Gays - Seriously, what's wrong about them? - General

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33942601]"over already?" wrong wrong wrong 29 states still don't have laws protecting homosexuals from employment discrimination, 37 states don't have laws protecting homosexuals from housing discrimination, in 30 states same-sex couples can't adopt, and they still can't marry in 44 states. you're objectively wrong on the "already over" angle, that's not a matter of opinion[/QUOTE] Pride parades exist to bring about social change, they are not intended to change legislature, and they never will.

[QUOTE=limulus54;33943433]Pride parades exist to bring about social change, they are not intended to change legislature, and they never will.[/QUOTE] thats just dumb of course its to change legislature social change brings about new legislature, when dealing with rights [editline]28th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=limulus54;33942227]No they don't but there's an important difference. Pride parades are created for the expressed purpose of displaying homosexuality. mardi gras and carnival are just celebrations. They are not a good contrast for pride parades. I can't think of anything that is, honestly.[/QUOTE] while it isn't a 1:1 analogy, there is no purpose for an exclusively straight parade, since it is viewed as the 'normal' sexuality. events akin to gay pride festivals are comprised in majority by straight individuals, and gay pride festivals by gay individuals. [quote=limulus54;33942227] I try not to be wrong. So that would be a no.[/QUOTE] good job. "i'm right because i'm right" [editline]28th December 2011[/editline] if thats how you're going to debate you need to leave

[QUOTE=limulus54;33943433]Pride parades exist to bring about social change, they are not intended to change legislature, and they never will.[/QUOTE] Social change will bring about social acceptance of homosexuality. Social acceptance will lead to political pressure to change laws banning something that is perfectly acceptable.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;33943749] good job. "i'm right because i'm right" [editline]28th December 2011[/editline] if thats how you're going to debate you need to leave[/QUOTE] Given the number of people told to leave, at this rate everyone will have to leave. Fine by me. [editline]28th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;33943877]Social change will bring about social acceptance of homosexuality. Social acceptance will lead to political pressure to change laws banning something that is perfectly acceptable.[/QUOTE] and at least part of the point I was attempting to make earlier is that pride parades will do none of these things.

[QUOTE=limulus54;33943916]Given the number of people told to leave, at this rate everyone will have to leave. Fine by me.[/QUOTE] everyone not supporting their claims which includes you if your disappearance from this thread is fine by you, why stay?

[QUOTE=limulus54;33943433]Pride parades exist to bring about social change, they are not intended to change legislature, and they never will.[/QUOTE] social change begets political change [editline]28th December 2011[/editline] and society still needs to change so yr. point still would have been moot anyway

[QUOTE=ripple3000;33929353]They must be self-aware.[/QUOTE] Just throwing it out there, bottlenose dolphins have been shown to be self-aware, and display homosexual activity.

[QUOTE=ripple3000;33927127]Animals only fuck other males if they're desperate, if they're alone they fap. The point of mating is to carry on the species.[/QUOTE] You don't know jackshit about animal mating rituals

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;33948997]bottlenose dolphins have been shown to be self-aware[/QUOTE] I demand you post your source! -Nevermind! I found some myself!-

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;33957456]I demand you post your source! -Nevermind! I found some myself!-[/QUOTE] Dolphins can recognise themselves in mirrors.

I have a massive family, and a few of them (about 6 or 7) are gay/lesbian. Either way they are still the same person. Im not gay myself. The thing is, the people saying that there is something wrong with gays are wrong, how does it affect them? It didnt affect my family, so why should it affect you.

And just to offer a religious side to the argument.. Maybe heterosexuality is God's answer to the impending overpopulation of the world. I've always been fascinated by the idea that God might be working in such a way to slow down the growth of the human species. This explains pretty much any argument against homosexuality, and offers an acceptable divine reasoning for such. I can feel the flames already :p

speaking of God, which bible verses actually say homosexuality is bad?

[QUOTE=MrWhite;33991604]And just to offer a religious side to the argument.. Maybe heterosexuality is God's answer to the impending overpopulation of the world. I've always been fascinated by the idea that God might be working in such a way to slow down the growth of the human species. This explains pretty much any argument against homosexuality, and offers an acceptable divine reasoning for such. I can feel the flames already :p[/QUOTE] See now, if you read the posts I made before, you'd know that homosexuality actually helps increase fertility.

[QUOTE=fluke42;33992626]See now, if you read the posts I made before, you'd know that homosexuality actually helps increase fertility.[/QUOTE] except you never accounted for lesbians. So it wouldn't increase fertility. [editline]31st December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DuncanFrost;33939863]I went to the pride parade in Brighton and guess what? it FUCKING OWNED. suck it breeders [editline]28th December 2011[/editline] transvestitism and transgenderism are completely different you moron[/QUOTE] sorry, what is the difference?

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33992689]except you never accounted for lesbians. So it wouldn't increase fertility. [editline]31st December 2011[/editline] sorry, what is the difference?[/QUOTE] But I did, if you look back at my post. The increase in fertility affects both male and female.

sorry, can you reiterate? if both mating pools decreased, then how would there be more competition?

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33993103]sorry, can you reiterate? if both mating pools decreased, then how would there be more competition?[/QUOTE] with less females, males increase in potency, and females, with less males, become more fertile.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33992498]speaking of God, which bible verses actually say homosexuality is bad?[/QUOTE] Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 do a good job at it. I would like to note that I'm not a big supporter of the complete literal translation of the bible into everyday life. Yes, there are many verses in the Bible that are best taken verbatim, but there are easily just as many that clearly mean something else, and several verses that should be thrown out entirely.

