[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34404094]Laws that defend people's rights? What has this nation come too, where people have rights to defend!!!![/QUOTE]
you sir, are unnecessarily inclined to believe that I disagree with you.
I was not saying defending such rights is wrong. I'm pretty neutral on that, I'm just correcting someone.
[QUOTE=limulus54;34408847]you sir, are unnecessarily inclined to believe that I disagree with you.
I was not saying defending such rights is wrong. I'm pretty neutral on that, I'm just correcting someone.[/QUOTE]
sorry, you seemed to be implying that those laws were bad. My fault for interpreting wrong.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34394884]No. Fascism is an extreme form of nationalism, where minorities are discriminated against and considered subhuman, and generally "degenerative" to the nation. Democracy is rule by the people. It has nothing to do with oppressing the minorities. I do not know about Germany, but here in America we have a Bill of Rights that defends the rights of everyone, including minorities.[/QUOTE]
Democracy is rule of the people right. If the people want to exterminate inorities, for example gays,
that is DEMOCRATIC. Also your marxist view on the world is as absolute and universally valid
as the view of a muslim or national socialist.
[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34419185]Democracy is rule of the people right. If the people want to exterminate inorities, for example gays,
that is DEMOCRATIC. Also your marxist view on the world is as absolute and universally valid
as the view of a muslim or national socialist.[/QUOTE]
if democracy allows this then democracy fails
democracy is popular in more civilised countries because it has frequently shown to lead to greater moral goodness. it should not be confused for moral goodness itself.
people's wills are fickle things and it's trivial to make people into sociopathic monsters if you know how.
[editline]27th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reviized;34395518]Interesting thread going on here guys, I have seen a lot of views expressed on the idea of homosexuality and its origin and its effects on society at large. However, what I don't understand is the authority many posters appeal to when attempting to make a point. Like how I view many politicians, I hate it when someone weighs in on an issue that they have no idea about, or if they attempt to draw on uncommon information without some sort of basis for it's authenticity. I am not asking for a specific study but from what I can tell is that many here do not like homosexuality because its a choice or a psychological condition or perhaps even a biological factor yet with no idea why it might be so or any insight into the issue. Is being gay a choice? I say no. Is it a psychological condition? I say no as well. Homosexuality I am sure within a shadow of a doubt a genetic mutation within alleles that are dissimilar in heterosexual individuals, no specific gene or set of genes has been found to date as a sexual preference selector, but homosexuality is observed in nature with anywhere from 10% to 33% of a population exhibiting homosexual or bisexual behavior dependent on species. Other biological factors may also be present such as brain structure and prenatal proteins. But from a withdrawn view of the world, there isn't really a right or a wrong, thus I can't really find much wrong with it, and an appeal to religion as a basis for it being wrong is just foolish, so I say do what ever the hell you want(within that of the law of course, keeps you out of jail), its only natural.
And if you want a source for the statistics, just look on wikipedia(yes I know, the dreaded unscholarly wikipedia) there is an interesting page on sexual preferences and genetic studies relating to it.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be so quick to entirely attribute homosexuality to a "gay gene" since as far as I know, the issue is still unresolved.
great post btw
[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34419185]Democracy is rule of the people right. If the people want to exterminate inorities, for example gays,
that is DEMOCRATIC. Also your marxist view on the world is as absolute and universally valid
as the view of a muslim or national socialist.[/QUOTE]
No, any good democracy has a constitution to protect people. Democracy is not supposed to be used by the majority to suppress the minority. The only reason democracies have majority rule is because if 100% vote was required, nothing would ever get done. Now about Marxism:
1. I am not a Marxist.
2. Supporting human rights is not Marxist, it's just plain logical.
3. The views of muslims, national socialists, and marxists are all valid view points. Glad we can agree on something.
there's no reason to participate in this thread if you guys are going to keep responding to trolls
also its the same people every time
[editline]28th January 2012[/editline]
stop
[QUOTE=Bawbag;34397953] I don't need to know your sexuality.[/QUOTE] But that way, you can help me find some cute guy somewhere. Even if you're not consciously looking, knowing what someone else likes does tend to point others out to you as possible matches.
[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34419185]Democracy is rule of the people right. If the people want to exterminate inorities, for example gays,
that is DEMOCRATIC. Also your marxist view on the world is as absolute and universally valid
as the view of a muslim or national socialist.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you have just proven why democracy is a dysfunctional system of government. You've also proven why no country in the world actually employs democracy, despite everyone simply referring to republics/parliamentary systems as "democracies".
Furthermore, I find your posts in conjunction with where you live absolutely hilarious and I hope you continue.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34439009]Congratulations, you have just proven why democracy is a dysfunctional system of government. You've also proven why no country in the world actually employs democracy, despite everyone simply referring to republics/parliamentary systems as "democracies".
Furthermore, I find your posts in conjunction with where you live absolutely hilarious and I hope you continue.[/QUOTE]
I know. He may be a troll, but he is actually pretty funny.
The only time I have a problem with gays, is when they talk like a faggot.
[QUOTE=Rob Markia;34440557]The only time I have a problem with gays, is when they talk like a fgt.[/QUOTE]
First off, learn to spell, secondly, some of us (myself not included) can't help not talking that way, they can't control the lisp.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34439285]I know. He may be a troll, but he is actually pretty funny.[/QUOTE]
Off course I can be funny, but it is my point, you self-declared hunter of trolls.
But underestimate me and laugh about for your sake.
Same mistake Hitlers enemies did - until
they got their one-way ticket to industrial-death.
[QUOTE=Kellerbewohner;34441472]Off course I can be funny, but it is my point, you self-declared hunter of trolls.
