Tropes vs Women in Video Games - Damsel in Distress - General

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39850764]Has nothing to do with the analysis, this conversation is going fucking no where. Its this simple, disabling comments on any youtube video is a pathetic thing to do because you are so scared over a little bar that you have to disable it from public view, its pathetic.[/QUOTE] if it has nothing to do with the content then why does it even matter to you?

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850832]you're not even saying anything lol you are literally just repeating yourself verbatim. you're the one that keeps bringing the ratings thing up anyway. thanks for reminding us what you think, we get it. [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] and again, not talking about the video but what the person in the video has done outside of the video which has no connection to the content[/QUOTE] Dude what the fuck is your deal, people asked me multiple times about it so I fucking gave them answers. Like what the fuck, its answering a fucking question about the same topic, of course its gonna be the same fucking thing each time.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39850772]I think it turned out the person he was "talking" to was a man lol Even TheAmazingAtheist is a male-rape-trivializing feminazi misandrist![/QUOTE] You don't believe rape only happens to women? You disgusting misogynist they should feed you to the bitches, not the dogs!

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850805]no, but disregarding him because of shit like this is. his point wasn't even about sexism, it was about managing your public image and making things worse because you're scared of a few assholes.[/QUOTE] Do you not see a concern in going to someone who insults a rape victim, who he decides is female when they actually aren't, so vitriolically for advice on gender matters

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39850813]it's not good analysis? fine. maybe i agree, maybe i don't. if you gave a bit of detail about how her analysis is flawed then we can have a legit conversation about it. that isn't happening in the youtube comments, though.[/QUOTE] we've had pages of discussion like that so let's not digress here. obviously you won't be able to have a long discussion such as this, that's why there are other sources for it, but you need to have some way for people to give an opinion and vent shit like that. if it doesn't hurt the discussion elsewhere and takes some of the heat off the image of censorship, there's no reason not to. it's a small point, but it would've been a better move. [QUOTE=thisispain;39850829]thats cool i mean usually people talk to each other to communicate things; but i guess you can also just post to self-aggrandize dont be insulted when people say no thanks[/QUOTE] maybe, but more often than not people cannot handle someone being wrong on the internet, so it works fine. im a fukn trainwreck of crazy and you're welcome to over-analyse it, but at least i get my kicks.

[QUOTE=Falubii;39850768]Yes, but not necessarily as well as men.[/QUOTE] Yes, because properly following statistics about small differences on average for lifting and running is very important for games where you're a genetically enhanced space marine shooting aliens, a demon slayer who can jump over 10 feet, a group of knights and wizards of different fantasy races killing dragons, or anime bishies who have less muscle mass than even [I]I[/I] do (and I only weight about 120 pounds) yet can lift tanks and shit, etc., is VERY important. I mean, there's value in keeping a semblance of realism, but using studies of "oh well [I]on average[/I] women are weaker than men" as an excuse for improperly representing half of humanity is kind of blatantly stupid.

[QUOTE=Viper202;39850851]You don't believe rape only happens to women? You disgusting misogynist they should feed you to the bitches, not the dogs![/QUOTE] Well because of prisons it's entirely possible that men and women are raped at almost the same rate in the United States vast majority of rapists are still men though ;)

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850860]we've had pages of discussion like that so let's not digress here. obviously you won't be able to have a long discussion such as this, that's why there are other sources for it, but you need to have some way for people to give an opinion and vent shit like that. if it doesn't hurt the discussion elsewhere and takes some of the heat off the image of censorship, there's no reason not to. it's a small point, but it would've been a better move..[/QUOTE] i haven't seen anything really great about how her shit is wrong. i'v seen a few on topic posts with most people simply attacking anita for irrelevant things, people defending her, and then people saying "well i don't play a game and feel sexist obviously there is no issue".

