Gays - Seriously, what's wrong about them? - General

[QUOTE=-Matt-94;34090236]I believe men marrying each other is a violation of nature and god's will.[/QUOTE] If nature had a will do you really think it would have created a bunch of creatures intent on destroying it?

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;34090602]If nature had a will do you really think it would have created a bunch of creatures intent on destroying it?[/QUOTE] That's like asking why my ass is dripping brown diarrhea.

[QUOTE=-Matt-94;34090646]That's like asking why my ass is dripping brown diarrhea.[/QUOTE] Get out

I just don't know why people are bothered by this, why does it matter to you about what other people do with their personal lives? It's almost like people have to have a thing in their lives that they hate just to feel better about themselves. Like, jeez, why can't everybody just get along? Oh and, try to ignore matt, he's just a troll that has survived a long time, look at his ban history.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;34089962] [quote]The majority defines degeneracy and flamboyance. It's also the issue of majority has freedom of comfortable inconsistancy. There is a boundary of deviation that the standard heterosexual can leave and still be a moral person. Since the homosexual is already a deviant however, they are expected to maintain the vestiges of their morality if they wish to argue their position as "normal." Rights regardless, if somehow society could be convienently engineered to allow the reverse, the "feared wanton" heterosexual would be barbaric and cavemannish, grabbing members of the opposite cohort for sole reasons of pleasure and sustenance and an inexplicable social structure that defines gender roles. As such, their "Terrible married life" would be suspect to legal blocks and outrage, even if it truely makes the wives happy and the husbands prosperous.[/quote] this post is gibberish am i supposed to read it upside down or something [b]He is saying that the majority of the population gives definition to what is considered flamboyant or degenerate. He is saying that straight people have a little room to be against the norm, a.k.a fetishes and the like. But then he says that because homosexuals are already so against what a majority of people consider normal, there is little to no room to deviate from the absolute moral and good person they would need to be in order to be accepted by society. He goes on to give an example of the opposite of societies current views, explaining what would happen if heterosexuals were considered the social deviants that homosexuals are.[/b] [editline]6th January 2012[/editline] whats the point of saying this unless yr. trying to be a pedant? [b]He isn't trying to be a pedant, he's giving his view of the problem and what needs to happen. Just because you're either too ignorant or dumb to understand what he's written doesn't mean he's a 'pedant'.[/b] you're really, like, not using a lot of words correctly here. step yr verbosity back a bit dogg [b]Now you're just being simple[/b][/QUOTE] To everyone else having difficulty understanding Ivan, no he is not arguing against homosexuality. He is trying to explain the problem and put it into perspective, from a point of view considering society's problems. [editline]7th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;34089160]Really? So in your view there are [I]just too many[/I] 'flamboyant homosexuals' and the like to afford giving them fair treatment?[/QUOTE] He's explaining the problems society has with homosexuality. It's an observation, not his personal views.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;34090723]To everyone else having difficulty understanding Ivan, no he is not arguing against homosexuality. He is trying to explain the problem and put it into perspective, from a point of view considering society's problems.[/quote] You can't sway people arguing from a position of willful ignorance (not Ivan, anti-homosexual activists) with reason. Like I said, no reason to pander to bigots. There wasn't one during segregation and there isn't one now.

I would treat gays like any other human being. I mean, its their choice.

[QUOTE=-Matt-94;34090236]I believe men marrying each other is a violation of nature and god's will.[/QUOTE] Get out. I should be able to marry if I want to.

[QUOTE=TomZa;34091903]I would treat gays like any other human being. I mean, [b]its their choice[/b].[/QUOTE] nope

