Tropes vs Women in Video Games - Damsel in Distress - General

I don't understand, what does she want? That women are portrayed in a different manner in games? What? Is that really a big problem for women these days? I am sorry if I come across as a twat for saying this but I really don't understand what her arguments are.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39850165]The only thing I really agree with this guy on is that disabling ratings and comments on her videos is a huge mistake. Sure most of them would be terrible, but so what? There would still be intelligent people making intelligent arguments in there, somewhere.[/QUOTE] no, it's really not, you shouldn't have to choose between being called shitty things on your youtube channel and being called shitty things because you disabled comments it's really unfair

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850212]no, it's really not, you shouldn't have to choose between being called shitty things on your youtube channel and being called shitty things because you disabled comments it's really unfair[/QUOTE] Well, welcome to the internet.

[QUOTE=Black;39850209]I don't understand, what does she want? That women are portrayed in a different manner in games? What? Is that really a big problem for women these days? I am sorry if I come across as a twat for saying this but I really don't understand what her arguments are.[/QUOTE] it's a problem.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850034] the amazing atheist did a vid on it yesterday[/QUOTE] And produce prices shoot through the roof

[QUOTE=Eric95;39850225]Well, welcome to the internet.[/QUOTE] And this is a problem, we shouldn't have to expect and put up with shitty people. We need to shame and shut down shitty people spewing bullshit and hate. Yeah, she's on the internet and she took a preemptive strike and simply disabled comments so that she didn't have to read through it. Personally, I think that if she had left them on it would have only made her points stronger, but guess what????? it's her choice

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850034]the amazing atheist did a vid on it yesterday, not sure if it's been posted, addresses her need for censoring everything like she needs protection from nasty words. it's utter bullshit and shows she can't act on the internet like any normal adult.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Devodiere;39850034]the amazing atheist... shows she can't act on the internet like any normal adult.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Devodiere;39850034][h2]the amazing atheist... act on the internet like any normal adult.[/h2][/QUOTE] [img]http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/427/127/d64.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39850165]The only thing I really agree with this guy on is that disabling ratings and comments on her videos is a huge mistake. Sure most of them would be terrible, but so what? There would still be intelligent people making intelligent arguments in there, somewhere. Then he just ruined by trying to somehow undermine her stance by reading what some of her crazy fans post and dismissing all the misogynistic backslash she got as "trolling for shock value", the only thing he really proved there is that there's nutjobs on both sides of the spectrum, which is hardly a discovery.[/QUOTE] you really think "tits or gtfo" and "only place for women is in chains in my kitchen... sluts" are actually misogynist rather than just saying shit for shock value? it's hardly nice but do you think everyone who calls americans fat and dumb or or jews money-grubbing thieves legitimately hates them or is just trying to be insulting? [QUOTE=Shadaez;39850204]yes tell me how not to ad hominem while calling me names... I don't think that an MRA has anything constructive to say in an argument about sexism honestly I don't get how a feminist can use the amazing athiest, someone hugely into the worst kind of MRA, as a talking point you should calm down tho[/QUOTE] im cool as a cucumber broski. srsly though, that's what an ad hominem is, not just throwing around insults. i dont care if he's a Mauritius Revenue Authority and if you can't see how the two aren't diametrically opposed, you're pretty narrow-minded. [QUOTE=Shadaez;39850256]And this is a problem, we shouldn't have to expect and put up with shitty people. We need to shame and shut down shitty people spewing bullshit and hate. Yeah, she's on the internet and she took a preemptive strike and simply disabled comments so that she didn't have to read through it. Personally, I think that if she had left them on it would have only made her points stronger, but guess what????? it's her choice[/QUOTE] you aren't going to change shit and complaining about it is like crying about getting wet while standing in the rain. it's not just her, anyone and everyone gets abused for no reason other than they can be, that's what happens in the real world. if you're an adult you can work through it and ignore all the bullshit, like every single celebrity worth their salt, but silencing everyone and acting like their nasty comments actually do anything is stupid.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850256]And this is a problem, we shouldn't have to expect and put up with shitty people. We need to shame and shut down shitty people spewing bullshit and hate. Yeah, she's on the internet and she took a preemptive strike and simply disabled comments so that she didn't have to read through it. Personally, I think that if she had left them on it would have only made her points stronger, but guess what????? it's her choice[/QUOTE] theres a few billion people that use the internet, if you didn't know already. there's always going to be a few shitty apples in the bunch, and it won't ever change, and people need to figure out that not everyone will ever agree with you about everything.

