[QUOTE=3noneTwo;33929126]You should probably read up on "[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=homosexual+behavior+in+animals]homosexual activity in animals[/url]" sometime. Y'know, give yourself [i]something[/i] other than personal opinion to back yourself up.
Congratulations on recognizing that you are a heterosexual male. You must be proud of this detail. I hope your family raises a statue in your honor, with an engraved gold plaque that reads "He Likes Women."[/QUOTE]
They must be self-aware.
Where the hell did you get that idea?
[editline]or am i[/editline]
Or am I misinterpreting "Self-aware"
Ripple, just because you happen to like women does not nullify any other sexual preference, got ANYTHING to back that one up?
Also, show me how animals only engage in homosexual activities when they are 'desperate'.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;33926990]progress is progress. if people keep trying to convince themselves they're ok with it, eventually they'll succeed[/QUOTE]
Not with today's generation and thinking. Homosexuality is a cancer to them.
I'm cool with the gays, i don't care what another man sticks his penis in or not. However, having holidays and parades for a sexuality is retarded and does little to better the status of gays and how their viewed by society.
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;33932118]I'm cool with the gays, i don't care what another man sticks his penis in or not. However, having holidays and parades for a sexuality is retarded and does little to better the status of gays and how their viewed by society.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I wouldn't say it's retarded. I would merely say they're over embracing their sexual orientation. All sexual orientations should be treated equally, without judgement or different thinking. They should just keep it as is, and just embrace it as something normal.
Dancing around in underwear is promoting absolutely nothing positive. Its the exact opposite actualy.
[QUOTE=Vollybomb;33929433]Where the hell did you get that idea?
[editline]or am i[/editline]
Or am I misinterpreting "Self-aware"[/QUOTE]
"Self-aware" as in "sentient being," in this case meaning "Animals have the ability to make conscious decisions based on their environment, well-being, and current threats if applicable. Animals can display conscious thought, and can display emotion."
It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm just saying this to clear up its meaning for you.
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;33932118]I'm cool with the gays, i don't care what another man sticks his penis in or not. However, having holidays and parades for a sexuality is retarded and does little to better the status of gays and how their viewed by society.[/QUOTE]
I agree that gay pride parades are growing unnecessary in this day and age, perhaps even damaging (in the United States). It had a very valid reason to be a thing in 1969, and the 1970s and 1980s, but after five decades, I think we're growing past the point of what makes the parades valid.
That said, it does keep the old men in Congress and Fox News content with their assumptions that "the gays" are nothing but a bunch of sexual deviants who may or may not need to be "corrected".
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;33932189]Dancing around in underwear is promoting absolutely nothing positive. Its the exact opposite actualy.[/QUOTE]
This stuff is worse
[t]http://slinq.com/gallery/albums/Brighton%20Gay%20Pride%202011/normal_Gay_Pride_2011-08-13_(1)_353.JPG[/t]
I don't see how gay pride is an excuse to wear bondage gear, even if the people wearing it do like bondage. You wouldn't expect to be able to wear this in any other kind of parade, or even in a public place.
Why arent there any female pride parades, need more tit.
[QUOTE=ripple3000;33932433]Why arent there any female pride parades, need more tit.[/QUOTE]
...are you seriously 12?
This has nothing to do with the topic.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;33932923]...are you seriously 12?
This has nothing to do with the topic.[/QUOTE]
Just ignore ripple, he is obviously a troll.
I will agree on that gay parades are becoming too over bloated and that they are nowadays over promoting their sexual orientation, but you must also understand how discriminated against homosexuals have been. If you were a part of a group of people hated and misunderstood by society, you would stand up for your cause as well.
[QUOTE=Jocken300;33934076]I will agree on that gay parades are becoming too over bloated [/QUOTE]
I completely agree. You don't see straight people going out in sexual costumes, or that kind of thing.
If gays ever want to be taken seriously, then we have to present ourselves as what we are: Common people with a different sexual preference, not a bunch of perverted degenerates.
