• If there's a lobby group to get Omar Khadr acquitted, let's fucking join it.
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[QUOTE=archangel125;24217154] So killing the soldiers of an enemy country in a combat zone suddenly makes you a murderer? Sickening. [/QUOTE] Here's the other quote you ordered.
[QUOTE=Cuel;24217752]he was 15 when the event occured, does that matter ?[/QUOTE] to be honest I think that anyone that murders someone should be tried as an adult unless they're 12 years of age or younger; gangs rampant in the United States have members as young as 15 or 14; "kids" still know what they're doing at that age. They're stupid, yes, but they know full well the consequences of their actions and should be punished appropriately.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217154]That's the kid who was fifteen when he threw a grenade that killed a US soldier. He's on trial in the USA at the moment, having being charged with murder. So killing the soldiers of an enemy country in a combat zone suddenly makes you a murderer? Sickening. He should be treated as a prisoner of war and not as a criminal. Fuck the US Military for charging him with a crime. And that's all I've got to say about that.[/QUOTE] He killed a US soldier. Nuff said, fuck the kid. Should have thought about the consequences when he threw it. Should be executed. And the US Military says fuck you too, maple leaf.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;24217819]There's the quote.[/QUOTE] Right. Because "It's okay to kill foreign soldiers in war" equals ""Okay we're at war. No laws exist. Kill everybody and rape everybody you find and you won't have to worry about going to prison." 1+1=6 much?
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217863]Right. Because "It's okay to kill foreign soldiers in war" equals ""Okay we're at war. No laws exist. Kill everybody and rape everybody you find and you won't have to worry about going to prison." 1+1=6 much?[/QUOTE] Open Season in Enemy War Zones = No Laws Exist, Do What You Want. 1+1=2
[QUOTE=Metzgemeist;24217854]He killed a US soldier. Nuff said, fuck the kid. Should have thought about the consequences when he threw it. Should be executed.[/QUOTE] You're a fucking idiot. Every US soldier who has ever killed an enemy soldier or civilian from another country should be deported to that country to face trial for murder. If Omar Khadr should be executed, so should all of them.
don't even try to tell me that a 15 year old doesn't understand death and killing and what he was doing he deserves to be put on trial
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217792]I challenge you to find that quote anywhere in anything I've written. No, that's what YOU are saying. I'm saying that it's open season on foreign soldiers in a war zone.[/QUOTE] So this CANADIAN kid was in AFGHANISTAN and threw a GRENADE and KILLED someone? If he was Afghani I could see him being charged as a POW, but he's FUCKING CANADIAN! Therefore, what he did was murder, being a citizen of one of America's primary allies. For instance, if America were to invade Poland, and I was there on vacation, just because my background is Polish doesn't mean I have the right to kill an American soldier. I'm a Canadian citizen; I am a citizen of one of America's primary allies, and killing an American soldier is not Guerrilla Warfare if it's not in my country. It doesn't matter my background, it matters my citizenship.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217888]You're a fucking idiot. Every US soldier who has ever killed an enemy soldier or civilian from another country should be deported to that country to face trial for murder. If Omar Khadr should be executed, so should all of them.[/QUOTE] I think it's called... "war"
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;24217886]Open Season in Enemy War Zones = No Laws Exist, Do What You Want. 1+1=2[/QUOTE] Uh, no. Killing soldiers does not equal rape, pillaging, and killing anyone you like. You are not logical. [editline]04:57PM[/editline] [QUOTE=W00tbeer1;24217924]I think it's called... "war"[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying. It's fucking war. Omar Khadr threw that grenade. A US soldier died. It's fucking war. Let's not even get started on all the chopper gunners and fighter pilots from the USA who have slain thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians since this war began.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217213]Then let's charge every single goddamn American soldier with a confirmed kill with 1st Degree Murder as well. It's only fair.[/QUOTE] So if a soldier is fired upon and defends himself he is automatically a murderer?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24217912]So this CANADIAN kid was in AFGHANISTAN and threw a GRENADE and KILLED someone? If he was Afghani I could see him being charged as a POW, but he's FUCKING CANADIAN! Therefore, what he did was murder, being a citizen of one of America's primary allies. For instance, if America were to invade Poland, and I was there on vacation, just because my background is Polish doesn't mean I have the right to kill an American soldier. I'm a Canadian citizen; I am a citizen of one of America's primary allies, and killing an American soldier is not Guerrilla Warfare if it's not in my country. It doesn't matter my background, it matters my citizenship.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217925]Uh, no. Killing soldiers does not equal rape, pillaging, and killing anyone you like. You are not logical. [editline]04:57PM[/editline] That's what I'm saying. It's fucking war. Omar Khadr threw that grenade. A US soldier died. It's fucking war.[/QUOTE] I'm going to say 'i declare war on everyone' at a UN council meeting and then kill all of the leaders of all of the countries and then say, 'It was war wtf do u except omg'
the op is actually from the middle east that is why he is pissed off about this
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217888]You're a fucking idiot. Every US soldier who has ever killed an enemy soldier or civilian from another country should be deported to that country to face trial for murder. If Omar Khadr should be executed, so should all of them.[/QUOTE] It's called war, and it's a situation where people die regardless. By that logic the US, Britain, or Canada or any other allied power should have deported every single one of their fighting men that killed a German/Jap/Italian soldier in WW2, that is fucking asinine. War isn't a fucking game.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24217154]So killing the soldiers of an enemy country in a combat zone suddenly makes you a murderer? Sickening. [b]He should be treated as a prisoner of war and not as a criminal.[/b] Fuck the US Military for charging him with a crime.[/QUOTE] You make it sound as if those are mutually exclusive.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24217912]So this CANADIAN kid was in AFGHANISTAN and threw a GRENADE and KILLED someone? If he was Afghani I could see him being charged as a POW, but he's FUCKING CANADIAN! Therefore, what he did was murder, being a citizen of one of America's primary allies. For instance, if America were to invade Poland, and I was there on vacation, just because my background is Polish doesn't mean I have the right to kill an American soldier. I'm a Canadian citizen; I am a citizen of one of America's primary allies, and killing an American soldier is not Guerrilla Warfare if it's not in my country. It doesn't matter my background, it matters my citizenship.[/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly.