yeah, let's NOT try to be better people. everything is fine as it is and will never change

[QUOTE=Last or First;39850277][img]http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/427/127/d64.png[/img][/QUOTE] jesus fucking christ, are you people retarded? YOU DO NOT DISREGARD SOMEONE'S ARGUMENTS BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS AN AD HOMINEM, NOT PETTY NAME-CALLING. i couldn't give two fucks if he was a nazi, if he makes a valid argument then you consider it rather than throwing it out and attacking the person. how is this a hard concept to grasp? why the hell do i have to explain what an ad hominem is? why is it so hard to ignore one mention of someone when copy-pasting their exact argument would have done the same thing? i know this thread's a circus and i'm being inflammatory as fuck, but really now.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850278]im cool as a cucumber broski. srsly though, that's what an ad hominem is, not just throwing around insults. i dont care if he's a Mauritius Revenue Authority and if you can't see how the two aren't diametrically opposed, you're pretty narrow-minded.[/QUOTE] I said the worst kind of MRA, aka /r/MensRights pretty sure he is or was a moderator there. They aren't mutually exclusive but feminism includes mens and womens rights. [editline]8th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;39850309]jesus fucking christ, are you people retarded? YOU DO NOT DISREGARD SOMEONE'S ARGUMENTS BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS AN AD HOMINEM, NOT PETTY NAME-CALLING. i couldn't give two fucks if he was a nazi, if he makes a valid argument then you consider it rather than throwing it out and attacking the person. how is this a hard concept to grasp? why the hell do i have to explain what an ad hominem is? why is it so hard to ignore one mention of someone when copy-pasting their exact argument would have done the same thing? i know this thread's a circus and i'm being inflammatory as fuck, but really now.[/QUOTE] hi I watched the video, his opinion is still shitty and he's still a shitty person, is that better?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850212]no, it's really not, you shouldn't have to choose between being called shitty things on your youtube channel and being called shitty things because you disabled comments it's really unfair[/QUOTE] yeah, I know it's her choice and whatnot but the way I see it it's much worse to have your detractors use that choice as ammunition against you than having a bunch of retards angrily pounding on their keyboards in the comments section it's unfair and all but that's just how it is

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850319]I said the worst kind of MRA, aka /r/MensRights pretty sure he is or was a moderator there. They aren't mutually exclusive but feminism includes mens and womens rights.[/QUOTE] i figured what you meant by it, that's why i used the wrong one. but here's a little idea for you that may not have occurred; feminism, like most ideologies, isn't completely united in opinions. crazy, right? most definitions do not consider mens rights the same as under feminism, it's a different issue. and just like women's rights can exist alongside men's rights, someone being in with MRA crap doesn't automatically make them a misogynist or an idiot. come the fuck on, this is not a war between two opposing sides, it is over definitions and course of action, stop acting like he's scum. [quote]hi I watched the video, his opinion is still shitty and he's still a shitty person, is that better?[/QUOTE] well done, you have proved nothing and ignored everything. you must be so proud.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850381]most definitions do not consider mens rights the same as under feminism, it's a different issue. and just like women's rights can exist alongside men's rights, someone being in with MRA crap doesn't automatically make them a misogynist or an idiot. come the fuck on, this is not a war between two opposing sides, it is over definitions and course of action, stop acting like he's scum. [/QUOTE] ok he is scum, not because he's an MRA but that's a part of why i dont get what you're trying to say

