Gays - Seriously, what's wrong about them? - General

[QUOTE=Vasili;32518167]i.e he put homosexuality into the same category as pedophilia and object sexuality which are the result of psychological factor which is also another word for being mentally disturbed.[/QUOTE] And what if it [I]is[/I] the result of psychological factors? We can't just throw out the possibility on that basis. Offended? Real fucking tough.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32518320]And what if it [I]is[/I] the result of psychological factors? We can't just throw out the possibility on that basis. Offended? Real fucking tough.[/QUOTE] And so what if it is? The cause shouldn't matter. Why does it? Why don't we lock up (institutionalize) everyone who doesn't fit to a very narrow model of what is considered normal?

-snip- People takin' shit too seriously.

[QUOTE=Contag;32518312]Did you know that only gay men have gay sex with underage boys? By [I]definition.[/I][/QUOTE] That's actually untrue, straight men rape young boys all the time. If you look at the catholic sex abuse cases, about 80% of victims were male.

[QUOTE=Contag;32518329]And so what if it is? The cause shouldn't matter. Why does it? Why don't we lock up (institutionalize) everyone who doesn't fit to a very narrow model of what is considered normal?[/QUOTE] Nobody is advocating locking anybody up. Not here, at least.

[QUOTE=Skepsis;32518332]Gay guy here. What's wrong with us? Lots. We also have a pretty big weakness to toned muscles and penises (trufax), hold a predisposition to get aids, and are more likely to do drugs and commit suicide. That's all inherent though, has nothing to do with sociological aspects of various cultures. Honest. We do however, inherently know how to dress [I]fabulously[/I] and bake some pretty god damned good cupcakes. We generally have bigger dicks than heterosexual males, and have shown to have similar brain symmetry to heterosexual women - thus we learn emotionally similar to them. Not gunna lie, I can cry a lot. That can also mean we have a greater fight or flight response so we're not afraid to either a) bitch slap you with our man-purses or b) cower behind our buff boyfriends.[/QUOTE] I really hope you aren't actually gay because you are a terrible advocate of homosexuality.

I have gay friends and I dont really mind people being gay, but I hate it when they put the stupid accent on and stuff that annoys me, it even annoys my gay friends.

[QUOTE=Skepsis;32518332]Gay guy here. What's wrong with us? Lots. We also have a pretty big weakness to toned muscles and penises (trufax), hold a predisposition to get aids, and are more likely to do drugs and commit suicide. That's all inherent though, has nothing to do with sociological aspects of various cultures. Honest. We do however, inherently know how to dress [I]fabulously[/I] and bake some pretty god damned good cupcakes. We generally have bigger dicks than heterosexual males, and have shown to have similar brain symmetry to heterosexual women - thus we learn emotionally similar to them. Not gunna lie, I can cry a lot. That can also mean we have a greater fight or flight response so we're not afraid to either a) bitch slap you with our man-purses or b) cower behind our buff boyfriends.[/QUOTE] Woah, it's like the reason why homosexuality is seen as frivolous showed up on our little forum. There is so much wrong with this post I can't even begin to make words for it.

[QUOTE=fenwick;32518341]That's actually untrue, straight men rape young boys all the time. If you look at the catholic sex abuse cases, about 80% of victims were male.[/QUOTE] ... what If men have sex with men they are not straight. They may call themselves straight, but that is acceptable as people from the Westboro Baptist church calling themselves sane. My point is that arguments against homosexuality are terribly flawed. [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;32518346]Nobody is advocating locking anybody up. Not here, at least.[/QUOTE] if it's classified as a mental disorder, why not?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32518320]And what if it [I]is[/I] the result of psychological factors? We can't just throw out the possibility on that basis. Offended? Real fucking tough.[/QUOTE] Because being gay is nothing like being a baby raper, at all, nor is having a sexual obsession and lust for inanimate objects, its dumbass statement to link the two together in the same position as those because there is theoretical backing towards it being biological first rather than being a development through psychology. The notion that a heterosexual man can be turned gay through trauma or brainwashing is what you're implying? If so then its got the same amount of proof that you can turn a gay person straight through those infamous religious anti gay camps.

[QUOTE=Contag;32518312]Did you know that only gay men have gay sex with underage boys? By [I]definition.[/I] I find all the arguments against homosexually absolutely abhorrent and immensely flawed. [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] Uh, probably because of comments like that.[/QUOTE] I meant, Am I stealing their friends or something?

[QUOTE=Contag;32518357]if it's classified as a mental disorder, why not?[/QUOTE] What an extremely bad progression 1. Homosexuality can't be caused by psychological factors! That would make it a mental disorder! [I]---"What if it is caused by psychological factors? You don't know for sure"[/I] 2. But then we'd have to lock everyone up and we can't do that!

[QUOTE=Contag;32518312]Did you know that only gay men have gay sex with underage boys? By [I]definition.[/I] [/QUOTE] Pardon?

