Tropes vs Women in Video Games - Damsel in Distress - General

Fucking hilarious. 10/10 thanks man I needed that lift today.

[QUOTE=entertainer89;39835868]If common sense is a lesson then it is one we must all learn. Put your hand on a stove and you can expect a very burnt, crispy hand.[/QUOTE] you literally make no sense and no *one* is going to address you seriously because you're just being incredibly, and i'll say it again, disrespectful and unsavory

[QUOTE=D:\;39835782]For many video games, the main target audience is men, so the player is male trying to save a female. Some video games however are tailored to women, such as Cooking Mama, but us men do not complain that that the game is sexist in that men can cook too, because they know the game is not tailored to them. What this lady is doing is flying to a foreign country and saying all of their cultural traditions are wrong and terrible, and ladies and gentleman, is why this lady is an idiot. If you're going to rate me dumb, be my guest to tell me why I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] You're basically saying that she isn't allowed to criticize sexism in video games because gaming is a male dominated hobby. That's why you're wrong. It's like saying ethnic minorities in a country can't criticize the way they're treated because the country is dominated by another group.

I don't like Anita very much but this thread has been a powder keg for stupidity and sexism from the start.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39835861]is 'tumblr feminist' a stupid buzzword to describe something that is progressive or something, fill me in[/QUOTE] privileged white women who live in their classy up-town apartments and sit at their macbooks using the analyzation skills they learned from english 101 to theorize that an old 80's game about a plumber was really a ploy by evil shigeru miyamoto to put down women instead of being just a simple dumb "rescue the princess" plot element that exists to move the game forward because cartridges didn't have the space to tell indepth stories. nah, i'm just some fat nerd who's dumb

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39835861]is 'tumblr feminist' a stupid buzzword to describe something that is progressive or something, fill me in[/QUOTE] It's used to describe some Tumblr user's very couch activist approach to feminism, i.e. petitions and rants.

[QUOTE=entertainer89;39835868]If common sense is a lesson then it is one we must all learn. Put your hand on a stove and you can expect a very burnt, crispy hand.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can compare mugging/rape and thermodynamics

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39835861]is 'tumblr feminist' a stupid buzzword to describe something that is progressive or something, fill me in[/QUOTE] There's nothing really progrssive about what Anita is doing. She doesn't really point out anything we don't already know, or tell us how we might improve things.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39835861]is 'tumblr feminist' a stupid buzzword to describe something that is progressive or something, fill me in[/QUOTE] It's what angry little boys on the internet say when something disagrees with their worldview

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39835889]you literally make no sense and no *one* is going to address you seriously because you're just being incredibly, and i'll say it again, disrespectful and unsavory[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, were you just being serious just now? It's just that nobody ever addresses me seriously for some reason. Don't ask me why, apparently I make no sense and am unsavoury... A bit like a gone off pack of biscuits ;)

[QUOTE=JesterUK;39835939]There's nothing really progrssive about what Anita is doing. She doesn't really point out anything we don't already know, or tell us how we might improve things.[/QUOTE] Just because you don't want to talk about it doesn't mean other people don't

[QUOTE=SatansSin;39835635]just look at her, she really looks like a crusty bitch. Defending her on forums isn't going to get you into that crustacean whale aroma'd vagina. 100k$ from fans who want feel like they did something to stop men being pigs and liking to see girls in distress I play games to get away from reality, saving a busty, barely dressed, or torn clothing girl, carrying her over my shoulder is why I play games. That would most likely never happen to me, so I play games to switch realities, and have fun. This bitch is trying to ruin my fun. Plus, she got paid triple what I make in a year, in one month and barely did anything to show ANY effort for it.[/QUOTE] It's like you came into this topic in attempt to prove her right in every way you possibly can. Anyways, the fact that she has removed the like/dislike bar makes sense but she's also disabled comments. She clearly wants to stop anyone from pointing out the wealth of things she inevitably got wrong. She's just going to be another internet person that has nothing good to contribute and is only famous because everyone fucking hates her for being an egotistical thieving douche. If she hadn't gotten so much attention from making kickstarter look like a complete fucking joke no one would care about her videos.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39835921]You're basically saying that she isn't allowed to criticize sexism in video games because gaming is a male dominated hobby. That's why you're wrong. It's like saying ethnic minorities in a country can't criticize the way they're treated because the country is dominated by another group.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that, it's agreeable that gaming [I]started[/I] as a male dominated hobby, more males played, and still do play more games than women. We can both agree on that, right? But what I am saying that she is criticizing games which are obviously not tailored for women. Action games are generally tailored to men.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39835941]It's what angry little boys on the internet say when something disagrees with their worldview[/QUOTE] You mean like people that use the term white male privilege?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39835946]Just because you don't want to talk about it doesn't mean other people don't[/QUOTE] I didn't say I had a problem with what she's doing. I just don't think it helps much.