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850381]i figured what you meant by it, that's why i used the wrong one. but here's a little idea for you that may not have occurred; feminism, like most ideologies, isn't completely united in opinions. crazy, right? most definitions do not consider mens rights the same as under feminism, it's a different issue. and just like women's rights can exist alongside men's rights, someone being in with MRA crap doesn't automatically make them a misogynist or an idiot. come the fuck on, this is not a war between two opposing sides, it is over definitions and course of action, stop acting like he's scum. well done, you have proved nothing and ignored everything. you must be so proud.[/QUOTE] Well, of course. Just because he's an MRA doesn't automatically mean that he's misogynist scum. However, given how he said that he was glad that someone was raped, yeah, I'm pretty sure he [I]is[/I] misogynist scum. Which is why I wouldn't even touch his shit with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole. By watching his videos, I would be giving him a tiny percentage of a cent. I could never forgive myself for giving him that much.

so someone came into an IRC channel I frequent and posted this [img]http://puu.sh/2etLx[/img] cmon guys who was it

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39848203]i mentioned the bechdel test before but really, it isn't an absolute test for sexism and not really that good of test at all. just like i wouldn't expect them to shoehorn a few male characters into a chick flick just cos, it's hardly sexist to not include more women in an action film. i said before the idea that it "perpetuates sexism" is a rubbish excuse because it doesn't change anyone and things that don't change the issue aren't relevant, focus on bad portrayals which actually do give a bad image of women. skillee touches on the real issue here, most people (anita included) have trouble figuring out what a good representation of women is. if you've ever been to tvtropes you'll see there's a trope for everything and no character has just one trope to them, yet anita's series is about blocking these characters into tropes, cutting everything else off and wondering why they're so bad after she's done butchering them. she doesn't really analyse the characters, she just categorises them, it's flawed at its core. gettin into some real patriarchy bullshit here. the things that influence society, the fashions and common views, sure as fuck ain't created by the few and powerful and claiming that kind of shit completely ignores any root causes for why this shit occurs. when you can't even analyse why shit occurs and rely on assumptions that there is some influential force behind it all (illuminati), you're not in any state to argue it.[/QUOTE] If you really do not believe that we live in a patriarchal society, and that society in general does not have a definite structure that is influenced by the very few (and I am not trying to say they do it on purpose, or all in one group, so the Illuminati comparison falls flat), then you should take some classes in basic economics, sociology, and political science, and learn something. If the classes can succeed where I failed, the world will have one less guy getting mad every time someone tries to point out a way in which society is not equal.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850433]ok he is scum, not because he's an MRA but that's a part of why i dont get what you're trying to say[/QUOTE] well we're halfway there. go back to what i said on ad hominems, it is when you disregard and argument because of the person, don't do that. he may be an idiot, but you can understand his argument. censoring everyone and acting like harassment on videos is anything but noise that you can easily ignore is a valid criticism. i know you've said that she shouldn't have to deal with it, but this is not a viable option because it builds more harassment. along with her showing it off like a badge of courage, it gives the impression she only likes bootlickers and anyone in opposition is a troll persecuting her. this is not a good image to project and one that highly damages her public image. see where i'm going with this? [QUOTE=Last or First;39850441]Well, of course. Just because he's an MRA doesn't automatically mean that he's misogynist scum. However, given how he said that he was glad that someone was raped, yeah, I'm pretty sure he [I]is[/I] misogynist scum. Which is why I wouldn't even touch his shit with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole. By watching his videos, I would be giving him a tiny percentage of a cent. I could never forgive myself for giving him that much.[/QUOTE] i know, i felt really guilty watching anita's video and would rather have waited for a re-up, but we all have to make concessions for the sake of a good discussion.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850478]. i know you've said that she shouldn't have to deal with it, but this is not a viable option because it builds more harassment. along with her showing it off like a badge of courage, it gives the impression she only likes bootlickers and anyone in opposition is a troll persecuting her. this is not a good image to project and one that highly damages her public image. see where i'm going with this?[/QUOTE] sorry she doesn't owe the people who watch her videos anything and can do whatever she wants and what I did wasn't even an ad hominem fyi, I was just deciding not to watch a video based on previous poop he said, not hearing his argument and then refuting it by attacking him personally.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850256]And this is a problem, we shouldn't have to expect and put up with shitty people. We need to shame and shut down shitty people spewing bullshit and hate. Yeah, she's on the internet and she took a preemptive strike and simply disabled comments so that she didn't have to read through it. Personally, I think that if she had left them on it would have only made her points stronger, but guess what????? it's her choice[/QUOTE] This is the internet, no matter where you are from, or who you are, or whatever you post, someones always gonna be shitty. Disabling comments is fine, but disabling ratings is fucking laughable and pathetic.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39850534]This is the internet, no matter where you are from, or who you are, or whatever you post, someones always gonna be shitty. Disabling comments is fine, but disabling ratings is fucking laughable and pathetic.[/QUOTE] pathetic in what regard? who cares? the only people that would ever get mad about disabled ratings are people that want to give it poor ratings, no?