[QUOTE=Vasili;32518367]Because being gay is nothing like being a baby raper, at all, nor is having a sexual obsession and lust for inanimate objects, its dumbass statement to link the two together in the same position as those because there is theoretical backing towards it being biological first rather than being a development through psychology. The notion that a heterosexual man can be turned gay through trauma or brainwashing is what you're implying? If so then its got the same amount of proof that you can turn a gay person straight through those infamous religious anti gay camps.[/QUOTE] I recognize that there is no evidence for ex-gay shit, and even if there were, it's really fucking damaging and pointless. But if you go to any site (American Psychological Association, etcetera) they will tell you that homosexuality is most likely a combination of both nature AND nurture.

First, yes, I am gay. It's called sarcasm you 'tards. Every bit of that post should've been taken with a big-fat grain of salt. Tell me what's totally wrong about the post, and we can discuss it. Part of my post contains truth. If you'll excuse the tongue-in-cheek tone. [url]http://www.shaktitechnology.com/gaybrain.htm[/url] The part about dating is also, true. Aids was a joke, and suicide was a joke, partially. Of course it's sociological.

[QUOTE=Contag;32518357]... what If men have sex with men they are not straight. They may call themselves straight, but that is acceptable as people from the Westboro Baptist church calling themselves sane. My point is that arguments against homosexuality are terribly flawed.[/QUOTE] The participation in homosexual acts doesn't make somebody gay. Rape doesn't have to be about sexual attraction. In the priest's case, it was probably about availability. [quote=http://mediamatters.org/blog/201004020028]A second researcher, Karen Terry, also cautioned the bishops against making a correlation between homosexuality in the priesthood and the high incidence of abuse by priests against boys rather than girls -- a ratio found to be about 80-20. "It's important to separate the sexual identity and the behavior," Terry said. "Someone can commit sexual acts that might be of a homosexual nature but not have a homosexual identity." Terry said factors such as greater access to boys is one reason for the skewed ratio. Smith also raised the analogy of prison populations where homosexual behavior is common even though the prisoners are not necessarily homosexuals, or cultures where men are rigidly segregated from women until adulthood, and homosexual activity is accepted and then ceases after marriage.[/quote] But this is a moot point to the topic at hand, so I'm going to drop it.

Talking about psychological factors influencing sexuality and jumping straight to fetishism is extremely narrow-minded. Hell, your personality is determined both from biology and psychology--the whole nature vs. nurture argument--and there's nothing saying that your sexual orientations could be shaped in a similar way. In an ideal world, sexuality could be known from birth, but because it manifests during puberty it makes it so we don't know what causes it, as well a spreading the illusion that it's a choice somehow.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32518388]I recognize that there is no evidence for ex-gay shit, and even if there were, it's really fucking damaging and pointless. But if you go to any site (American Psychological Association, etcetera) they will tell you that homosexuality is most likely a combination of both nature AND nurture.[/QUOTE] Yeah they say that they [I]think[/I] that nature and nurture both play complex roles. They also go on to state that lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders and that research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. So back on my original argument that in no way shape or form is homosexuality on the same level as object sexuality or pedophilia.

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;32518421]Talking about psychological factors influencing sexuality and jumping straight to fetishism is extremely narrow-minded. Hell, your personality is determined both from biology and psychology--the whole nature vs. nurture argument--and there's nothing saying that your sexual orientations could be shaped in a similar way. In an ideal world, sexuality could be known from birth, but because it manifests during puberty it makes it so we don't know what causes it, as well a spreading the illusion that it's a choice somehow.[/QUOTE] +1 Any research of a gay gene has shown up potential, inert, genes and possible biological traits that can manifest themselves fully under the right conditions. It's not a choice in and of itself, but sociologically choice is heavily involved, and this is where many gays forget that. There's very little evidence to support that homosexuals are 'born gay', but it is absolutely not detirmined by psychological behavior alone. The APA describes homosexuality as something determined by biological, pscyhological, and enviornmental factors. On the subject of this participating in sex acts making someone gay bullshit; Sexuality is a preference. Sex is not an act formed by completely unconscious autonomous motivation, consciousness is involved and receives influences from subconscious instincts. It's also a huge ass gray area. It's not impossible for a homosexual to have sex with the opposite sex, (we've done it for years) but by definition, that doesn't make us immediately 'bisexual'.

[QUOTE=Skepsis;32518398]First, yes, I am gay. It's called sarcasm you 'tards. Every bit of that post should've been taken with a big-fat grain of salt. Tell me what's totally wrong about the post, and we can discuss it. Part of my post contains truth. If you'll excuse the tongue-in-cheek tone. [url]http://www.shaktitechnology.com/gaybrain.htm[/url] The part about dating is also, true. Aids was a joke, and suicide was a joke, partially. Of course it's sociological.[/QUOTE] Haven't you learned about sarcasm and the Internet yet? :v Besides, coming onto a debate forum and acting like the exact stereotype we're trying to avoid wasn't the best idea.