[QUOTE=InChoFace;24217996]the op is actually from the middle east that is why he is pissed off about this[/QUOTE] Right. Because according to you the people in the Middle East are only considered human by other people who used to live there, right? FYI, I'm not from the Middle East, I'm from India but I lived in the Middle East, and I'm a proud Canadian now. Are you one of those hicks who thinks they exist for target practice? All the women and children there, too?
[QUOTE=InChoFace;24217996]the op is actually from the middle east that is why he is pissed off about this[/QUOTE] No, he's pissed because he's got a pseudointellectual angsty teen mentality.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;24218054]No, he's pissed because he's got a pseudointellectual angsty teen mentality.[/QUOTE] Maybe my anger has affected my ability to articulate my statement. Invade a country, you get an insurgency. The insurgents should be considered combatants, not criminals. When you go to war, you expect your own soldiers to die. That's what war's all about. What, do you think the enemy is going to stand in a nice neat line waving their weapons around so you can see and shoot them? They don't have tanks. They don't have fighter jets or helicopters. They don't have night vision, thermal imaging, satellite uplinks, artillery firebases, or guided missiles. They have RPGs and AK-47s. They employ hit and run tactics because those are the only tactics that will work. H&I, Harrass and Interdict. It's in every special forces handbook in the world. You don't act all surprised when one of them finally gets lucky and kills one of your guys. If he's captured, you don't charge him like a common criminal. You treat him as a prisoner of war. The actions of the USA disgust me. Let's say China invaded your country, destroyed the national guard. Millions of Americans own guns. If one killed a Chinese soldier, should he be deported to China and charged with murder? What if Canadians came down to the USA to help you fight? Should a Canadian who killed a Chinese soldier be deported to China and charged with murder? Same story, different names. Think about it.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24217912]So this CANADIAN kid was in AFGHANISTAN and threw a GRENADE and KILLED someone? If he was Afghani I could see him being charged as a POW, but he's FUCKING CANADIAN! Therefore, what he did was murder, being a citizen of one of America's primary allies. For instance, if America were to invade Poland, and I was there on vacation, just because my background is Polish doesn't mean I have the right to kill an American soldier. I'm a Canadian citizen; I am a citizen of one of America's primary allies, and killing an American soldier is not Guerrilla Warfare if it's not in my country. It doesn't matter my background, it matters my citizenship.[/QUOTE] Did you completely miss this statement? It's not insurgency when it's not his country, it's murder, and he should be tried as such.