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850762]well you're critiquing it right now lol. Just because it's badly received doesn't mean it's actually poor content. She shouldn't have to dig through hundreds of god awful comments to find one good one for YOUR sake, etc.[/QUOTE] Isn't that what comes with expressing your opinion in a public place? If I walk out onto the street, and tell some one about an opinion of mine, should they have no right to speak against me? If I already know that the people I talk to will respond negatively, should I have the right to silence their negative response? Is youtube a public place? Sure comments can be seen as harassment, and silencing that is understandable, but I don't think down rating a video is harassment.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850860] maybe, but more often than not people cannot handle someone being wrong on the internet, so it works fine. im a fukn trainwreck of crazy and you're welcome to over-analyse it, but at least i get my kicks.[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39850843]Dude what the fuck is your deal, people asked me multiple times about it so I fucking gave them answers. Like what the fuck, its answering a fucking question about the same topic, of course its gonna be the same fucking thing each time.[/QUOTE] lol no one asked YOU about it once, you responded to shad responding to someone else

[QUOTE=Last or First;39850868]Yes, because properly following statistics about small differences on average for lifting and running is very important for games where you're a genetically enhanced space marine shooting aliens, a demon slayer who can jump over 10 feet, a group of knights and wizards of different fantasy races killing dragons, or anime bishies who have less muscle mass than even [I]I[/I] do (and I only weight about 120 pounds) yet can lift tanks and shit, etc., is VERY important.[/QUOTE] i'm glad you understand women would never be able to do those things [editline]8th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;39850787]he internet and i am an asshole, this is my natural habitat. i also post like this because i enjoy heated debates where i am the antagonist and it's the easiest way to draw attention. #donthate[/QUOTE] ily and theres nothing you can do about it <3333333333333333

[QUOTE=mooman1080;39850877]Isn't that what comes with expressing your opinion in a public place? If I walk out onto the street, and tell some one about an opinion of mine, should they have no right to speak against me? If I already know that the people I talk to will respond negatively, should I have the right to silence their negative response? Is youtube a public place? Sure comments can be seen as harassment, and silencing that is understandable, but I don't think down rating a video is harassment.[/QUOTE] youtube is not a public place. in fact, she could make her videos private if she wants, or unlisted. it's not harassment, but it is her video.

[QUOTE=Viper202;39850851]You don't believe rape only happens to women? You disgusting misogynist they should feed you to the bitches, not the dogs![/QUOTE] what are you doing I am legitimately confused as to what you're trying to do here the only people who would legitimately think like that are oh wait sorry it's [I]no one[/I] unless if you count strawman representations of feminists from MRAs

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850880]lol no one asked YOU about it once, you responded to shad responding to someone else[/QUOTE] And then I was asked about why I thought it was pathetic. Did you even fucking read dude, like god damn.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39850858]Do you not see a concern in going to someone who insults a rape victim, who he decides is female when they actually aren't, so vitriolically for advice on gender matters[/QUOTE] but it's not advice on gender matters, it's advice on PR. as someone who draws a lot of criticism and still manages to make a living off it, he might know a bit about that. and the point still remains, he may not have much credability, but good arguments can come from anywhere. this is a pointless argument over him though so we're not really going to get anywhere productive. [QUOTE=yawmwen;39850872]i haven't seen anything really great about how her shit is wrong. i'v seen a few on topic posts with most people simply attacking anita for irrelevant things, people defending her, and then people saying "well i don't play a game and feel sexist obviously there is no issue".[/QUOTE] yeah. it's mostly noise with a few criticisms thrown in every now and then. i'm hardly helping but i need to head off soon so not much point getting into it now. if you're that interested, read through the thread, particularly posts that didn't get much attention. otherwise, wait for people to distil criticism down to something succinct. [QUOTE=thisispain;39850878]what[/QUOTE] yep. it's about 30°C in my room so im ranting a bit.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850923]and the point still remains, he may not have much credability, but good arguments can come from anywhere. this is a pointless argument over him though so we're not really going to get anywhere productive.[/QUOTE] His "credability" has nothing to do with it. His 'arguments' are shit on their own, regardless of whether he manages his PR good or not.