But underestimate me and laugh about for your sake.
Same mistake Hitlers enemies did - until
they got their one-way ticket to industrial-death.[/QUOTE]
except all you do iis make your self look even sillier.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;34266521]You think all gay people flaunt around the fact they like dick?
Its equally annoying when a straight man doesn't shut up about how he wants to tear some woman's pussy up.[/QUOTE]
well to be honest i have a bisexual (more gay) friend who always posts about fucking a guy more then a guy would about a girl
i mean yeah it's great to show your sexuality preference but it doesn't really give you the right to spam my god damn news feed with kind of weird shit
[img]http://image.yaymicro.com/rz_512x512/0/181/male-and-female-fingers-touching-181022.jpg[/img]
Doesn't exactly work, does it?
Don't make me mention how the baby comes out
[QUOTE=Jim Harbaugh;34442268][img]http://image.yaymicro.com/rz_512x512/0/181/male-and-female-fingers-touching-181022.jpg[/img]
Doesn't exactly work, does it?
Don't make me mention how the baby comes out[/QUOTE]
This.
[sp]Makes no sense. At all.[/sp]
no problem with them
[QUOTE=Jim Harbaugh;34442268][img]http://image.yaymicro.com/rz_512x512/0/181/male-and-female-fingers-touching-181022.jpg[/img]
Doesn't exactly work, does it?
Don't make me mention how the baby comes out[/QUOTE]
Because that's the plan *every* time people have sex. Make babies.
I dislike all the hate directed to gay people. Enough said.
I dislike all the hate directed to homophobes.
But we recently linked homophobia to stupidity, why do they deserve our pity?
[QUOTE=fluke42;34461370]But we recently linked homophobia to stupidity, why do they deserve our pity?[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=Tibbolax;34461316]I dislike all the hate directed to homophobes.[/QUOTE]
To put it simply, to hate me with that much force makes you my enemy, I do not pity my enemy, for sooner or later they will be crushed beneath my boot heel.
[QUOTE=Tibbolax;34461316]I dislike all the hate directed to homophobes.[/QUOTE]
I dislike all the hate towards homosexuals.
[QUOTE=fluke42;34461370]But we recently linked homophobia to stupidity, why do they deserve our pity?[/QUOTE]
stupidity isn't a choice
Note you can still be stupid, and not be an asshole.
There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, but there is definitely something wrong with how gays are depicted in todays society.
It seems that somehow, having sexual(or romantic)relationships with the same sex should net you all kinds of benefits, like being able to get married in a church system that vilifies homosexuality, being able to adopt children, and some huge sanctions for people who just don't like you and your gay ways.
Somewhere these are all realities by now, and sexual discrimination is starting to get same kinds of sentences as racism, gays aren't even different than anyone else, isn't that what the rainbow flag is all about?
I wish people would just realize equality, and not thrive for dominance.
[QUOTE=Kelju;34464897]There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, but there is definitely something wrong with how gays are depicted in todays society.
It seems that somehow, having sexual(or romantic)relationships with the same sex should net you all kinds of benefits, like being able to get married in a church system that vilifies homosexuality, being able to adopt children, and some huge sanctions for people who just don't like you and your gay ways.
Somewhere these are all realities by now, and sexual discrimination is starting to get same kinds of sentences as racism, gays aren't even different than anyone else, isn't that what the rainbow flag is all about?
I wish people would just realize equality, and not thrive for dominance.[/QUOTE]
Except that homosexuals aren't vying for dominance, they're pushing for equality. Being able to get married in any church isn't a 'benefit', and neither is being able to adopt, because straight couples can do both of those things.
[QUOTE=Kelju;34464897]like being able to get married in a church system that vilifies homosexuality,[/QUOTE]
This is literally my only actual gripe with homosexuals. It is a weird topic, because to talk about it in a thread like this, it makes me come off as homophobic, when in fact I'm probably just anti-marriage.
The thing is, when marriage happens in a church, it has all sorts of associations and relations to the religion of the church. So to me, if you're getting married in a church, then it is completely up to the church whether or not they want to marry you or not. They are allowed to be as homophobic and intolerant as they want, because marriage is [I](or should be)[/I] just a service that the church offers, not one that they are required to give.
Somehow, marriage has been tangled into legal and state business, which is, I guess, why homosexuals wants in on it. Marriage needs to be completely seperated from the church and from religion before homosexual marriage would make sense.
Until then, homosexual marriage would be about two gay guys walking into a house full of people that want them to burn in hell and being married under that very religion.
Also, if marriage and religion was fully seperated, the religious nuts would have absolutely no arguments against homosexual marriage.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34465291]Except that homosexuals aren't vying for dominance, they're pushing for equality. Being able to get married in any church isn't a 'benefit', and neither is being able to adopt, because straight couples can do both of those things.[/QUOTE]
Dominance, okay.. Well, what would you call it then? If you try to forcibly by law, change a religious system to accept things that they don't want to... ok.
Did you also know that a woman and a man can make a baby?
A woman cannot make a baby with another woman, neither can a man with another man.
Thus, it seems pretty logical to me that gays should not be able to adopt a child.
About straight couples who can't have a child because of some reason, they still have the necessary parts to do it, even if they don't work.
It's not about discrimination, it's more about giving the child a natural environment to grow up.
You know, a mommy and a daddy.
Would you have grown up to be the charming young fellow that you are, if you were raised by two persons of the same sex? Would you become biased towards homosexuality? Thus breaking the natural order of things and not reproducing for the sake of pleasure?
WOULD YOU!
Lol, jk :D Imho I don't give a fuck about shit.
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