[QUOTE=Aerkhan;32746777]
Really?
Source please, I've NEVER seen a gay animal.
Except my dog that is but his balls have been cut off so w/e.[/QUOTE]
what does that have to do with it?
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;32746777]
Really?
Source please, I've NEVER seen a gay animal.
Except my dog that is but his balls have been cut off so w/e.[/QUOTE]unlike some human gays we don't go flaunting it around
so for all you know your cat is gay
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32742351]I like your attitude except for the "I'm straight, you're wasting your time" thing. It's not like when an ugly girl comes up to you for a chat you say "you're wasting your time" before talking to them. It's just this presumptuous undertone on Facepunch where everyone assumes a gay guy talking to them = a gay guy wanting to fuck them.[/QUOTE]
I didn't actually say it like that, that was just a summary of a conversation we had. Basically he was seriously coming on to me and I let him down gently.
I didn't just assume that he would be after my ass because he was as camp as a row of tents.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;32742029]Oh and the assumption that all gays act gay is a myth.
People don't know I'm gay usually until I tell them. It's not a big part of my life I like to flaunt.
I don't even like flaunting it, because I would never want someone to define me as just gay and nothing else.
Homosexuality is VERY prominent in the rest of the animal kingdom.
Sexuality is very complex, so it's something that varies in a lot of ways, and people are so ignorant to that.[/QUOTE]
QFT.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3Z1Aq.png[/IMG]
Just sayin.
[QUOTE=flyschy;32741391]It's just as wrong to say homosexuality is moral because it occurs in nature as it is to say it's immoral because it doesn't.
Animal behavior tells us nothing about human morality.[/QUOTE]
well cool because I didn't say anything about morality
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;32746777]Really?
Source please, I've NEVER seen a gay animal.
Except my dog that is but his balls have been cut off so w/e.[/QUOTE]
this is such a well known phenomenon that you should just look it up
I'm gay and the few people saying they don't like the overly flamboyant gays I agree with them that I don't like them but it's more of I'm annoyed by them because they seem to want to have attention from others, but it's not because they are gay. There are plenty of straights too that want attention and act 'flamboyant' in a sense. I give the flamboyant air-quotes because flamboyant usually has a gay connotation to it because of so many people associating the word with gays. Anyone who is flamboyant (marked by or given to strikingly elaborate or colorful display or behavior - Merriam-Webster) I consider annoying because of how they usually act, not because they are gay or straight.
Being gay has this large stereotype that everyone has believed or still believe in because of the flamboyant types of gays because of how much attention they gather whether they want it or not. So just like any other stereotyped group of people, other people will always expect them to be like the stereotype and will probably be prejudice before they even get to know a gay person. I think this is also true for other stereotyped groups of people as well and it's just in human nature to have (going off of what st0rmforce has already said) fear of the unknown and we need to classify things and be mentally prepared for something we know little about so I think people do use stereotypes to mentally prepare, in a sense, for when they actually meet a gay they will have the preconceived idea of what they're going to be like as not to be caught off guard.
Agreed. I've never really understood homophobia. Then again, a phobia is irrational fear. I can see people not understanding it, though, as I've met so many people who have different interpretations of basically anything.
I've seen a profound rise in positive thinking, especially toward equality. The only people that seem to have a problem are: Dicks, people who were raised wrong, and then the ingrates.
[QUOTE=Rainhorror;32748023]I'm gay and the few people saying they don't like the overly flamboyant gays I agree with them that I don't like them but it's more of I'm annoyed by them because they seem to want to have attention from others, but it's not because they are gay. There are plenty of straights too that want attention and act 'flamboyant' in a sense. I give the flamboyant air-quotes because flamboyant usually has a gay connotation to it because of so many people associating the word with gays. Anyone who is flamboyant (marked by or given to strikingly elaborate or colorful display or behavior - Merriam-Webster) I consider annoying because of how they usually act, not because they are gay or straight.
Being gay has this large stereotype that everyone has believed or still believe in because of the flamboyant types of gays because of how much attention they gather whether they want it or not. So just like any other stereotyped group of people, other people will always expect them to be like the stereotype and will probably be prejudice before they even get to know a gay person. I think this is also true for other stereotyped groups of people as well and it's just in human nature to have (going off of what st0rmforce has already said) fear of the unknown and we need to classify things and be mentally prepared for something we know little about so I think people do use stereotypes to mentally prepare, in a sense, for when they actually meet a gay they will have the preconceived idea of what they're going to be like as not to be caught off guard.[/QUOTE]
It's nice to get your point of view in. A lot of people here (and other places I'm sure) say things like "I'm not against gay marriage/homophobic but I find gays annoying" and don't realize that their ideas about gays are still pretty lame.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;32751771]It's nice to get your point of view in. A lot of people here (and other places I'm sure) say things like "I'm not against gay marriage/homophobic but I find gays annoying" and don't realize that their ideas about gays are still pretty lame.[/QUOTE]
I think that's more to do with people miscommunicating than anything.
No one hates flamboyant gay people because they are gay, they hate them because they are fucking annoying people regardless of sexual orientation.
I'm gay and I fucking hate the people that run around being as flamboyant as possible, regardless of their sexuality.
[QUOTE=revan740;32748325]Agreed. I've never really understood homophobia. Then again, a phobia is irrational fear. I can see people not understanding it, though, as I've met so many people who have different interpretations of basically anything.
I've seen a profound rise in positive thinking, especially toward equality. The only people that seem to have a problem are: Dicks, people who were raised wrong, and then the ingrates.[/QUOTE]
Seriously I never got why homophobia is called that way. Is racism called chromophobia? Is sexism called gynephobia or androphobia? No.
