(Destiny) The Skeptic Community on YouTube are Just Fence-Sitting Cowards - General

Isn't this the same guy who let mister metokur school him on Mexico in a debate, eventually making Destiny imply bombing Mexico would be a good idea? [URL]https://youtu.be/WYyZKaSiZlw?t=51m8s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52495806]every time i see one of your posts, they're like, 10,000 words long yet somehow manage to convey less meaning than the back of a cereal box it's honestly baffling how you can use so much text but say so very little seriously, what is the point of any of this post, other than ironically setting up an enormous strawman or weak man[/QUOTE] At least our other king of long, somewhat pointless posts, makes weird fantasies about whatever his multi-page essay is about rather than just ranting about "the left" or whatever. Destiny has presentation issues, sure. But he's not a formal debater, he does this shit in the middle of him playing games for the shits and giggles and still routinely manages to stomp the "sceptics" who actually think they can argue their garbage. For someone who spends all day playing games he's generally actually pretty clued up on whatever topic he's debating or discussing. He gets somewhat cocky and careless when "debating" with certain people like NakedApe because they're actually just garbage human beings and getting them mad is a reward in it's own right.

[QUOTE=space1;52495901]Isn't this the same guy who let mister metokur school him on Mexico in a debate, eventually making Destiny say such dumb things as "we should bomb Mexico"??? *one sec, trying to find a timestamp[/QUOTE] Nope, once again misquoted. If you look at the context he said nothing about "bombing mexico" he obviously meant that we should take the money we use in wars and use it to help mexico. Then idiots thought that means directly bomb mexico. People should use just a little common sense and realize that he meant money, time, effort, manpower.

Oh my god I didn't know taking stances like conservatives would on some topics and taking stances like liberals would on other topics is called sitting on a fence and not taking any position on any issue. Also "our god Jordan Peterson". Yeah you wanna make a point you better not hide it under a mountain of strawmen.

if by "unloaded on him" you mean "blamed him for his best friends suicide" yeah you totally got it that "destiny just doesn't understand the youtube algorithm" shit is fucking pathetic. You can make a lot of money off of an audience of a million people. If you have that audience, you have access to a resource that barely anyone in the world has. That doesn't mean you have to. That doesn't mean you even necessarily should. But to say as someone with access to that resource that blue collar jobs are just fine and people love working them when you will [B]never[/B] be in a position where you'll be forced to work one is disgusting. add onto that fuckwits like egoraptor chirping about how being an artist is so much harder than manual labor and everyone buying into this retarded narrative that Destiny is trying to attack animation itself, he had every fucking right to be pissed off

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52496179] I haven't cared about destiny since the argument he had with Skye where destiny was arguing that there's nothing wrong with basically being a softcore porn streamer on twitch, then invites heaps of people to dogpile Skye.[/QUOTE] There's literally nothing wrong with that tho. Your content will probably be shitty and shallow, but there's nothing morally "wrong" about it. and what do you mean heaps of people? IIRC at most there were 5 people in there at once, with someone in there backing sky as well.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52494388]How is anyone supposed to take [U][I]you[/I][/U] seriously when you criticize someone for criticizing someone else when you yourself didn't even bring any proof to the table? Even this person you accuse of strawmaning is doing that. Sargon "I wouldn't even rape you, twitter is oppressing me by banning me for sending gay porn to people I don't like" being a lying dipshit who doesn't even read his own sources isn't a fucking strawman. There are hours upon hours of videos on Youtube dissecting and documenting every single bit of bullshit the skeptic community spews out like clockwork, you could spend the better part of the day watching it and you wouldn't even be anywhere near close to getting the breadth of it. It's a well documented fact and people like armored skeptic are well aware of that when they're fucking endorsing and openly associating themselves silver tongued dipshits like sargon. Suggested viewing: Shaun and jen, Hhomberguy[/QUOTE] Taking [u][i]me[/i][/u] seriously might be the most stupid thing you'd ever do. I am a random stranger on the internet, you don't know me in real life, and my opinions most aren't educated enough to be taken seriously. I also have no idea what proof you want to see. Proof that Destiny is a drooling retard baby? The proof is in the OP, watch the video maybe, I don't know.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52496249]he had every fucking right to be pissed off[/QUOTE] i know i'm just repeating myself here, but seriously, this justification only ever causes problems. yes, it's understandable why destiny was pissed, but he shouldn't let that get the best of him, and at least [I]try[/I] to compose himself and explain his views in a way that doesn't disparage whoever he's arguing against (as deserved as it is), otherwise they and, probably more importantly, their fans and supporters won't listen and just get frustrated or angry, which will probably make destiny even more frustrated or angry, and then we all forget about it for a while until it's brought up again a few months later, and usually nothing changes, and mostly just gets worse.