[QUOTE=person11;39850477]If you really do not believe that we live in a patriarchal society, and that society in general does not have a definite structure that is influenced by the very few (and I am not trying to say they do it on purpose, or all in one group, so the Illuminati comparison falls flat), then you should take some classes in basic economics, sociology, and political science, and learn something. If the classes can succeed where I failed, the world will have one less guy getting mad every time someone tries to point out a way in which society is not equal.[/QUOTE] this is good timing, i was away for a few hours and was afraid we'd lost that track. such a shame you're self-righteous prick who believes everyone not agreeing you is blind and needs to get learned, but whatever, this is for my benefit more than your stubborn ass. yep, i don't believe that white men shape everything according to their views, because why should they care? even if you wrongly assume that the gatekeepers and investors of most industries from entertainment to technology were white men, would their number one priority be enforcing their moral code or making cash? why should they put all their money into forcing women to be slutty when they could just make cash? it seems the only real time they might appeal to this is when white males are their target audience, like in video games. the influence they exert is not designed to enforce their views and often achieves the exact opposite as these are white old men, the kind that like fox news, but they don't care. no-one really cares about changing it except social activists, artists and that kind, which are certainly more diverse than our oligarchs. if you look at most artistic work, there's a small amount of unintentional misogyny in big investments where most everything else loves harping on about social justice, because it sells. those in power don't care about this crap and they certainly aren't trying to make you like them.

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850551]pathetic in what regard? who cares? the only people that would ever get mad about disabled ratings are people that want to give it poor ratings, no?[/QUOTE] Pathetic she needs to hide something like that because she knows it would look bad if she kept it on.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39850516]sorry she doesn't owe the people who watch her videos anything and can do whatever she wants and what I did wasn't even an ad hominem fyi, I was just deciding not to watch a video based on previous poop he said, not hearing his argument and then refuting it by attacking him personally.[/QUOTE] i guess it comes right back to if you want to make a different to the public zeitgeist, or if you want to cater to those already in your pocket who might be nice to you. i'm more for influencing people who might not consider themselves feminists, but anita is free to fuck around and do her own pointless thing all she wants. and given i pretty much repeated what he said, you can just take that into account and give up on him. just like with anita, i needed to spoonfeed it to you, but i'm an adult so i tolerate it.

This is going to happen every time a new video comes out isn't it?

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39850534]This is the internet, no matter where you are from, or who you are, or whatever you post, someones always gonna be shitty. Disabling comments is fine, but disabling ratings is fucking laughable and pathetic.[/QUOTE] if it was me, i would disable ratings to prevent dislike bombing, allow comments but require approval before posting them. of course i would be more than happy to have legitimate, dissenting views and just block random shitposting, i don't think anita would.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39850571]Pathetic she needs to hide something like that because she knows it would look bad if she kept it on.[/QUOTE] so what? [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] I wouldn't call that pathetic by any means, but even if you see it that way, what does it matter

[QUOTE=Blu_ninja;39850611]This is going to happen every time a new video comes out isn't it?[/QUOTE] There'll probably be the inevitable thread, but I don't think there'll be this much discussion or argument. The whole buzz has been dying down.

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850615]so what? [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] I wouldn't call that pathetic by any means, but even if you see it that way, what does it matter[/QUOTE] It doesnt really matter at all, its just pathetic and ive said why.