Gays - Seriously, what's wrong about them? - General

[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;32801634]There is nothing wrong about being Gay, homosexual, etc... It's a choice and love comes in many ways. And since it's a personal matter I think at a certain age are responsible for their acts and therefore deserve to be happy even against all prejudices.[/QUOTE] It's not a bloody choice.

I believe true gays are born that way. Thats the way they are. Religious people should think. If my god hates them. Why is that person like that? Why did god make them like that? But I cringe at the thought of gays having sex. Thats just wrong for me. I do not believe in them getting married either. They should NOT be allowed to adopt children. Pretty much because that child will most certainly turn out gay. Which isn't right. I really, really hate gays that act like twats. Prancing about talking funny and all that. wtf? Thats not normal to me. It gets on my nerves how they try to stick out.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454]Pretty much because that child will most certainly turn out gay. [/QUOTE] Source please.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454]I believe true gays are born that way. Thats the way they are. Religious people should think. If my god hates them. Why is that person like that? Why did god make them like that? But I cringe at the thought of gays having sex. Thats just wrong for me. I do not believe in them getting married either. They should NOT be allowed to adopt children. Pretty much because that child will most certainly turn out gay. Which isn't right. I really, really hate gays that act like twats. Prancing about talking funny and all that. wtf? Thats not normal to me. It gets on my nerves how they try to stick out.[/QUOTE] At the thought of gays having sex, if you're thinking that you might be closer to them than you think. What's wrong with them getting married? it would be the only way for them to actually visit their loved ones in the hospital etc, receive tax cuts, etc. And there's no fucking proof about children of gays become gay, you're no better than an average bible thumper.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454][b]I believe true gays are born that way[/b]...They should NOT be allowed to adopt children. [b]Pretty much because that child will most certainly turn out gay[/b]...[/QUOTE] :raise: Either you are contradicting yourself, or you are insinuating that there are 'fake' gays.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;32804529]:raise:[/QUOTE] Children pick up traits and act a lot like their parents who they grow up around. They see things happening, they will think that is right. Everybody I know is like their parents in one way or another. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Crimor;32804506]At the thought of gays having sex, if you're thinking that you might be closer to them than you think. What's wrong with them getting married? it would be the only way for them to actually visit their loved ones in the hospital etc, receive tax cuts, etc. And there's no fucking proof about children of gays become gay, you're no better than an average bible thumper.[/QUOTE] Perhaps I'm wrong about children growing up becoming gay due to that. But children pick things up. I'm not close to them. I don't understand how that is the only way to visit loved ones in hospital. The fact that you call them bible thumpers shows you are just as bad as them yourself. Perhaps I'm no better.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454]Pretty much because that child will most certainly turn out gay.[/QUOTE] From research conducted by the American Psychological Association: "Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a)." [url]http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/parenting.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr._N;32804716]From research conducted by the American Psychological Association: "Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a)." [url]http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/parenting.aspx[/url][/QUOTE] I'm not reading all that at 3:45 am... Later on in the day.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454]I believe true gays are born that way. Thats the way they are. Religious people should think. If my god hates them. Why is that person like that? Why did god make them like that? But I cringe at the thought of gays having sex. Thats just wrong for me. [/quote] And? Are ugly people not allowed to have sex? Elderly people? Fat people? Disabled people? Why the fuck does what people do consensually have anything to do with your approval, or whether you'd find it 'right'? [QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454]I do not believe in them getting married either. [/quote] Why the fuck not? [QUOTE=SamM9845;32804454]They should NOT be allowed to adopt children. Pretty much because that child will most certainly turn out gay. Which isn't right.[/QUOTE] You're clearly completely ignorant in this area. All legitimate studies done in the past twenty years show that children of same-sex couples conform to the same ratio of straight/bisexual/gay/etc. as children of hetero couples. By that logic, all children from heterosexual relationships would be straight, which is obviously untrue. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] You know what children from same-sex couples usually learn from their parents? Acceptance.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804735]I'm not reading all that at 3:45 am... Later on in the day.[/QUOTE] you don't need to read the entire thing, all you need to know is that it proves that you're wrong

boy has 2 fathers, twice as manly boy has 2 mothers, twice as understanding of women y u so mad tho

[QUOTE=MrTwicks;32806095]boy has 2 fathers, twice as manly boy has 2 mothers, twice as understanding of women y u so mad tho[/QUOTE] The only negative to having 2 fathers or 2 mothers is the bullying. I know a guy who had 2 mums and he got bullied the fuck out as a kid, he had it real tough. But he is the nicest dude ever now although I was scared of him when I first met him cause he was covered in tattoos :v:

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32806139]The only negative to having 2 fathers or 2 mothers is the bullying. I know a guy who had 2 mums and he got bullied the fuck out as a kid, he had it real tough. But he is the nicest dude ever now although I was scared of him when I first met him cause he was covered in tattoos :v:[/QUOTE] That's got nothing to do with them, though. It's got everything to do with people like SamM9845, who espouse bigoted, ignorant crap.