[QUOTE=Jasun;33932399]This stuff is worse
[t]http://slinq.com/gallery/albums/Brighton Gay Pride 2011/normal_Gay_Pride_2011-08-13_(1)_353.JPG[/t]
I don't see how gay pride is an excuse to wear bondage gear, even if the people wearing it do like bondage. You wouldn't expect to be able to wear this in any other kind of parade, or even in a public place.[/QUOTE]
who cares?
that's my actual argument: who cares about shirtless men? why is that a thing that bothers anyone?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33935056]who cares?
that's my actual argument: who cares about shirtless men? why is that a thing that bothers anyone?[/QUOTE]
You're overlooking the [b]bondage gear[/b]. Y'ever heard of a thing called BSDM? :v:
[QUOTE=3noneTwo;33935109]You're overlooking the [b]bondage gear[/b]. Y'ever heard of a thing called BSDM? :v:[/QUOTE]
So what? They're not fucking each other; so long as their genitals aren't exposed I don't really see why anyone should make some huge issue out of it.
It's a parade; straight people do stuff like that at Mardi Gras and Carnival.
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;33932189]Dancing around in underwear is promoting absolutely nothing positive. Its the exact opposite actualy.[/QUOTE]
Only because you think that way. Why do you care if they do that? How is that affecting you in any way?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33935133]So what? They're not fucking each other; so long as their genitals aren't exposed I don't really see why anyone should make some huge issue out of it.
It's a parade; straight people do stuff like that at Mardi Gras and Carnival.[/QUOTE]
You've said this many times, but I'm still not certain what about mardi gras or carnival makes them exclusive to heterosexuals.
Either way that certainly isn't an expressed purpose. There just should not be pride parades. They are more detrimental to gays nowadays than they are useful.
really, there shouldn't be parades or "pride" surrounding any supposedly inherent traits. That's ridiculous.
its just that events like mardi gras are not considered the parade representative of straight sexuality
marching about almost nude at an event used to represent gay sexuality is a terrible way to try and increase acceptance, especially since most opposition is in the highly religious/aged groups
gay pride parades should focus on rights and acceptance, and not be a cluster bag to show off other 'deviant' sexual behavior
[editline]28th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]
really, there shouldn't be parades or "pride" surrounding any supposedly inherent traits. That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
pride parades as an idea are about acceptance and increasing public knowledge of what homosexuality actually is
which is why including fetishes is a terrible idea
[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]You've said this many times, but I'm still not certain what about mardi gras or carnival makes them exclusive to heterosexuals.[/QUOTE]
they don't need to be exclusive to heterosexuals for them to involve prominent displays of heterosexuality.
[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]Either way that certainly isn't an expressed purpose. There just should not be pride parades. They are more detrimental to gays nowadays than they are useful.[/QUOTE]
how do you know this? (hint, you don't. you don't actually know that they're more harmful than beneficial)
[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]really, there shouldn't be parades or "pride" surrounding any supposedly inherent traits. That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
maybe in a perfect world, yes, but right now, pride movements exist to serve as counters to the shaming and prejudice that predominates the public sphere. They serve a purpose.
[editline]28th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bletotum;33935299]its just that events like mardi gras are not considered the parade representative of straight sexuality[/QUOTE]
that's because of how ingrained heteronormative attitudes are into most people's psyches. displays of heterosexuality more explicit than anything you'd see in a pride parade are everywhere in our society and media but very few people actually notice this comparison because that's what's "normal" and "acceptable" to us.
[editline]28th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bletotum;33935299]
pride parades as an idea are about acceptance and increasing public knowledge of what homosexuality actually is
which is why including fetishes is a terrible idea[/QUOTE]
except this won't fucking work because pride parades are supposed to be about tolerance and acceptance and you're not doing a very good job of tolerating and accepting people if you prohibit a dude from joining in because he wants to wear a pair of chaps or whatever.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33936577]
except this won't fucking work because pride parades are supposed to be about tolerance and acceptance and you're not doing a very good job of tolerating and accepting people if you prohibit a dude from joining in because he wants to wear a pair of chaps or whatever.[/QUOTE]
i'm not sure what you're arguing, I agree with you
but i'm saying that raising tolerance among bigots is a tricky thing
[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]You've said this many times, but I'm still not certain what about mardi gras or carnival makes them exclusive to heterosexuals.