[QUOTE=Jasun;34092264]nope[/QUOTE] ^ I've tried to crush on women but it just doesn't work.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34087503]I like how you tried to make it seem like you just didn't like openly sexual people, but then took a jab at homosexuals [I]specifically[/I] anyway. [editline]6th January 2012[/editline] Additionally, have you ever actually met anyone like this? Unless the exchange you're imagining is: A homosexual person mentions it once, you through a hissy fit because they had the audacity to mention it, and then you categorize him as 'openly gay and thus annoying'.[/QUOTE] Yes i have and i still know the guy, though he's mellowed out now. (He's been my friend for many years and at the time only recently came out), But average conversations about anything, be it food, clothes, cars, games litterally anything, he would make a quip remark that he liked or did not like something because he was gay, because in case you did not know he's gay now. A few of his boyfriends have been exactly the same as he was, But his current partner is absolutly fine, he may make the odd joke or 2 but his sexuality does not rule ever single conversation.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;34092869]Yes i have and i still know the guy, though he's mellowed out now. (He's been my friend for many years and at the time only recently came out), But average conversations about anything, be it food, clothes, cars, games litterally anything, he would make a quip remark that he liked or did not like something because he was gay, because in case you did not know he's gay now. A few of his boyfriends have been exactly the same as he was, But his current partner is absolutly fine, he may make the odd joke or 2 but his sexuality does not rule ever single conversation.[/QUOTE] But you must understand that person in particular is/was probably very insecure, and you shouldn't base your views on homosexuality based on that one person.

Homosexual men who are [B]overly[/B] flamboyant I absolutely do not agree with (just because they're annoying) Like this... [IMG]http://oi43.tinypic.com/2nrixxj.jpg[/IMG] But generally homosexuals aren't 'in your face practically having sex in front of you' like some straight people think There are homosexuals who don't portray the stereotypes, but sadly that's how gays catch straight people's attention, when they are noticeably flamboyant

I personally can't stand flamboyant people.

[QUOTE=TomZa;34091903]I would treat gays like any other human being. I mean, its their choice.[/QUOTE] We don't choose to be gay. Who would? Why would anyone willingly choose do something with their life that is shunned by the rest of the society? Who wants to be treated as a lesser being compared to the rest of the world? I'm glad you treat us the same any other being, but please don't call it a choice.

[QUOTE=Kaarristu;34096243]Homosexual men who are [B]overly[/B] flamboyant I absolutely do not agree with (just because they're annoying) Like this... [IMG]http://oi43.tinypic.com/2nrixxj.jpg[/IMG] But generally homosexuals aren't 'in your face practically having sex in front of you' like some straight people think There are homosexuals who don't portray the stereotypes, but sadly that's how gays catch straight people's attention, when they are noticeably flamboyant[/QUOTE] yeah fuck them for being who they are that's like saying people should not be allowed to be shy just because

No it's not

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;34097861]yeah fuck them for being who they are that's like saying people should not be allowed to be shy just because[/QUOTE]There's a difference between being who you are and being overtly proud of who you are - or, even more superficially and to the point, one aspect of who you are. We laugh at Arians, Black Panthers, and similar groups for this very reason. It's also why I can't stand "Bronies", as they are, seemingly, compelled to bring MLP into everything. Sure, be who you are, but don't push it in the faces of everyone around you.

[QUOTE=Notta;34098872] Black Panthers, [/QUOTE] haha yeah those civil rights activists sure are hilarious!

[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;34099133]haha yeah those civil rights activists sure are hilarious![/QUOTE]Oh and when they started morphing into a corrupt militant organization? Ha! That part brought me to tears!

[QUOTE=Jaistar2k22;34081950]I'm not saying you don't but once again in the context of warfare, lets say were both in a skirmish with some insurgents. I run out of ammunition. You pass me a clip. I might not be thinking or shooting straight because I don't know if you have dickhands or not. I'm going to be thinking about what you did before this started. You don't have to lack sanitation or care, but what if you were in a rush. What if this skirmish started right as you were jerking someone off. Would you stop to wash your hands first? Logically no, and thats why I support don't ask don't tell. Because American troops don't need to die worrying about their squadmates hands or sexuality. Anything else is ok. I'm not a homophobe, get married, have your own little neighborhoods and parades, I just don't want it around me or my family or on TV in music, printed, taught or really talked about outside of adult circles. But do what makes you happy that's what life is all about! I really don't know if your born that way or not, I just heard Lady Gaga say it but I assume you have to be since honestly if I could switch and suck dick for hundreds to thousands of dollars as an escort or do a man without puking I'd probably do it without blinking. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling or something" - PLing))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Jeez, I don't know why you would have a problem with sanitary conditions regarding penises considering you're a giant dickhead. So it shouldn't really be much different for you should it? Anyways, I don't see the big deal. Some people act as if gay people somehow are different in such a way that they don't fit into our "straight" mental stature. It just goes to show that people really can't view it from a gay person's perspective. It's not really hard though, because some of you say, "I hate the gay people that are so open and out there!" What about the obnoxious straight couples that constantly flaunt their stupid relationships and shit out in public. You seem to act as if gay's just go out into the park and fuck each other. I've seen more straight couples do that then gays.