[QUOTE=MrTwicks;32806095]boy has 2 fathers, twice as manly boy has 2 mothers, twice as understanding of women y u so mad tho[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a hilarious protest sign I saw a picture of. It was basically to the effect of "Jesus had 2 dads, why can't I?".

The only people I've ever seen who are homophobic, on- and off-line, are also immature. That also goes for me growing up in a homophobic house.

[QUOTE=SamM9845;32804565] Perhaps I'm wrong about children growing up becoming gay due to that. But children pick things up. I'm not close to them. [B] I don't understand how that is the only way to visit loved ones in hospital[/B]. The fact that you call them bible thumpers shows you are just as bad as them yourself. Perhaps I'm no better.[/QUOTE] if a person is in critical condition or something, they'll often only let in family. And also there's the obvious health insurance benefits which come from marriage. Plus, who are they hurting? I can understand that some people might be iffy about gay parents, though I don't agree, but gay marriage doesn't affect anything.

[QUOTE=Errorproxy;32800247]Yeah, there is a 'gay' accent. You know, lisps and all. You can't really explain the rest but there is. I don't mind if people act gay even if they are gay. Doesn't matter. It's like interracial marriages, before they were shunned upon and look at us now. In the near future I hope we will laugh at those who thing gay marriages should be outlawed.[/QUOTE] There is no gay "accent." That's flamboyance, and has [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metrosexual]nothing to do[/url] with being gay. Also, there's not such thing as "acting gay". The fuck does that even mean?

[QUOTE=Crimor;32803498]It's not a bloody choice.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. Nobody's born either homosexual either heterosexual. That's not genetic, therefore it's nothing wrong. You study this in Psychology. As contrary to common believe it's not something you're born with, both homosexuality and Heterosexuality are things you develop through time. Like for example, when you're in kindergarden usually male kids when confronted with the idea of kissing another girl feel "disgusted", because you only develop your sexuality and your sexual life at puberty. If you have doubts google it. Also this theory of "choice" proves that gays are not "weirdos". It proves that people are responsible enough to chose their own path regardless of common belief. So it's a good thing!

[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;32811262]Yes it is. Nobody's born either homosexual either heterosexual. That's not genetic, therefore it's nothing wrong. You study this in Psychology. As contrary to common believe it's not something you're born with, both homosexuality and Heterosexuality are things you develop through time. Like for example, when you're in kindergarden usually male kids when confronted with the idea of kissing another girl feel "disgusted", because you only develop your sexuality and your sexual life at puberty. If you have doubts google it. Also this theory of "choice" proves that gays are not "weirdos". It proves that people are responsible enough to chose their own path regardless of common belief. So it's a good thing![/QUOTE] so you're saying they choose it? you're saying that throughout the decades of punishment, exclusion, revulsion, and segregation, these gay people who have been hung, arrested, exiled,have been choosing to do it? [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] because that seems nonsensical to me

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32811314]so you're saying they choose it? you're saying that throughout the decades of punishment, exclusion, revulsion, and segregation, these gay people who have been hung, arrested, exiled,have been choosing to do it? [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] because that seems nonsensical to me[/QUOTE] Research it, man. You'll find it logical. Gay =/= Hermaphrodite witch is genetic. I'm not saying this thesis is against gays. On the contrary! It proves that they are not limited beings and have the same horizons as every person out there. It proves us all equals regardless of our differences. Cause gays should not fight for right of difference. They should fight for the right of equality, and that's what they are in the end - we are all equals. So you believe you're heterosexual till the day you were born? That is nonsense. Nobody is 100% straight neither 100% homosexual. That's a path you take through experience until you reach that time when you're 100% sure of your sexuality, because at some point, all of us have doubts about our sexuality, am I right? There are also lots of heterosexuals who had gay experiences and liked it, yet they like the opposite sex. See where I'm getting at? Humans are not that limited through genetics and such, we are "weird" and unpredictable and it's wrong to justify one's "weirdness" by genetics just cause we don't understand it. It's common belief throughout the pro-gay community to think that. It's illogical and everybody who studies psychology and human sexology can tell you that. It is true, just think about it.