[QUOTE=MrWhite;33993228]Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 do a good job at it. I would like to note that I'm not a big supporter of the complete literal translation of the bible into everyday life. Yes, there are many verses in the Bible that are best taken verbatim, but there are easily just as many that clearly mean something else, and several verses that should be thrown out entirely.[/QUOTE] this is the exact thing that christians are criticized for, they pick and choose which bible verses to follow

[QUOTE=wlzshroom;33993287]this is the exact thing that christians are criticized for, they pick and choose which bible verses to follow[/QUOTE] Well if they didn't there would be much much more public stoning.

Now hold on just a minute there. I'm not at all picking and choosing which verses to follow here. I'm just trying to decipher the meaning intended for the verses, as it's clear that not all of the bible is intended for literal translation. Anyway, as I value the current debate and do not want this to degrade into a religion war, i vote we all Get back on the right track [T]http://cdn3.hark.com/images/000/084/845/84845/original.[/T]

[QUOTE=limulus54;33935281]I'm still not certain what about mardi gras or carnival makes them exclusive to heterosexuals.[/QUOTE] Pride parades are not exclusive to LGBT individuals, straight people go to them all the time. You're more than welcome to.

My opinion on gay people: They are just people who want to live their life, nothing is wrong with them at all. Thats pretty much all that matters in my opinion.

[QUOTE=fluke42;33993173]with less females, males increase in potency, and females, with less males, become more fertile.[/QUOTE] except that would only work if one group shrank significantly more. If they both shrink about the same amount, there will be no change. That's like saying people were more fertile during the black death simply because so many people died.

My opinion is: They are just like everyone else. Sure they are slightly different but everyone is a little different in every way. So in all they should be treated just the same as straight people do. For example the right to marry.....

While a lot of people legitimately believe in LGBTI rights, and fight for them - these people are socially associated as upper-class forward thinkers, and a lot of people have taken to voicing opinions they dont even understand just so they can hope to associate themselves with these forward thinkers with almost redundant tactics. This is generally called "bleeding heart" or "dumbshit" liberalism - and it's common for one to preach to the preached in efforts to associate themselves with the class i describe - and not the homophobes who are mostly viewed as intolerant red-neck scum in society's eye. That being said i beleive Gender, Sexuality ect. are traits that someone is born with - It's a biological variable, but with other i guess it can be an obtained trait from their upbringing. Connecting this back to my first statement - When i say I do not believe in the LGBTI community as a political entity outside of obtaining their personal freedoms is generally seen as me being a homophobic by "dumbshit" liberalists - while i am the opposite. For example, a governmental decision by the Russian government allowed a certain change in the Natural Gas industry to do with zoning of their facilities. Seen in the news was among the protesters a group of individuals holding the LGBTI flag - IE meaning "The LGBTI community supports this protest". In my opinion the actions of that few essentially generalised the entire LGBTI population and made them open to political attack. I'm not 100% educated in these matters, but I think having a Flag and a political faction makes Homosexuality more than a biological variable and a lifestyle choice - Those who wish to be active in the LGBTI faction for political freedoms should not have their faction encompass the entire population, that being my opinion.

I don't have a problem with two guys wanting to be a couple and all that. I find it perfectly fine. WHAT I CAN'T FUCKING STAND! Is the fuckers who sit there, force it down my gullet and have their damned ass gay parade and all this public bullshit. If you want to do things behind closed doors, fucking go for it, don't put it into the public you pieces of shit. I don't go outside with ladies and have incredibly passionate loud sex in the middle of the park or in the mall do I? No, so fucking stop forcing your bullshit on me. They should be able to have the legal marriage bonuses however marriage is a religious service and action thus isn't up to law dictation anyway.

[QUOTE=The one that is;34003019]I don't have a problem with two guys wanting to be a couple and all that. I find it perfectly fine. WHAT I CAN'T FUCKING STAND! Is the fuckers who sit there, force it down my gullet and have their damned ass gay parade and all this public bullshit. If you want to do things behind closed doors, fucking go for it, don't put it into the public you pieces of shit. I don't go outside with ladies and have incredibly passionate loud sex in the middle of the park or in the mall do I? [/QUOTE] neither do gays. you're making shit up [QUOTE=The one that is;34003019]No, so fucking stop forcing your bullshit on me.[/QUOTE] maybe heterosexuals should stop forcing their heterosexuality on all the gays through all the sexualized and heteronormative advertising and TV and movies instead? just take a moment and imagine that you're a homosexual and you might start to realize just how incessantly society forces it's heterosexuality into your gay face and if that fails you can always just close your eyes when a gay shows up. then you won't be forced to see anything. [QUOTE=The one that is;34003019]They should be able to have the legal marriage bonuses however marriage is a religious service and action thus isn't up to law dictation anyway.[/QUOTE] so atheists can't get married?

[QUOTE=Jasun;33932399]This stuff is worse [t]http://slinq.com/gallery/albums/Brighton%20Gay%20Pride%202011/normal_Gay_Pride_2011-08-13_(1)_353.JPG[/t] I don't see how gay pride is an excuse to wear bondage gear, even if the people wearing it do like bondage. You wouldn't expect to be able to wear this in any other kind of parade, or even in a public place.[/QUOTE] this is because a gay's brain forms differently from a normal person's brain - it makes them do strange things, act strange - and most importantly, damages evolution because they don't procreate.