[QUOTE=D:\;39835846]Please tell me why I'm wrong, I'm eager to know.[/QUOTE] where to start... the metaphor about her flying to a foreign country? just because something isn't designed for a particular target audience- that doesn't give a green light to completely shit on or depict those who are less likely to play it in a poor light. For example, just because people in 3rd world African countries are probably not going to play your videogame, that doesn't mean you can depict them all as idiots because "it's not for them"

I'll get back to watching the video in a second, but I just had to do this. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zuaeAK8.png[/IMG]

-snip because I forgot how to read-

[QUOTE=D:\;39835961]I didn't say that, it's agreeable that gaming [I]started[/I] as a male dominated hobby, more males played, and still do play more games than women. We can both agree on that, right? But what I am saying that she is criticizing games which are obviously not tailored for women. Action games are generally tailored to men.[/QUOTE] doesn't make it okay for those games to perpetuate sexist stereotypes with a straight face

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39835927]privileged white women who live in their classy up-town apartments and sit at their macbooks using the analyzation skills they learned from english 101 to theorize that an old 80's game about a plumber was really a ploy by evil shigeru miyamoto to put down women instead of being just a simple dumb "rescue the princess" plot element that exists to move the game forward because cartridges didn't have the space to tell indepth stories. nah, i'm just some fat nerd who's dumb[/QUOTE] you can ironicize and satireize and epically self-deprecate yourself all you want but your point doesn't actually mean anything, because no one in the real world actually acts like this the majority of the time

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39835963]You mean like people that use the term white male privilege?[/QUOTE] You should have checked it bro!!! Now look what you've done!!

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39835855]Actually, I'm pretty sure she doesn't agree with that. I remember her saying lara is just a man with gigantic tits created to appeal to male gamers, which makes it even worse than a damsel in distress.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming he's referring to the newest game which is pretty good. [QUOTE=JesterUK;39835803]Saying she stole the money is completely wrong. But even though she didn't ask for it, she should have put more money and effort into the video she's put up. Perhaps the others will be better.[/QUOTE] It was an excellent video though? And she did put a LOT more effort into it than she has with her previous videos, explaining the late release date. [QUOTE=D:\;39835782]For many video games, the main target audience is men, so the player is male trying to save a female. Some video games however are tailored to women, such as Cooking Mama, but us men do not complain that that the game is sexist in that men can cook too, because they know the game is not tailored to them. What this lady is doing is flying to a foreign country and saying all of their cultural traditions are wrong and terrible, and ladies and gentleman, is why this lady is an idiot. If you're going to rate me dumb, be my guest to tell me why I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] You know women like games too, when they aren't being told they're fat, ugly, or slutty whenever they play them? You're gender policing right now by assuming that men = like da "real" vidya gamez and women = lol casual gamers cooking games. [QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39835816]No surprise, she doesn't provide any solutions to the "problems" she "analyzes" she'll upload her videos, tumblr couch feminists will let out a "hurrah", then people will forget and it'll be just another footprint on the sand that'll get filled up by the sands of time[/QUOTE] She never said she was going to though, people paid for this because this is what they wanted.

I have failed to see more than maybe three people actually address the content of the video, it all seems to be general swings at her for whatever rather than any sort of response to the content.

tbh i think ive grown somewhat more misogynistic by playing video games hey thanks Anita, for proving that fictional characters and actions make me behave like a wifebeating man :) i also look upon women as objects of sex and desire and nothing else at all

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39835523][img]http://i.imgur.com/K9jiDN2.png[/img] No panties visible, girl not being treated like she can't handle anything but instead suckerpunched in the stomach as if she's a dude. Too agressive. WHAT DOES THIS WOMAN WANT.[/QUOTE] she punches the main villain in the gut at the very end of the game as well (i.e. she gets the final blow in, adds extra humiliation to his defeat in the process) and i think double dragon neon treated the "damsel in distress" trope as sort of tongue in cheek and the two male characters are dummies and all of the characters are sort of ridiculous? the girl is the only character that actually isnt a stereotype of any sort.

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39835974]where to start... the metaphor about her flying to a foreign country? just because something isn't designed for a particular target audience- that doesn't give a green light to completely shit on or depict those who are less likely to play it in a poor light. For example, just because people in 3rd world African countries are probably not going to play your videogame, that doesn't mean you can depict them all as idiots because "it's not for them"[/QUOTE] If something is tailored to a certain target audience, sure another target audience can play, but they can't whine when they get their feelings hurt.

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39835980]jokes on you, i'm not white [sp]i'm only half[/sp][/QUOTE] I didn't use the word white in my post a single time though

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39835941]It's what angry little boys on the internet say when something disagrees with their worldview[/QUOTE] you do need a word for tumblr nutter though. like the distinction between atheist and r/atheist. having a word with the ability to reliably divorce transethnicity/otherkin-ism/multiple systems from discourse on, say, transgender issues is something we need. I propose "tumblrkin"

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39835927]privileged white women who live in their classy up-town apartments and sit at their macbooks using the analyzation skills they learned from english 101 to theorize that an old 80's game about a plumber was really a ploy by evil shigeru miyamoto to put down women instead of being just a simple dumb "rescue the princess" plot element that exists to move the game forward because cartridges didn't have the space to tell indepth stories. nah, i'm just some fat nerd who's dumb[/QUOTE] uh ok so who's supposed to defend women if she's not alowed to because it hurt ur feelings?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39835963]You mean like people that use the term white male privilege?[/QUOTE] "Rapists are oppressed"