[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;32811470]Research it, man. You'll find it logical. Gay =/= Hermaphrodite witch is genetic. I'm not saying this thesis is against gays. On the contrary! It proves that they are not limited beings and have the same horizons as every person out there. It proves us all equals regardless of our differences. Cause gays should not fight for right of difference. They should fight for the right of equality, and that's what they are in the end - we are all equals. So you believe you're heterosexual till the day you were born? That is nonsense. Nobody is 100% straight neither 100% homosexual. That's a path you take through experience until you reach that time when you're 100% sure of your sexuality, because at some point, all of us have doubts about our sexuality, am I right? There are also lots of heterosexuals who had gay experiences and liked it, yet they like the opposite sex. See where I'm getting at? Humans are not that limited through genetics and such, we are "weird" and unpredictable and it's wrong to justify one's "weirdness" by genetics just cause we don't understand it. It's common belief throughout the pro-gay community to think that. It's illogical and everybody who studies psychology and human sexology can tell you that. It is true, just think about it.[/QUOTE] it might not be genetic, I'm not arguing that, and I'm not arguing that human sexuality is black and white. What I'm saying is, you attributed it to choice, whereas there have already been several gay posters in threads like this stating that they did [I]not[/I] choose to be gay, and had they a choice, it would have been heterosexuality to avoid the stigma and abuse that comes with homosexuality. I mean, there have been videos posted in this thread that support gayness being decided pre-natal, but that's not my argument. I'm saying whatever gayness is, it isn't a 'choice'.

I don't give a shit, they can fuck, they can marry, they can have kids, I don't give a shit. Just if you're gay, don't grab my ass or speak in that annoying voice or anything like that. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jimpy;32800151]Gays rape children. They'll turn the children gay. The children will act like fags. Who knows?[/QUOTE] WHAT?! Are you fucking kidding me? I've read hundreds of stories, where two gay guys raised a straight son. That logic is EXTREMELY flawed.

The word choice is a very linear one. That's why I put it under "". What I'm saying is it's not 100% genetic. Genetics only go so far in Homosexuality. It only influence your hormone levels as much as the whole complexity that is human behaviour at many levels. What I'm saying is people are how they are at more levels than just "genetics". I'll give you my example, witch is basically every normal person's example: I'm heterosexual and I didn't choose to be nor it was dictated by genetics. I developed it. Yet, like every person, at a certain moments in life I questioned my heterosexuality. Like every living person I had my doubts. Where I'm getting at is, what If at some point me, you, or some other heterosexual out there would have a homosexual experience and liked it? Obviously that wouldn't make you gay because your comfort zone lies on heterosexuality. Yet, you're only really sure once you experience things, right?! And that's where I'm getting at, human life develops through experiences, and that's the kind of subconscious non-linear "choice" I was talking about. Nobody is 100% straight or 100% gay, human life is about experience and people should be allowed to discover themselves without it being tabu or religious or social heresy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Now on a personal note and out of the "reply" to strayedbyrd: Personally I'm Christian and I've had a Christian education and I'm very revolted with the fact that Catholic Church, who preaches about love and equality, bans gay marriage from it's midst like it's some kind of sexual lust. Love is love. It's unexplainable and non-linear.

[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;32811804]The word choice is a very linear one. That's why I put it under "". What I'm saying is it's not 100% genetic. Genetics only go so far in Homosexuality. It only influence your hormone levels as much as the whole complexity that is human behaviour at many levels. What I'm saying is people are how they are at more levels than just "genetics". I'll give you my example, witch is basically every normal person's example: I'm heterosexual and I didn't choose to be nor it was dictated by genetics. I developed it. Yet, like every person, at a certain moments in life I questioned my heterosexuality. Like every living person I had my doubts. Where I'm getting at is, what If at some point me, you, or some other heterosexual out there would have a homosexual experience and liked it? Obviously that wouldn't make you gay because your comfort zone lies on heterosexuality. Yet, you're only really sure once you experience things, right?! And that's where I'm getting at, human life develops through experiences, and that's the kind of subconscious non-linear "choice" I was talking about. Nobody is 100% straight or 100% gay, human life is about experience and people should be allowed to discover themselves without it being tabu or religious or social heresy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Now on a personal note and out of the "reply" to strayedbyrd: Personally I'm Christian and I've had a Christian education and I'm very revolted with the fact that Catholic Church, who preaches about love and equality, bans gay marriage from it's midst like it's some kind of sexual lust. Love is love. It's unexplainable and non-linear.[/QUOTE] This man, listen to him!