It's not irrational fear it's irrational HATE. The people you call homophobics are rarely afraid of gays, they mostly want to punch them and torture them.
If you have a problem with 2 people in love you are the weird one in the first place. (Not talking to you revan, I agree with you, I just had to make my point about "homophobia")
[QUOTE=Onirik;32757882]
If you have a problem with 2 people in love you are the weird one in the first place. (Not talking to you revan, I agree with you, I just had to make my point about "homophobia")[/QUOTE]
Two consenting adults that have feelings for each other enjoying themselves in the privacy of their own home/space?
Fuck that makes me so ANGRY.
I hate flamboyant people regardless of gender. They're annoying bitches.
we want equal rights we're the same as everyone else
and then they parade wearing leather pants with their butts showing
i've never met a mean gayist.
[QUOTE=Jookia;32761540]I hate flamboyant people regardless of gender. They're annoying bitches.[/QUOTE]
In my limited experience, they're not that bad once you get to know them.
The few that I've known are all very funny people with very few inhibitions to get in their way.
Obviously there will be some people who are just plain annoying with no redeeming qualities, but you won't know if you just avoid them.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;32761579]we want equal rights we're the same as everyone else
and then they parade wearing leather pants with their butts showing[/QUOTE]
Why on earth would some people wearing leather pants with no asses in any way impact what rights they deserve?
[QUOTE=thewhitz;32762037]gayist[/quote]
?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32763260]Why on earth would some people wearing leather pants with no asses in any way impact what rights they deserve?[/QUOTE]
it doesn't
but its still embarrassing for all gay people's sakes
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;32762039]In my limited experience, they're not that bad once you get to know them.
The few that I've known are all very funny people with very few inhibitions to get in their way.
Obviously there will be some people who are just plain annoying with no redeeming qualities, but you won't know if you just avoid them.[/QUOTE]
the really flaming gays make great people to go out drinking with, they're just really funny and they only care about having fun. Any aspects of a flamboyant homosexual's personality that annoys you sober instantly becomes their best feature when you're twatted on cider
[QUOTE=Bletotum;32763409]it doesn't
but its still embarrassing for all gay people's sakes[/QUOTE]
Okay? There's just as many embarrassing straight people, why even make the distinction of whether they're gay or not?
the point is that pride parades are not supposed to increase homophobia
pride parades are large public events of which the majority of participants are assumed to be gay; if a majority of the participants look like the stereotype they strengthen it as well
[QUOTE=Weemanply109;32747688]QFT.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3Z1Aq.png[/IMG]
Just sayin.[/QUOTE]
That's a dumb argument.
Instinct is found in over 450 species
Logic is found in only 1
Which one seems unnatural now?
Just sayin.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;32766797]the point is that pride parades are not supposed to increase homophobia
pride parades are large public events of which the majority of participants are assumed to be gay; if a majority of the participants look like the stereotype they strengthen it as well[/QUOTE]
do you have any actual proof (read, not anectdotes) that a pride parade strengthens homophobia? because i sure as hell can't see a reasonable person suddenly deciding to hate homosexuals upon seeing a bunch of scantily clad men
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32768206]do you have any actual proof (read, not anectdotes) that a pride parade strengthens homophobia? because i sure as hell can't see a reasonable person suddenly deciding to hate homosexuals upon seeing a bunch of scantily clad men[/QUOTE]
It verifies the stereotype
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32768206]do you have any actual proof (read, not anectdotes) that a pride parade strengthens homophobia? because i sure as hell can't see a reasonable person suddenly deciding to hate homosexuals upon seeing a bunch of scantily clad men[/QUOTE]
are you implying that homophobes are reasonable?
[QUOTE=Bletotum;32772505]are you implying that homophobes are reasonable?[/QUOTE]
the hypothetical person i described couldn't be a homophobe before they chose to be a homophobe, now could they?
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;32770647]It verifies the stereotype[/QUOTE]
but seeing a "validation" of a stereotype isn't what makes a person hateful. i don't become a racist when i see a black person who fits any of the stereotypes for black people
what i'm saying is that gay pride parades don't make people homophobes. people who were already homophobes point to gay pride parades as an attempt to justify their homophobia
[editline]13th October 2011[/editline]
hate is something that is trained into a person; a person doesn't spontaneously become hateful upon seeing a person who fits a stereotype
[editline]13th October 2011[/editline]
your very argument hinges on the belief that there is something, intrinsically, to dislike about gay pride parades and that, therefore, they are able to seed a dislike for homosexuals where one does not already exist
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;32767860]That's a dumb argument.
Instinct is found in over 450 species
Logic is found in only 1
Which one seems unnatural now?
Just sayin.[/QUOTE]
without the second part it's a good argument.
ie:
Homophobia is found in over 450 species.
What's unnatural now?
also your argument isn't really relevant or true seeing as you can't really compare instinct and logic and they're not very different in many cases honestly.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32774081]without the second part it's a good argument.
ie:
Homophobia is found in over 450 species.
What's unnatural now?
also your argument isn't really relevant or true seeing as you can't really compare instinct and logic and they're not very different in many cases honestly.[/QUOTE]The entire argument is an appeal to nature either way you go. The point isn't that it's a good argument, the point is that it's using the same logic against those that say homosexuality is unnatural.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32768206]do you have any actual proof (read, not anectdotes) that a pride parade strengthens homophobia? because i sure as hell can't see a reasonable person suddenly deciding to hate homosexuals upon seeing a bunch of scantily clad men[/QUOTE]
Mardi Gras definitely strengthens heterophobia so I don't see why the inverse wouldn't be true.
Oh what I am saying that was silly! Almost silly enough to be like I'm proving a point
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