Gays - Seriously, what's wrong about them? - General

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32660850]I'm gonna go on record and say that I'd be fine with unisex bathrooms.[/QUOTE] I'm ok with it, it'd actually be nice when I go swimming with my boyfriend for us to not have to get changed separately and for us to be able to share a locker if they charge. I know one swimming pool where only the showers are unisex and the changing room is huge with lots of cubicals so anyone who wants privacy can use those. I think it was designed so familys can be together in there. [QUOTE=Nlogax;32662575]I don't have a problem with gay people, I just have a problem with people who wear their sexuality on their sleeve. [/QUOTE] Do you feel worse about gay people who do this than straight people?

[QUOTE=xXDictatorXx;32664617] Do you feel worse about gay people who do this than straight people?[/QUOTE] No. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32664552]uhh well "chivalry" stopped being a thing in like 1949 and never had much to do with clothing anyway and quite frankly i don't feel that i'm being dealt much of a discourtesy by being forced to glance askance at a slightly effeminate man who is perhaps wearing a tight shirt because, as i said before, I'm not, like, ludo[/QUOTE] Haha yeah, everyone just decided "alright chivalry isn't a thing anymore guys, do whatever the fuck you want now." It's a principle that is far too often ignored today. It's incredibly rude to run around wearing those clothes and jump around asking everyone to look at you whether they like it or not. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;32664344]oh, so what you're saying is, this has [I]nothing[/I] to do with sexuality, it's about the person's personality? What's the point in bringing it up then?[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that gay people often find it harder to keep their sexuality from interfering with their personality as opposed to straights. I'm not saying its a wrong thing, but I'm pointing out that most people don't enjoy being around someone who's life is dominated by anything, it comes off as desperate and pathetic. Just as if you were hanging out with one of your friends who happened to be extremely wealthy, and all he did was show off all the neat things he bought and talk about how much money he had.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;32531538]The only problem I've ever had with gays is the way they act. They act almost exactly just like a woman. (The ones I know, not saying they all do.) They walk like women, talk like women, do the "talk with hands" thing like women. And they date other gays, who also act like women. It doesn't make sense to me why they're attracted to men who act like women, when they could date a woman who acts like a woman. Unless it's just the penis, not the actual personality that makes them want someone.[/QUOTE] I know this is a week old but fucking hell, let me paint you a picture of me, I'm a ex skinhead, I still wear leather boots and army jackets, I probably walk more manly than you, Closest thing to "talking with hands" I do is punching peoples face in, and fucking hell I want my men manly, or I wouldn't fucking date a man.

[QUOTE=Crimor;32666557]I know this is a week old but fucking hell, let me paint you a picture of me, I'm a ex skinhead, I still wear leather boots and army jackets, I probably walk more manly than you, Closest thing to "talking with hands" I do is punching peoples face in, and fucking hell I want my men manly, or I wouldn't fucking date a man.[/QUOTE] This reminds me of a story a friend told me, a guy in his class used to always do presentations on his sister, so he kept calling the guy in the presentation she by mistake, then out of nowhere, the teacher says 'Stop calling him a she, i'm pretty sure he's not gay' sexuality=/=gender

[video=youtube;in9SiDtJLaU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU&feature=related[/video] Steve Hughes has a rather hilarious perspective on the subject.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32666114]No. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] Haha yeah, everyone just decided "alright chivalry isn't a thing anymore guys, do whatever the fuck you want now." It's a principle that is far too often ignored today. It's incredibly rude to run around wearing those clothes and jump around asking everyone to look at you whether they like it or not. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] I'm just saying that gay people often find it harder to keep their sexuality from interfering with their personality as opposed to straights. I'm not saying its a wrong thing, but I'm pointing out that most people don't enjoy being around someone who's life is dominated by anything, it comes off as desperate and pathetic. Just as if you were hanging out with one of your friends who happened to be extremely wealthy, and all he did was show off all the neat things he bought and talk about how much money he had.[/QUOTE] But straights don't keep their sexuality to themselves at all. You don't notice this since it's normal, but the media constantly talks about hot celebreties. Hell, you even hear people who talk about how hot a movie actress or a local girl is.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32664039]You don't run around in a thong jumping around and acting goofy with anyone, I don't care if it's the goddamn president, it just isn't courteous.[/QUOTE] How often do you honestly see this happen? I personally wouldn't take issue with someone who was doing that, but even from my frame of reference that kind of thing simply does not happen on anywhere near a regular basis, and making it out to be a common occurrence or even representative of homosexuals in any way is just ridiculous. As for chivalry and being a gentleman, I'd say it's entirely possibly to be a gentleman; just be polite and courteous yourself, don't try to enforce your own values on others. As for chivalry, I can think of no reason why I should hold a door open for a woman any more than I should for a man, so I hold it open for anyone. That's what being a gentleman is.

