The official questions Thread v. NOT ANOTHER AR!!!11ONEONE!!! - General

[QUOTE=Mooee;28288323]This is a very good and just question, and not one that I don't think a lot of people think about. Mostly cost, the guns themselves are usually more expensive and on top of that you have the reoccurring price of refilling the gas. I might add, your post quality is very good. [b]Edit:[/b] Wow, I did not see the next page... Ninja'd by like 5 hours.[/QUOTE] Probably because I've never tried the sport, and don't know a lot about it. So, I view it with an outside perspective. It does seem like a lot of fun. I've done paintballing once, but what I disliked was the immaturity of the players in the field. I was 16 at the time, and most of the people playing where too. But they screamed profanities, randomly shot the ground/air, and there was zero tactics. Just duck and cover, and shoot with your gun over the wall, instead of yourself. And whenever I tried to get a few people to make a tactical maneuver, I was laughed at. The shooting was fun, the rest of it sucked. Oh, and the weapons we got were cheap, and didn't fire hard, nor very far, so you felt like using a small catapult, shooting in arcs rather than a gun. Thanks for the compliment. :3::h:

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28294564]Probably because I've never tried the sport, and don't know a lot about it. So, I view it with an outside perspective. It does seem like a lot of fun. I've done paintballing once, but what I disliked was the immaturity of the players in the field. I was 16 at the time, and most of the people playing where too. But they screamed profanities, randomly shot the ground/air, and there was zero tactics. Just duck and cover, and shoot with your gun over the wall, instead of yourself. And whenever I tried to get a few people to make a tactical maneuver, I was laughed at. The shooting was fun, the rest of it sucked.[/QUOTE] Yup, sounds like generic paintballers.

Yeah, airsoft generally fixes all of those problems you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;28300751]Yeah, airsoft generally fixes all of those problems you mentioned.[/QUOTE] Unless you have a former paintballer who thinks it's cool to have an M4 with no stock, a 4 inch barrel, a Cmag and an 11.1 Lipo.

Well, all and all, I can officially say that the Airsoft subforum here, is tons more friendly than the paintball forum I used to be on. (Seriously, I said I was new, and the first 9 posts or so were all 'LOL N00B u suck'.) Anyway, another question. How many times in Airsoft does it occur where a player shoots another player from just a few feet away. I've been hit in the gut from that distance once, and I had quite a wound. (It hit my shirt, with nothing further underneath, aside skin.) And does it hurt as much as a paintball?

People try to avoid such close shooting, and usually will call for your surrender. Most fields have a minimum engagement range of say about 15 - 20 feet. Anything closer, and the first person to ask for the others surrender gets the kill. If the other person goes for their gun after you call for their surrender, you can shoot them though. While its rare, it does happen on occasion. Not nearly enough to really be a problem, though. [editline]sadf[/editline] 1000th post!

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28301433]Well, all and all, I can officially say that the Airsoft subforum here, is tons more friendly than the paintball forum I used to be on. (Seriously, I said I was new, and the first 9 posts or so were all 'LOL N00B u suck'.)[/quote] :buddy: [QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28301433] Anyway, another question. How many times in Airsoft does it occur where a player shoots another player from just a few feet away. I've been hit in the gut from that distance once, and I had quite a wound. (It hit my shirt, with nothing further underneath, aside skin.) And does it hurt as much as a paintball?[/QUOTE] BBs aren't really designed to hurt; they're generally just strong enough to make you absolutely sure you've been hit. A lot of fields and local games prefer players to just do "surrender kills" or melee kills underneath an arbitrary distance of 10 feet or so - since the whole game works on an honor system anyway, this usually works out. BBs tend to leave small welts on skin for a few hours. Depending on the distance and velocity, a BB could feel as light as a harmless "thwack" or as severe as a wasp sting. Usually you won't feel any pain because of the adrenaline, you'll just instinctively think "oh shit something hit me" and hopefully call yourself out. This is also why fields have minimum engagement regulations based on FPS - if you have a cranked up gas rifle shooting 2 joules, the only fields that do let you play will require you to stay far, far away from the action.

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That's a load of my mind then. I felt that paintball in my gut for weeks on end. The player didn't even apologize. He just said that it was a 'war wound'. I wonder if he would think the same if I planted the barrel of my gun in his eyesocket and fired a few rounds, the smug bastard. Anyway, more questions, because I'm sincerely interested in the sport/tech. I understand a hop-up is a little rubber nudge inside the barrel, and is supposed to give the BB a top-spin. Does anyone ever adjust these hop-ups in mid-game. I've seen many weapons that require to be pulled apart, or need some tiny tool, or stuff like that.

Players adjust the hop-up mid game all the time and most can be accessed through the breach on the weapon

I usually set my hop-up when I show up to the field, only takes a minute or two. They're generally found on most guns just by pulling the bolt back as Deathwig said. No tools are needed (on most guns) to adjust hop-up.

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28302361]That's a load of my mind then. I felt that paintball in my gut for weeks on end. The player didn't even apologize. He just said that it was a 'war wound'. I wonder if he would think the same if I planted the barrel of my gun in his eyesocket and fired a few rounds, the smug bastard. Anyway, more questions, because I'm sincerely interested in the sport/tech. I understand a hop-up is a little rubber nudge inside the barrel, and is supposed to give the BB a top-spin. Does anyone ever adjust these hop-ups in mid-game. I've seen many weapons that require to be pulled apart, or need some tiny tool, or stuff like that.[/QUOTE] It's only gas pistols that need to be taken apart. Of course with some guns it can be difficult to adjust the hop up in the middle of a game if there's no bolt lock feature on it. Pretty much every guns has that these days except for AKs though.

