why not let both cultures co-exist instead of imposing monocultural and xenophobic policies.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30204331]Uh, if the government were to introduce an assimilation policy then the French Canadians would most likely be even more pissed and would try even harder to get independence. Why not let both cultures co-exist instead of imposing monocultural and xenophobic policies.[/QUOTE]
Because there is no reason we should have to learn French they should have to learn English. Because we did beat the French off there land in the 1700's so they should have assimilated a long time ago.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30210962]Because there is no reason we should have to learn French they should have to learn English. Because we did beat the French off there land in the 1700's so they should have assimilated a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck is learning languages a submission to the language's culture?
I learned German, does that mean I surrendered to Nazis?
[QUOTE=yaik9a;30210962]Because there is no reason we should have to learn French they should have to learn English. Because we did beat the French off there land in the 1700's so they should have assimilated a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
No, forcing people to assimilate to other cultures is not only wrong, it's against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Just because you won in a war does not justify degrading them into second class citizens.
No provinces ideals align completely with the rest of Canada.
If the Quebec secede then I'll miss them, even though I can't speak french very well I always considered them bros :saddowns:
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30204331]Uh, if the government were to introduce an assimilation policy then the French Canadians would most likely be even more pissed and would try even harder to get independence. Why not let both cultures co-exist instead of imposing monocultural and xenophobic policies.[/QUOTE]
Because it reduces national efficiency, unless the French Canadians work more efficiently.(In which case the rest of the country should be assimilated under them)
I support policies for efficiency, not ones that are xenophobic or tolerant.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30475306]Because it reduces national efficiency, unless the French Canadians work more efficiently.(In which case the rest of the country should be assimilated under them)[/QUOTE]
Assimilation doesn't work, we've attempted it on the First Nations and the French. Neither groups were assimilated.
haha
Doesn't really matter, the majority of Quebec's population likes being apart of Canada just fine.
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