I met Christians who have said "Oh Gay people shouldn't be born, there wrong, dirty, and only destroy america bu spreading more STD's around" Now I spoke to her "What if a Straight american family, had 6 kids and just lived on our government only pushing it further into debt and on the other hand what if this one gay guy solves a cure for aids? Which one would you like to have in your silly religious book?" Should of seen the look on her face.

[QUOTE=postmanX3;32810680]There is no gay "accent." That's flamboyance, and has [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metrosexual]nothing to do[/url] with being gay. Also, there's not such thing as "acting gay". The fuck does that even mean?[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.berlin-life.com/media/pics/gay.jpg[/img] *totally not gay.*

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812128][img]http://www.berlin-life.com/media/pics/gay.jpg[/img] *totally not gay.*[/QUOTE] I know a heterosexual married transvestite. He lives a street over from me and he's an electrician.

[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;32811804]Love is love. It's unexplainable and non-linear.[/QUOTE] Marriage and love are entirely separate.

[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;32811804]The word choice is a very linear one. That's why I put it under "". What I'm saying is it's not 100% genetic. Genetics only go so far in Homosexuality. It only influence your hormone levels as much as the whole complexity that is human behaviour at many levels. What I'm saying is people are how they are at more levels than just "genetics". I'll give you my example, witch is basically every normal person's example: I'm heterosexual and I didn't choose to be nor it was dictated by genetics. I developed it. Yet, like every person, at a certain moments in life I questioned my heterosexuality. Like every living person I had my doubts. Where I'm getting at is, what If at some point me, you, or some other heterosexual out there would have a homosexual experience and liked it? Obviously that wouldn't make you gay because your comfort zone lies on heterosexuality. Yet, you're only really sure once you experience things, right?! And that's where I'm getting at, human life develops through experiences, and that's the kind of subconscious non-linear "choice" I was talking about. Nobody is 100% straight or 100% gay, human life is about experience and people should be allowed to discover themselves without it being tabu or religious or social heresy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Now on a personal note and out of the "reply" to strayedbyrd: Personally I'm Christian and I've had a Christian education and I'm very revolted with the fact that Catholic Church, who preaches about love and equality, bans gay marriage from it's midst like it's some kind of sexual lust. Love is love. It's unexplainable and non-linear.[/QUOTE] I know you're not an imbecile, but the word "choice" is a freaking landmine in these discussions. It's mainly because people connect it to those idiots that think being gay is a conscious choice, while it's either genetic, or a subconscious choice. But in the same vein, wouldn't pedophilia be a choice, hell, any fetish?

Yes. But paedophilia is clearly unethical because it harms children and implies going against other people's freedom and harming the child's body, since it's not ready to have sex and therefore can be injured and confused during the act since it will definitely hurt. That's another discussion that involves a whole lot of things. However we know children are easily manipulated and by so they can be lead to do things they'll later regret. So yeah, rock hard & ride free but don't hurt anyone in the process. My philosophy on the "taboo/difference/weirdness" issue is very simple: One has not the right to judge people for the way they carry on their personal lives. This makes me remember of something my Philosophy teacher once told me: "If you see someone that has a strange behaviour or dresses in a way you find funny, try hard to fight the side in you that judges and goes "oh that guy looks like an idiot". Instead, teach yourselves to accept things the way they are." and I could see how this could be carried to a whole new level. Society implicitly imposes a lot of things. And most of people stick to the basic "normal" standards because that's what's expected for them, and most of them by doing so, are never really happy at all. Staying in the safe zone and sticking to what's expected from you is what defines an insecure person. People tend to hide behind their rules beliefs and religions to justify their intolerance, but when you come to think of it, most of that "weird" shit that's considered a taboo out there is nothing but the very foundation of what makes every individual unique. So what if you have the weirdest sex fetish out there? So what? Be happy and discover yourselves! That's a thing that only a few people dare to do.