[QUOTE=Crimor;32666557]fucking hell I want my men manly, or I wouldn't fucking date a man.[/QUOTE] I personally don't believe there is a specific way for a man or woman to act. Personality =/= Gender Just because a guy is camp, doesn't make him any less of a man than you.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32517683]Gay sex sounds insanely hot and mischevious because you have to hide it from lots of people. Legalizng gay marriage feels like it would take all the thrill out of it, but that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE] The main point of gay marriage (marriage in general, actually) is not the thrill of sexual activity. At least, I hope it isn't. In any case, most gay people would not oppose the legalization gay marriage for that reason.

My opinion, let people do whatever they want. As long as they have a good time doing so.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32666114] Haha yeah, everyone just decided "alright chivalry isn't a thing anymore guys, do whatever the fuck you want now." It's a principle that is far too often ignored today. It's incredibly rude to run around wearing those clothes and jump around asking everyone to look at you whether they like it or not. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [/QUOTE] No, Chivalry is a concept that revolved solely around knights and their courtly love and devotion to their lord and lady. We don't have knights in the same way we used to, and Chivalry is an outdated and sexist concept in this day and age

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32673938]No, Chivalry is a concept that revolved solely around knights and their courtly love and devotion to their lord and lady. We don't have knights in the same way we used to, and Chivalry is an outdated and sexist concept in this day and age[/QUOTE] additionally chivalry in this age is a great excuse for Nice Guys to portray women as monsters for not going out with them when they have "done so much for them"

Sometimes I think of this subject as just incomprehensible; It's hard to understand why anyone could harbor hate for something that a person can't control. Especially for a trivial reason like this. It's downright despicable how people act towards gays. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them and they are in no way majorly harming today's society or economy. Just because someone's sexuality is different from your own does not mean that they deserve to be attacked by insolent pricks. I fail to understand why anyone would choose to look at a gay as something non-human. Late, probably. But I guess that doesn't matter. I ranted and (don't really know if) got my point out.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32673938]No, Chivalry is a concept that revolved solely around knights and their courtly love and devotion to their lord and lady. We don't have knights in the same way we used to, and Chivalry is an outdated and sexist concept in this day and age[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ehow.com/how_2278987_be-chivalrous.html[/url] [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;32669981]But straights don't keep their sexuality to themselves at all. You don't notice this since it's normal, but the media constantly talks about hot celebreties. Hell, you even hear people who talk about how hot a movie actress or a local girl is.[/QUOTE] No I completely agree with you about straights not keeping their sexuality to themselves either. I believe that the perfect example of a straight man who wears his sexuality on his sleeve is "jock." It's not so much that I care about your sexuality, I could care less. I know plenty of gay people who I love dearly and enjoy their company. On the flip side, I know a handful of gay people who are obnoxious about their sexuality and are constantly "showing it off" and trying to prove some kind of desperate point by acting gay. It's not so much a question of sexuality, its that today gays are often portrayed as "flamers," or ultra-gay freaks. I know this to not be the case, due to my relationships with gay people who are not like this at all. However, it comes down to a question of ones character. It seems that people who let their sexuality consume their lives to the point where it becomes a burden for another person to be around them, that the issue becomes a character flaw, as opposed to sexuality.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32673938]No, Chivalry is a concept that revolved solely around knights and their courtly love and devotion to their lord and lady. We don't have knights in the same way we used to, and Chivalry is an outdated and sexist concept in this day and age[/QUOTE] word meanings change, silly now being chivalrous is considered showing that you care by doing things for another person that they are perfectly able to do themselves