Oh, that's cool then. Do the guns in average require a lot of maintenance? AEG/Spring/Gas separately, of course.

Spring requires almost no maintenance. AEGs require occasional tuneups and fixes. Gas requires constant care.

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28302571]Oh, that's cool then. Do the guns in average require a lot of maintenance? AEG/Spring/Gas separately, of course.[/QUOTE] Springers are generally either really cheap (low-end lol pistols) or really expensive (high-end sniper rifles). They generally work until they break, in which case you generally just buy a new one. AEGs will usually require zero maintenance unless you want to upgrade something. Internal work is a pain in the ass, so it's dreadful if something actually does break. Gearboxes are so complex that it's sometimes more responsible to hire a technician to diagnose/fix it rather than poke around yourself. Gas guns work beautifully if you take care of them, lubricating them properly and loving them like your own child. Parts will break but it's always simple mechanical problems so you either fix a part yourself or order a new one. Field stripping to replace parts takes virtually no time compared to gearbox disassembly, and you can usually follow the disassembly process of the gun's real-world counterpart. IM SORRY FOR BEING THUNDER-STEALER I SPENT 2 LONG TYPING :<< I STILL LOVE U FISH MUFFIN

I've heard that with gas rifles, when firing too fast, the rubber o-rings can get frozen, and will break. Any things you have to really look out for on AEGs, maintenance wise?

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28302571]Oh, that's cool then. Do the guns in average require a lot of maintenance? AEG/Spring/Gas separately, of course.[/QUOTE] Electric needs a bit of care every now and then. If it's spring (say, a bolt action sniper), then you need to have it well oiled and greased every couple of months or so. Gas you'd have to maintain like a real weapon. Strip it, clean it, and make sure everything is in proper order. All in all, it's very simple to service an airsoft gun. You'll fuck up stuff the first few times, but generally it's really easy to take care of. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28302908]I've heard that with gas rifles, when firing too fast, the rubber o-rings can get frozen, and will break. Any things you have to really look out for on AEGs, maintenance wise?[/QUOTE] Bad hop up nubs, or dirt are probably the most common of problems. And I think the frozen o-rings would come from a CO2 rifle, in which case, it's the operators fault since the gun needs more silicone oil than normal. If it's green gas (propane and silicone), then I don't see that happening.

That brings me to my next question. Any real difference between CO2, green gas, red gas or propane?

On all guns its important t clean your barrel often. For AEGs it's important to have motor height adjusted correctly.

Nothing really needs to be done to AEGs right off the bat aside from possibly re-shimming the gears, unless you want to upgrade parts right away. After a few months, you may need to re-adjust the motor height (just a simple twist of a screw on the outside of the gun). Unless something breaks, they arent much work. But AEG work is pretty simple, gearboxes seem alot scarier than they really are. Just watch a video tutorial as you take one apart the first time, and after that youll be fine.

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28303017]That brings me to my next question. Any real difference between CO2, green gas, red gas or propane?[/QUOTE] Yes. The amount of power you get out of them. CO2 is the strongest, but will wreck your GBB if your internals aren't durable enough, and you don't have it well oiled. Green gas is the propane/silicone mixture I mentioned, and it's the gas of choice. Red gas is a high power refrigerant I believe. HFC134a. You need high quality weapons to use it. And propane is propane. If you're not using it premixed (green gas), then you need to spray some silicone on the propane tank and fill the mag like you normally would.

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28303017]That brings me to my next question. Any real difference between CO2, green gas, red gas or propane?[/QUOTE] Co2 is high pressurized non lubricated gas Propane is lower pressure gas, green gas is a propane lube mix

A lot of MILF's use the propane lube mix, as Foos stated above.

[QUOTE=Identity;28303132]A lot of MILF's use the propane lube mix, as Foos stated above.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna punch your penis, k?

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Well, I think that, should the time come, I'll take an AEG as my first gun of choice. I did find an excellent Airsoft skirmish group, who do full-weekend shootouts. Eat/sleep on the field, and defend the sleeping quarters because they can be overrun. They also offer a weekend, where matches end at 11PM, and people sleep in luxurious bungalows on site. And best of all, including gear rental, it's incredibly cheap.

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28302361]That's a load of my mind then. I felt that paintball in my gut for weeks on end. The player didn't even apologize. He just said that it was a 'war wound'. I wonder if he would think the same if I planted the barrel of my gun in his eyesocket and fired a few rounds, the smug bastard.[/QUOTE] Such is life in paintball. I still have a scar on my elbow from some dumbass who shot me when I walked past him to get back to the staging area when I was out. I had my hand up and shit too, he swung around and hit me in the arm from a couple feet away. I think someone got him back or something though, when he came back to the staging area he was drenched in paint and was almost crying. :|

karma is a bitch

Glad there are some experienced airsofters around to which I can go with my questions. I just feel like I best be prepared, and do my best to avoid rookie mistakes, like bad trigger discipline, not doing mercy kills, or upgrading a gun to tactic00l levels. Thanks guys, for being friendly and all. I totally need sleep. :h:

[QUOTE=venom;28304089]Such is life in paintball. I still have a scar on my elbow from some dumbass who shot me when I walked past him to get back to the staging area when I was out. I had my hand up and shit too, he swung around and hit me in the arm from a couple feet away. I think someone got him back or something though, when he came back to the staging area he was drenched in paint and was almost crying. :|[/QUOTE] The only time I ever played paintball I got a huge bruise on my wrist for like 7 months because some asshole tried to shoot me in the nuts but my hand got in the way.