I dont believe in simply labelling them as gays... I have many friends that are homosexual, I treat them like all my other friends... I laugh at and with them in a day-to-day friendly way... I also know some homosexuals that I don't get on with due to mere personality clashes, and if I say something offensive, I'm not being homophobic, I simply don't like that individual.

[QUOTE=Kaarristu;34096243]Like this... [IMG]http://oi43.tinypic.com/2nrixxj.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Someone tell me what is overly flamboyant about this picture. I don't like the in-your-face gays either, but I get more ticked off by the "Gay Pride Parade" types rather than a guy making a funny face.

[QUOTE=Razors X Hunter;34099998]I dont believe in simply labelling them as gays... I have many friends that are homosexual, I treat them like all my other friends... I laugh at and with them in a day-to-day friendly way... I also know some homosexuals that I don't get on with due to mere personality clashes, and if I say something offensive, I'm not being homophobic, I simply don't like that individual.[/QUOTE] I hate using words like "gay" as nouns instead of adjectives - "gays", "jews", "blacks", whatever, it should be "gay people", "jewish people", "black people" or else it just sounds insensitive, like their sexuality or race or religion somehow overrides their status as human.

[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;34100926]Someone tell me what is overly flamboyant about this picture. I don't like the in-your-face gays either, but I get more ticked off by the "Gay Pride Parade" types rather than a guy making a funny face.[/QUOTE] Just imagine him with a lisp / et cetera, quit being so analytical

[QUOTE=Jaistar2k22;34081950]I'm not saying you don't but once again in the context of warfare, lets say were both in a skirmish with some insurgents. I run out of ammunition. You pass me a clip. I might not be thinking or shooting straight because I don't know if you have dickhands or not. I'm going to be thinking about what you did before this started. You don't have to lack sanitation or care, but what if you were in a rush. What if this skirmish started right as you were jerking someone off. Would you stop to wash your hands first? Logically no, and thats why I support don't ask don't tell. Because American troops don't need to die worrying about their squadmates hands or sexuality. Anything else is ok. I'm not a homophobe, get married, have your own little neighborhoods and parades, I just don't want it around me or my family or on TV in music, printed, taught or really talked about outside of adult circles. But do what makes you happy that's what life is all about! I really don't know if your born that way or not, I just heard Lady Gaga say it but I assume you have to be since honestly if I could switch and suck dick for hundreds to thousands of dollars as an escort or do a man without puking I'd probably do it without blinking. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling or something" - PLing))[/highlight][/QUOTE] By that logic, you also be distracted by a bachelor soldier, after all, we all know single men masturbate more, they might have touched their penis!. Also what if they dare use the toilet before a skirmish starts, who knows if they have washed hands. I am sorry but "dont know what they have touched" is a VERY weak reason for wanting DADT back. even discounting sexuality, there is plenty of reasons that would keep someone who would be worried about that, worried.

I'd personally rather be like "Oh, I may be indirectly touching a penis." Than "OH GOD THERE'S SHIT ALL OVER MY HANDS."

I believe it is a misguided idea that society can just simply change views of gay people in one foul swoop. Right or wrong it takes time and some people just need to understand that.

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;34105052]I believe it is a misguided idea that society can just simply change views of gay people in one foul swoop. Right or wrong it takes time and some people just need to understand that.[/QUOTE] At first I thought you were talking about changing gays, then I read it a bit closer. Society has had thousands of years, it's about time that they accept gays.

[QUOTE=Kaarristu;34101433]Just imagine him with a lisp / et cetera, quit being so analytical[/QUOTE] I'm being overly analytical? You're the one imagining a voice for him. :v: Besides, if the man in that picture is being flamboyantly gay, I shouldn't have to analyze it to come to that conclusion anyway.