Either way that certainly isn't an expressed purpose. There just should not be pride parades. They are more detrimental to gays nowadays than they are useful.
really, there shouldn't be parades or "pride" surrounding any supposedly inherent traits. That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
why not? what if they like parading?
[editline]28th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chaplin;33935028] You don't see straight people going out in sexual costumes, or that kind of thing.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been to a beach? you know, where straight women wear what is basically just underwear? straight people dress up sexually all the time.
I went to the pride parade in Brighton and guess what? it FUCKING OWNED. suck it breeders
[editline]28th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33915384]I never said gay, I said transvestite and transgender. Crossdressers are a type of transgenders.[/QUOTE]
transvestitism and transgenderism are completely different you moron
-gayyY!
[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]You've said this many times, but I'm still not certain what about mardi gras or carnival makes them exclusive to heterosexuals.
Either way that certainly isn't an expressed purpose. There just should not be pride parades. They are more detrimental to gays nowadays than they are useful.
really, there shouldn't be parades or "pride" surrounding any supposedly inherent traits. That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever thought people who are uncomfortable with the concept of pride parades such as yourself are the reason there are pride parades in the first place? ...
That's what I had stated before. The homosexual community should be embracing it in a way that doesn't infringe on anyone else's point of view on them. It just creates a bad image for them. They should take it casually instead of over embracing it. They parades to show that nothing will bother them is okay, it's just not okay to push it to the point in which it almost seems like they're pushing it in people's faces.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33936577]they don't need to be exclusive to heterosexuals for them to involve prominent displays of heterosexuality.[/QUOTE]
No they don't but there's an important difference. Pride parades are created for the expressed purpose of displaying homosexuality. mardi gras and carnival are just celebrations. They are not a good contrast for pride parades. I can't think of anything that is, honestly.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33936577]how do you know this? (hint, you don't. you don't actually know that they're more harmful than beneficial)[/QUOTE]
Of course I can't say for certain, and you can't say the opposite is true either. However, I think this section and this thread have successfully proven that this is all opinion.
Fact means nothing here, people only bring them up when they think it supports their argument, and they're often wrong. This entire thread is to get one group to change their opinion to the opinions of another, not to establish facts. Even then, most of the topics of this thread can't be factually proven anyway, at least not yet.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33936577]maybe in a perfect world, yes, but right now, pride movements exist to serve as counters to the shaming and prejudice that predominates the public sphere. They serve a purpose.[/QUOTE]
I believe that nowadays the events themselves are more shameful than anything else. The time for which they had any purpose is ending, if it isn't over already.
[editline]28th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=a203xi;33940410]Have you ever thought people who are uncomfortable with the concept of pride parades such as yourself are the reason there are pride parades in the first place? ...[/QUOTE]
I try not to be wrong.
So that would be a no.
I don't have a problem with "Homosexuals," I just don't like it when they're all up in my face about it thinking I hate them or something.
why should gay people or any other marginalised minority have to selfcensor in order to pander to the current fashionable prejudices?
when a straight couple go out in bondage gear during mardis gras they're seen as harmless eccentrics, when a gay couple do it at a gay pride event they're seen as deviants
the point of pride parades is to promote equality of gays, not mere "acceptance". to implicitly tolerate that double-standard in the name of appeasement is self defeating.
[QUOTE=limulus54;33942227]
I believe that nowadays the events themselves are more shameful than anything else. The time for which they had any purpose is ending, if it isn't over already.[/QUOTE]
"over already?" wrong wrong wrong
29 states still don't have laws protecting homosexuals from employment discrimination, 37 states don't have laws protecting homosexuals from housing discrimination, in 30 states same-sex couples can't adopt, and they still can't marry in 44 states.
you're objectively wrong on the "already over" angle, that's not a matter of opinion
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