i agreed with him but he put his argument in a very mean way and i dont like that and it hurt my feelings also did you hear he said something about something else that was wrong once

I remember watching Sargons Pewdiepie video and the dude was comparing Trump to PDP and talking about how brave trump was for taking on the media like no there are actual reasons to shit on Trump, like being the leader of the free world and [del]genuinely being on trial for fucking [B]actual treason[/B][/del] months mixed up

[QUOTE=J!NX;52496606]I remember watching Sargons Pewdiepie video and the dude was comparing Trump to PDP and talking about how brave trump was for taking on the media like no there are actual reasons to shit on Trump, like being the leader of the free world and genuinely being on trial for fucking [B]actual treason[/B][/QUOTE] Pewdiepie's "scandal" was in February. Unless you're saying Sargon should have made a video about Trump being on trial for reason, [B]in February[/B], I don't know what you're trying to say.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52496644]Pewdiepie's "scandal" was in February. Unless you're saying Sargon should have made a video about Trump being on trial for reason, in February, I don't know what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE] I watched it more recently so fair enough :v: even still, trumps whole parading against the media is at the very least out of genuine narcissism and the dude commonly has actual twitter shit-posting sprees. Apparently shit posting over the internet and crying 'fake news' is a good thing though

[QUOTE=J!NX;52496651]I watched it more recently so fair enough :v: even still, trumps whole parading against the media is at the very least out of genuine narcissism and the dude commonly has actual twitter shit-posting sprees. Apparently shit posting over the internet and crying 'fake news' is a good thing though[/QUOTE] You're talking about two things here. Trump's disregard of certain media and shitposting on twitter. Trump's disregard for the media is a result of the biggest media smear campaign that happened so far. All kinds of Hollywood stars were invited to talkshows to talk shit about Trump and his supporters. The news channels instead of reporting what Trump did were having "specialists" talking on and on how terrible and immoral he is. They punched, trying to tell people what to think and he punched back. I'm not happy about it, I think it's really fucking dangerous, but they started playing this game and lost. And I'm not even justifying him, his behavior is completely unacceptable for a president. However don't act like the media were fair to him and suddenly, out of the blue he decided he's going to call "fake news" every media that airs negative reports about him. It's a double edged sword that missed the first swing and came back. As for shitposting there is no explanation for that other than being immature.

[QUOTE=Wii60;52494492]pretty much any time you actually debate him on anything that isnt a video based service he demands you skype him to debate him so he can upload the vod on youtube for view cash [url]https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aomnidestiny%20skype&src=typd[/url] this video is probably a deliberate piece of bait.[/QUOTE] [img]https://narry.land/efU4sL.png[/img] :thinking:

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52497054]i dont remember saying there was anything wrong with shitting out content, implying that their arguments are invalid because they dont wanna shit out low quality content is dumb havent watched the vod in a while but i remember there were like 4 people all taking the side of "its aight to be softcore porn on twitch" basically shitting out point after point expecting him to answer every single one and constantly interrupting him when he tried to hes probably better at "debating" now but back then he did highschool argument tactics and it was awful to watch[/QUOTE] Nah, what I was saying is that that's what'd likely be the output of being a softcore porn streamer, but that doesn't make it "wrong" or anything. Most don't even last long because of that actually, the tits get people in, but unless they have something else to offer typically they drop pretty quickly in viewers and donations iirc.