I don't see what the problem is with this video but I do have to say that if a random person were to judge FP based on the first page of this thread, they would leave in disgust, my god

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39850910]And then I was asked about why I thought it was pathetic. Did you even fucking read dude, like god damn.[/QUOTE] no i dont read i use text to speech

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850892]youtube is not a public place. in fact, she could make her videos private if she wants, or unlisted. it's not harassment, but it is her video.[/QUOTE] Yes, but she didn't unlist it or make it private, it's a public video. Anyone can access it and the site it's upon, I would consider that a public place, and regardless if it's her video or not it should be open to negativity like other videos.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39850872]i haven't seen anything really great about how her shit is wrong. i'v seen a few on topic posts with most people simply attacking anita for irrelevant things, people defending her, and then people saying "well i don't play a game and feel sexist obviously there is no issue".[/QUOTE] i asked that guy 2 simple questions; he failed to respond to either of them he said that the trope discussion was ineffective because she put things into too narrowly defined tropes. when i pointed out that she also mentioned how she explored variations and subversion of the tropes he said that she's "not keeping to the spirit of the trope". when i pointed out that in her view the trope was still being followed because zelda's character arc was still akin to a damsel in distress, he switched to just saying that focusing on the trope itself was bad... the second question i asked was in response to him saying she should have discussed more. i asked for clarification 3 TIMES and it was always the same "she just should discuss things more" with some condescending remarks inserted along. [quote] were not going in circles, you just havent answered my question. what should she discuss that she hasnt already discussed[/quote] [quote]What? I've said over and over, she hardly touched on any of the topics and didn't go into any depth on them. When other people can make 5 minute long videos [/quote] see he just repeats himself and mentions these mysterious "5 minute long videos".

[QUOTE=Starpluck;39850934]His "credability" has nothing to do with it. His 'arguments' are shit on their own, regardless of whether he manages his PR good or not.[/QUOTE] i dunno man, i've been trying to explain it here and it sure doesn't seem shit. she probably should've allowed moderated comments rather than just trying to silence everything and playing the insulting noise of the internet off as persecution. you got anything to say in opposition other than "it's shit"?

[QUOTE=mooman1080;39850952]Yes, but she didn't unlist it or make it private, it's a public video. Anyone can access it and the site it's upon, I would consider that a public place, and regardless if it's her video or not it should be open to negativity like other videos.[/QUOTE] you don't get to decide if it "should or should not" be anything. it's not your video

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850923] yep. it's about 30°C in my room so im ranting a bit.[/QUOTE] ok?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850968]i dunno man, i've been trying to explain it here and it sure doesn't seem shit. she probably should've allowed moderated comments rather than just trying to silence everything and playing the insulting noise of the internet off as persecution. you got anything to say in opposition other than "it's shit"?[/QUOTE] like I said earlier there is no reason for her moderate comments with the amount of shit she'd have to wade through for the sake of what? even if she did I guarantee she'd be accused of "only publishing positive comments" and shit like that lol

[QUOTE=Devodiere;39850968]i dunno man, i've been trying to explain it here and it sure doesn't seem shit. she probably should've allowed moderated comments rather than just trying to silence everything and playing the insulting noise of the internet off as persecution. you got anything to say in opposition other than "it's shit"?[/QUOTE] you havent explained shit i still dont understand yr basic criticism ive read some other posts who with a perfectly good attitude explained very sharply what their criticism was and i was like "cool" and i agreed with most of them youve spent like pages writing some weird shit and saying how fucking badass you were; but i still dont understand any of your reasoning and you are just repeating yourself and typing white noise like hoodedsniper or whatever

[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/1362801069069.png[/img] I found this and found it a interesting read as a rebuttal.

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39850971]you don't get to decide if it "should or should not" be anything. it's not your video[/QUOTE] I'm not allowed to comment on videos that I didn't create then? Why?

[QUOTE=mooman1080;39851012]I'm not allowed to comment on videos that I didn't create then? Why?[/QUOTE] no, I'm saying you don't get to decide if they have a comment section or not

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39851050]no, I'm saying you don't get to decide if they have a comment section or not[/QUOTE] I would attribute those very closely, it's trying to prevent comments is it not? Or shuffle them away some where out of view?