Someone telling me, "Hey, that guy's gay." would be equivalent of saying "That bush over there has 325 leaves." When someone I knew expressed their dislike for gays, I just kinda stood there confused. Being a homophobe might be one of the biggest wastes of energy.

[QUOTE=Vasili;32518428]So back on my original argument that in no way shape or form is homosexuality on the same level as object sexuality or pedophilia.[/QUOTE] Mine, on the other hand, was simply that we can't just throw out the idea of psychological factors, something you seemed quite intent on doing originally. Idea for a study: Use a penile erection measurement tool to measure sexual arousal of randomly selected people when exposed to gay porn. Ask if raised in conservative or liberal backgrounds. Interpret results.

If I'm straight and a homosexual grabs my ass for no reason, Am I entitled to sock him a 1-2 to the face?

[QUOTE=BlackCrow;32518459]If I'm straight and a homosexual grabs my ass for no reason, Am I entitled to sock him a 1-2 to the face?[/QUOTE] At least he found you attractive.

[QUOTE=BlackCrow;32518459]If I'm straight and a homosexual grabs my ass for no reason, Am I entitled to sock him a 1-2 to the face?[/QUOTE] Yes, because he's a man. But if it was a woman you couldn't! Societal double standards make no sense.

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;32518472]Yes, because he's a man. But if it was a woman you couldn't! Societal double standards make no sense.[/QUOTE] They do sometimes.

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;32518445]Haven't you learned about sarcasm and the Internet yet? :v Besides, coming onto a debate forum and acting like the exact stereotype we're trying to avoid wasn't the best idea.[/QUOTE] /shrug. Again, this attitude is pretty unanimous on this forum, didn't think it could do any harm, really. Sorry, I have an extremely dry sense of humor. Not articulated in the best manner I guess. e/ Christ, this thread is moving fast. [QUOTE=BlackCrow;32518459]If I'm straight and a homosexual grabs my ass for no reason, Am I entitled to sock him a 1-2 to the face?[/QUOTE] If you ask me, yes. Though I have that attitude about any sort of unnecessary behavior. Regardless of sex or orientation. If you're that sexy though, give it a shot. Maybe we can convert you. :3 We [b]do[/b] have this crazy agenda. I'm not quite sure what it is but we totally have it. Maybe I missed the memo at the last meeting/sex orgy. :v:

[QUOTE=Skepsis;32518398]First, yes, I am gay. It's called sarcasm you 'tards. Every bit of that post should've been taken with a big-fat grain of salt. Tell me what's totally wrong about the post, and we can discuss it. Part of my post contains truth. If you'll excuse the tongue-in-cheek tone. [url]http://www.shaktitechnology.com/gaybrain.htm[/url] The part about dating is also, true. Aids was a joke, and suicide was a joke, partially. Of course it's sociological.[/QUOTE] Which parts of your post was serious? If you want to actually express your opinions and defend homosexuality, you shouldn't use stereotypes as evidence. I literally count one sentence that might be taken seriously in your entire post. And even then I can't tell what the point of your post is other than to demand attention. [QUOTE=Skepsis;32518490]Regardless of sex or orientation. If you're that sexy though, give it a shot. Maybe we can convert you. :3 We [b]do[/b] have this crazy agenda. I'm not quite sure what it is but we totally have it. Maybe I missed the memo at the last meeting/sex orgy. :v:[/QUOTE] This is what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Skepsis;32518490]/shrug. Again, this attitude is pretty unanimous on this forum, didn't think it could do any harm, really. Sorry, I have an extremely dry sense of humor. Not articulated in the best manner I guess. e/ Christ, this thread is moving fast. If you ask me, yes. Though I have that attitude about any sort of unnecessary behavior. Regardless of sex or orientation. If you're that sexy though, give it a shot. Maybe we can convert you. :3 We [b]do[/b] have this crazy agenda. I'm not quite sure what it is but we totally have it. Maybe I missed the memo at the last meeting/sex orgy. :v:[/QUOTE] [quote] [img]http://withfriendship.com/images/h/39315/picture-of-cross-on-a-hill.gif[/img] [/quote] Begone! Homosexual spawn of satan!

Yep, because everything is met to be taken in the utmost sincerity. =p Again, humor wasn't articulated well, forgive me. Evidence is supported to show that we do have brain symmetry close to heterosexual women. We have larger amygdala, which is responsible for some flight or fight responses and emotional learning. As the article explains, facial readings, body language, etc, etc. There are also some statistically based studies showing homosexual males do have larger johnsons, though that's probably because the age old concept of masculinity hasn't escaped us either, therefore it matters more and insecurity still exists heavily. Btw, If you're attempting to white knight for my own causes, forget it. Sorry, I found the thread dumb; therefore shat in it. I snip'd it and since moved on to a more serious tone for you. I'll bury my facetious tones now, promise. I never said my post held seriousness btw, only some elements of theory-based truth and reflections of personal experience laced with completely facetious tones.