Youtube was a mistake.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52494388] Suggested viewing: Shaun and jen, Hhomberguy[/QUOTE] Ugh, even hbomberguy is a walking strawman. Sure he makes decent video game videos(some of them are also absolutely bonkers), but he doesn't know anything about politics and should stay away from them.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52498228]the problem is they were generally faking ignorance since it was against the sites policies to allow it. even ignoring kaceytron and a few others as an outlier that did it legitimately ironically (though still against twitch TOS with a lot of the shit they did) there were streamers that were flatout purposefully showing near (and in some cases full) nudity, going "oops teehee" and continuing. it was incredibly disingenuous and malicious of them since they knew their target audience was confused kids jacking their parents credit cards. when you want to argue morals, which in a lot of cases destiny basis his arguments around, you cant argue that because its "morally subjective" that it isnt a talking point around his character, that hed defend women being vultures to edgy kids that wanna see some t&a instead of doing that on websites that are meant for it. a major part of his character and biases were shown and i disagreed with them so wholeheartedly that i basically ignored him after that, because like me and many others there are subjects we wont budge on, and being disingenuous like that is one of them for me. and imo informing people of these views and biases is fair, whether they consider them important or not is up to them. doesnt mean his opinion is worthless altogether on everything he says, but its enough to make me constantly doubt him.[/QUOTE] I don't get how take your disagreement to = him being disingenuous? The thing is I don't really see what's particular about people using their body to get viewers and donations and other people who use gimmicks and stuff like humour. They're providing some form of entertainment and people are coming. Kids shouldn't be jacking their parent's credit cards to donate to any streamer. Fuck, they shouldn't even be on twitch in the first place de jure if we're talking twitch TOS violations. The TOS say that if you are 13-18 years old, you can only use twitch with parental supervision and approval. I don't even necessarily buy that their audience are primarily kids, though what we define as "kid" will vary. I think by 16 you disqualify and should be responsible enough to not drool your family's bank account away and barring extreme circumstances you are fully to blame for blowing your money on something stupid.

[media]https://twitter.com/theneedledrop/status/882450135212601345[/media] destiny says a lot of dumb things too

The whole vegan gains debate really is worth watching because it was honestly hilarious what destiny was willing to go to to defend the sanctity of the social contract and be "logically consistent." He seemingly agreed with vegans that what we do with animals is unacceptable under most ethical systems but didn't want to give up meat so he had to come up with some very weird psychopathic shit to try to argue around that. Vegan gains began to push the right points by the end that it's not so black and white whether it is established/establishable or not (animals will form a bond) but he never quite went for the kill with it which is unfortunate.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52496552]i know i'm just repeating myself here, but seriously, this justification only ever causes problems. yes, it's understandable why destiny was pissed, but he shouldn't let that get the best of him, and at least [I]try[/I] to compose himself and explain his views in a way that doesn't disparage whoever he's arguing against (as deserved as it is), otherwise they and, probably more importantly, their fans and supporters won't listen and just get frustrated or angry, which will probably make destiny even more frustrated or angry, and then we all forget about it for a while until it's brought up again a few months later, and usually nothing changes, and mostly just gets worse.[/QUOTE] "He should just not get angry so other people don't get angry" Yeah no, if you're going with this argument that he should just compose himself then the exact same applies to people getting angry at him.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52499568]The whole vegan gains debate really is worth watching because it was honestly hilarious what destiny was willing to go to to defend the sanctity of the social contract and be "logically consistent." He seemingly agreed with vegans that what we do with animals is unacceptable under most ethical systems but didn't want to give up meat so he had to come up with some very weird psychopathic shit to try to argue around that. Vegan gains began to push the right points by the end that it's not so black and white whether it is established/establishable or not (animals will form a bond) but he never quite went for the kill with it which is unfortunate.[/QUOTE] This is why it's impossible to have a public discussion about morality, nobody actually cares about having a logically consistent moral framework. People just think whatever they feel is wrong is wrong. The problem with Vegangains' position is that it's entirely subjective. It hinges on the axiom "sentient beings suffering is bad", but completely fails to define what sentience is. Where you draw the line where animal life is aware enough for causing it 'suffering' to be considered a moral wrong is completely arbitrary. If some outside force were to come to earth, and if it were to us as we are to plants or bacteria, it could just as easily say we aren't self aware enough for harming us to be considered a moral wrong. That's the problem with that moral framework. Its foundation is ultimately based on a feeling, not a measurable quality. On the other hand, the framework presented by Destiny, while offering absolutely no protection to life below a certain level of cognitive ability, offers protection to everything above a specific baseline. It essentially means that anyone and anything capable of respecting others' rights is entitled to have its rights respected in turn. And yeah, under a framework like that, if there was in theory some tribe of crazed murderers who were so warped that they could never be capable of respecting the rights of other human beings, it wouldn't be immoral to kill them. The problem is that if you try to build a consistent moral framework, you're probably going to come up with something that either obligates you to do things you shouldn't do or doesn't obligate you to do things you think you should. Having a fit because someone is arguing in favor of a consistent moral system that they believe is the most practical available without offering any alternative other than "just don't care so much about not being a hypocrite" is fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=elowin;52499608]"He should just not get angry so other people don't get angry" Yeah no, if you're going with this argument that he should just compose himself then the exact same applies to people getting angry at him.[/QUOTE] sorry if i didn't make this clear dawg, but they should too, i think everyone should, but if they can't or won't, that doesn't mean he should start throwing insults back at them. Even if whoever he's arguing with won't listen, there's still the people in the audience that will, which won't be all of them, but enough to make an effort. i also think being calm and respectful has a chance of building a much less toxic and more open-minded fanbase, but that's debatable.