If the kid was an Afghan citizen and the US military was infringing upon his family's home and such, then he would be justified to do this as an act of war, and it would not be murder but simply another horrid act of war. [b]However[/b], if the actual circumstances are that the soldiers showed no initial aggression to him or his direct property or wellbeing, and he is not a citizen of the country that was being invaded, this is simply foul murder and no more. The insurgents who think the US and the coalition is doing their country harm by being there who aren't members of the Taliban and are fighting as a haphazard force aren't murderers. This kid is a murderer, though, and not an insurgent, as he is a Canadian national and could go back home if he needed to; it isn't his war.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24217912]So this CANADIAN kid was in AFGHANISTAN and threw a GRENADE and KILLED someone? If he was Afghani I could see him being charged as a POW, but he's FUCKING CANADIAN! Therefore, what he did was murder, being a citizen of one of America's primary allies. For instance, if America were to invade Poland, and I was there on vacation, just because my background is Polish doesn't mean I have the right to kill an American soldier. I'm a Canadian citizen; I am a citizen of one of America's primary allies, and killing an American soldier is not Guerrilla Warfare if it's not in my country. It doesn't matter my background, it matters my citizenship.[/QUOTE] Im not Canadian but this^ However I do welcome our maple producing, friendly hat. :tiphat:
[QUOTE=archangel125;24218179]Maybe my anger has affected my ability to articulate my statement. Invade a country, you get an insurgency. The insurgents should be considered combatants, not criminals. When you go to war, you expect your own soldiers to die. That's what war's all about. What, do you think the enemy is going to stand in a nice neat line waving their weapons around so you can see and shoot them? They don't have tanks. They don't have fighter jets or helicopters. They don't have night vision, thermal imaging, satellite uplinks, artillery firebases, or guided missiles. They have RPGs and AK-47s. They employ hit and run tactics because those are the only tactics that will work. H&I, Harrass and Interdict. It's in every special forces handbook in the world. You don't act all surprised when one of them finally gets lucky and kills one of your guys. If he's captured, you don't charge him like a common criminal. You treat him as a prisoner of war.[/QUOTE] I think you're ignoring the simple fact that this kid is a Canadian born citizen; therefore, he is bound by his country's laws and political allies. If he fired at American soldiers while in Afghanistan, he was firing at his [I]country's allies [/I]- regardless of his political belief. As a canadian he was actively fighting against his own country's interest, making him guilty of treason. In court he and his lawyers are attempting to get recognition for the breaching of his rights as a Canadian (ie the canadian govt refusing to recognize he's a minor, if I remember correctly); well, what I say is [B]this shit goes both ways. You can't expect to be treated first as a POW and NOT a citizen of Canada and then be treated a citizen of Canada with all of the rights that go along with it.[/B]
[QUOTE=archangel125;24218179]Maybe my anger has affected my ability to articulate my statement. Invade a country, you get an insurgency. The insurgents should be considered combatants, not criminals. When you go to war, you expect your own soldiers to die. That's what war's all about. What, do you think the enemy is going to stand in a nice neat line waving their weapons around so you can see and shoot them? They don't have tanks. They don't have fighter jets or helicopters. They don't have night vision, thermal imaging, satellite uplinks, artillery firebases, or guided missiles. They have RPGs and AK-47s. They employ hit and run tactics because those are the only tactics that will work. H&I, Harrass and Interdict. It's in every special forces handbook in the world. You don't act all surprised when one of them finally gets lucky and kills one of your guys. If he's captured, you don't charge him like a common criminal. You treat him as a prisoner of war.[/QUOTE] God fucking christ. 'Hey guys lets all take it down a notch, we have satellite uplinks' What the fuck are you trying to say? That people who kill other people aren't murderers? And that POW and Criminal are exclusive? Seriously what the fuck. He's a criminal. And a POW. In fact he's a POW for committing a crime, by your logic.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;24218322]I think you're ignoring the simple fact that this kid is a Canadian born citizen; therefore, he is bound by his country's laws and political allies. If he fired at American soldiers while in Afghanistan, he was firing at his [I]country's allies [/I]- regardless of his political belief. As a canadian he was actively fighting against his own country's interest, making him guilty of treason. In court he and his lawyers are attempting to get recognition for the breaching of his rights as a Canadian (ie the canadian govt refusing to recognize he's a minor, if I remember correctly); well, what I say is [B]this shit goes both ways. You can't expect to be treated first as a POW and NOT a citizen of Canada and then be treated a citizen of Canada with all of the rights that go along with it.[/B][/QUOTE] Touche. Your legal definition in this is right, at least. [editline]05:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sickle;24218337]God fucking christ. 'Hey guys lets all take it down a notch, we have satellite uplinks' What the fuck are you trying to say? That people who kill other people aren't murderers? And that POW and Criminal are exclusive? Seriously what the fuck. He's a criminal. And a POW. In fact he's a POW for committing a crime, by your logic.[/QUOTE] Sickle obviously doesn't know what a Prisoner of War is.
[QUOTE=archangel125;24218179]The actions of the USA disgust me. Let's say China invaded your country, destroyed the national guard. Millions of Americans own guns. If one killed a Chinese soldier, should he be deported to China and charged with murder? What if Canadians came down to the USA to help you fight? Should a Canadian who killed a Chinese soldier be deported to China and charged with murder? Same story, different names. Think about it.[/QUOTE] He is a CANADIAN CITIZEN. Do you not even [I]think [/I]of what you're saying? This story doesn't even make fucking sense, it's different than the situation at hand. Let's say a Chinese boy came over and shot at a chinese soldier while here FOR THE CAUSE OF THE AMERICANS! Would I expect the Chinese government to deport his fucking ass and try him in court? Of course I would. Say it's one of China's allies, like a Korean. Yep, I'd expect the same.
You can't attack a country when you're a citizen of that country's ally, and except to get away with it.
[QUOTE=Sickle;24218504]You can't attack a country when you're a citizen of that country's ally, and except to get away with it.[/QUOTE] You can't attack anyone and expect to get away with it.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;24218590]You can't attack anyone and expect to get away with it.[/QUOTE] Unless you're america.
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