[QUOTE=Bletotum;32687100]word meanings change, silly now being chivalrous is considered showing that you care by doing things for another person that they are perfectly able to do themselves[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry[/url] I'm studying the Arthurian romances at the moment, and I have evidence of people saying that chivalry is an outdated and redundant concept dating back before the victorian era. Chivalry is the Western world's equivalent to Bushido, a code by which knights live. it relates to valour. The whole reason that Don Quixote is seen as a joke is because he still practises the code of chivalry, long since the time of knighthood. I don't see how Valour has anything to do with this argument

Homosexuality assists with population control. It happens in Nature too. If you aren't gay, you won't have sex with someone who is gay so you have nothing to worry about. A lot of gay people have done great things, I.E: Freddie Mercury Some people are just born gay. You can't beat it out of their head. Stop trying to change them. That is all.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32688200][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry[/url] I'm studying the Arthurian romances at the moment, and I have evidence of people saying that chivalry is an outdated and redundant concept dating back before the victorian era. Chivalry is the Western world's equivalent to Bushido, a code by which knights live. it relates to valour. The whole reason that Don Quixote is seen as a joke is because he still practises the code of chivalry, long since the time of knighthood. I don't see how Valour has anything to do with this argument[/QUOTE] The principle of treating others with respect and being a gentleman remains the same. What about some of the codes of conduct in the Bible? Outdated? Yes. Still applied to modern day living? Also yes.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32688406]The principle of treating others with respect and being a gentleman remains the same. What about some of the codes of conduct in the Bible? Outdated? Yes. Still applied to modern day living? Also yes.[/QUOTE] so you're essentially just referring to the golden rule then? I can respect that but you threw me off talking about the code of knights. How is wearing a tight fitting shirt disrespecting others? The idea of being a gentleman is outdated to me as well, I'm not living in the regency period so I don't hold up regency values. If someone isn't a dick, then I'm going to get along just peachy with them, other than that I don't give a shit.

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[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32688468]so you're essentially just referring to the golden rule then? I can respect that but you threw me off talking about the code of knights. How is wearing a tight fitting shirt disrespecting others? The idea of being a gentleman is outdated to me as well, I'm not living in the regency period so I don't hold up regency values. If someone isn't a dick, then I'm going to get along just peachy with them, other than that I don't give a shit.[/QUOTE] It's just so common today for sexuality, wealth, social status, etc to interfere dramatically with ones personality. Unfortunately, gay people are exclusively known for letting this happen more often than not.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32689071]It's just so common today for sexuality, wealth, social status, etc to interfere dramatically with ones personality. Unfortunately, gay people are exclusively known for letting this happen more often than not.[/QUOTE] but that's just plain old stereotyping. At university, I've met a tonne of gay guys and I wouldn't have even realised they were gay if it hadn't come up in conversation or I hadn't saw him kiss his boyfriend. Straight people's sexuality interferes with their personality [I]way[/I] more than most gay people's do. Nearly every guy I know will point out an attractive woman if he sees them, which is more than I've ever seen from any gay people I know.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32689071]It's just so common today for sexuality, wealth, social status, etc to interfere dramatically with ones personality. Unfortunately, gay people are exclusively known for letting this happen more often than not.[/QUOTE] When you wake up in the morning, do you try to dress somewhat attractively? (different then modesty). Do you dress and act in certain ways to try and be more presentable to members of the opposite sex? That's the exact thing me and other gay men do. We do the exact same things you do, but the key difference is that our interests lie in different places than yours. Our society for the longest time has revolved around the male to female dynamic, the reason you think I let my homosexuality "interfere with my personality" is because the things I do are more noticeable because it doesn't fit in with the majority.

The whole thing is pretty good and very accurately describes the whole gay controversy but if you want to get more to the point and skip to 2:10 <br> [media]http://www.youtube.com/3ANrvQC4wIk[/media] Ah...heres a even more extended version [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-id4GKsaQk&[/media] Well FP is broken just click the damn links

Im gay and no-one expects that when i tell them, they think im joking all the time.