'every opinion i dont like is a strawman' the thread

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52501819]'every opinion i dont like is a strawman' the thread[/QUOTE] I think you'll have to elaborate on that or else your post means nothing.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52501819]'every opinion i dont like is a strawman' the thread[/QUOTE] How many layers of irony is this post on?

All I see in that video is 2 pimples in Youtube's ass. While the skeptic community tends to be bad by itself, Destiny is just not any better with his smug prickish way of dealing with almost everything, and his fanbase is just as worse. Any community that gets its knack for calling others retards and causing/enabling youtube or twitch drama are a guaranteed red flag of bullshit you should avoid.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52499735]The problem with Vegangains' position is that it's entirely subjective. It hinges on the axiom "sentient beings suffering is bad", but completely fails to define what sentience is. Where you draw the line where animal life is aware enough for causing it 'suffering' to be considered a moral wrong is completely arbitrary. If some outside force were to come to earth, and if it were to us as we are to plants or bacteria, it could just as easily say we aren't self aware enough for harming us to be considered a moral wrong. That's the problem with that moral framework. Its foundation is ultimately based on a feeling, not a measurable quality.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's a problem with attempting to call yourself objective. Everyone draws their own line of how many, what kind and for what reason other living organism it's moral to kill.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;52501944]How many layers of irony is this post on?[/QUOTE] you are like a little baby watch this

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52503906]you are like a little baby watch this[/QUOTE] every fart-sniffing person in this thread relies on ad-hominem attacks and fallacies to get their point across don't believe me? the number of people who shit out false causes and the number of times farts are sniffed correlates perfectly, therefor everyone in this thread is a fart sniffer. Honestly, why do fart sniffers commit so many fallacies, such as the dreadful "begging the question" fallacy? there are so many people, like me, who ask these questions and believe that a lot of these fart-sniffers are just bandwagoning so they can't be wrong. even if you ignore how right I am, by fallacies alone you can tell that they're wrong, they're no middle ground. it's either black or white; even nature says so. Animals don't even commit fallacies, so nature even disagrees with these fart-sniffers. honestly we should start to do something about this fallacy epidemic before people start sniffing each others farts. Eventually satan will rise from hell and force us to ride on his slippery slope to hell. but honestly if it comes down think we can come to some sort of middle ground. i would be fine with labeling these fart-sniffers as fart wafters and they could commit all the fallacies they want on tuesday.