[QUOTE=fenwick;32518071]Homosexual people can still get pregnant.[/QUOTE] Simple, you take two sperm and take the dna from one and put it into an egg and then you put the sperm into the egg and then you have a man-baby that is probably going to have a horrible childhood until it becomes more common it about 90 years, just like women and jobs

[QUOTE=BagMinge104;32691130]When you wake up in the morning, do you try to dress somewhat attractively? (different then modesty). Do you dress and act in certain ways to try and be more presentable to members of the opposite sex? That's the exact thing me and other gay men do. We do the exact same things you do, but the key difference is that our interests lie in different places than yours. Our society for the longest time has revolved around the male to female dynamic, the reason you think I let my homosexuality "interfere with my personality" is because the things I do are more noticeable because it doesn't fit in with the majority.[/QUOTE] That's fine, i'm just referring to the gays that become [i]consumed[/i] by this lifestyle. Too much of anything is bad imho.

[QUOTE=Nlogax;32704568]That's fine, i'm just referring to the gays that become [i]consumed[/i] by this lifestyle. Too much of anything is bad imho.[/QUOTE] If everyone was plain and made no effort to express who they are this world would suck ass. You may be fine blending in, that's completely acceptable, but not everyone wants to and you have no right to tell them they should

I always feel that homophobes are either unsure of their own sexuality or have some misapprehension of what gay people are like, so basically it's a fear of the unknown thing. Years back I worked at a cinema and one of my best friends there was probably the most flamboyant, over-the-top gay guy I've ever met. None of the other male staff would work with Ben if they could avoid it, maybe thinking that his gayness would be infectious or maybe that he'd rape them. Basically once we had got over the initial "I'm straight, you're wasting your time" stuff, we were fine. We had some interesting conversations, such as the old favourite "If you [i]were[/i] gay, would you find me attractive?" (answer: I have no idea, I'm not gay). We kind of came to the understanding that I was as straight as he was gay and that we couldn't be anything more than friends. It was a lot of fun at times being amongst really uptight guys, Ben and me played with their minds whenever the opportunity presented itself. Just simple things like flirting with each other when we knew it would make people uncomfortable, broadcasting suggestive calls over the radios (like when I needed him to "come upstairs to help me with my machinery" and to bring some lube from the storeroom. Basically, any way we could slip innuendos or double entendres into a radio conversation). The weird thing is that the other guys probably wouldn't have minded that kind of pretend-homo messing around, except for the fact that I was doing it (hurhur) with with an openly gay guy. I was really pissed off at some people's attitudes towards Ben. Even when they weren't being directly offensive, they'd say things like: "I wouldn't mind him if he wasn't so obvious about it", why the hell should he (if he could) change the way he is for their benefit? To me it seems like a stupid way to think.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;32706212]I always feel that homophobes are either unsure of their own sexuality or have some misapprehension of what gay people are like, so basically it's a fear of the unknown thing. Years back I worked at a cinema and one of my best friends there was probably the most flamboyant, over-the-top gay guy I've ever met. None of the other male staff would work with Ben if they could avoid it, maybe thinking that his gayness would be infectious or maybe that he'd rape them. Basically once we had got over the initial "I'm straight, you're wasting your time" stuff, we were fine. We had some interesting conversations, such as the old favourite "If you [i]were[/i] gay, would you find me attractive?" (answer: I have no idea, I'm not gay). We kind of came to the understanding that I was as straight as he was gay and that we couldn't be anything more than friends. It was a lot of fun at times being amongst really uptight guys, Ben and me played with their minds whenever the opportunity presented itself. Just simple things like flirting with each other when we knew it would make people uncomfortable, broadcasting suggestive calls over the radios (like when I needed him to "come upstairs to help me with my machinery" and to bring some lube from the storeroom. Basically, any way we could slip innuendos or double entendres into a radio conversation). The weird thing is that the other guys probably wouldn't have minded that kind of pretend-homo messing around, except for the fact that I was doing it (hurhur) with with an openly gay guy. I was really pissed off at some people's attitudes towards Ben. Even when they weren't being directly offensive, they'd say things like: "I wouldn't mind him if he wasn't so obvious about it", why the hell should he (if he could) change the way he is for their benefit? To me it seems like a stupid way to think.[/QUOTE] Everyone should be like you.