• Independence of Scotland
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[QUOTE=james0724;32382613]Waste of time, it will cost a shit ton of money, make crossing the border difficult. Not to mention the difficulty with who is what nationality, I'm a quarter Scottish and three quarters English. Also one other thing I would always call myself British and I'm not sure thats its a good thing to split up Britain[/QUOTE] Scotland is and always will be a part of Britain (Unless they develop some sort of technology to literally break away from England geographically and float away as a separate island). Britain is the island on which it is located, nothing more. If Scotland became independent, Scottish people could still be called "British" (although it would probably be a touchy subject). I'm not really sure what you mean by "the difficulty with who is what nationality".
Have fun supporting yourself
I identify myself as British, and prefer Northern Britain to Scotland . I am part Irish, part English, born in Scotland. I know some Polish and I am part Polish but speak in a Scot accent and use American phrases whilst also part Italian. Whom do I identify myself as? I decide British.
[QUOTE=http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/3570]In Scotland 29% of people support Independence, 58% of people were opposed (this survey asked a generic support or oppose independence question, but the result was almost identical to when we asked questions on how people would vote in a referendum on independence for Scotsman prior to the election). [/Quote] I couldn't find the YouGov polling breakdown, if anyone else does, feel free to post it. While some Scottish people may argue for Independence, They are the vocal minority. This polling data shows that the referendum will almost certainly be a no. Scotland and England will remain united as they have been for the last 304 years. I support the right of self determination, Scotland will decide to remain part of the United Kingdom.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32382705]I identify myself as British, and prefer Northern Britain to Scotland . I am part Irish, part English, born in Scotland. I know some Polish and I am part Polish but speak in a Scot accent and use American phrases whilst also part Italian. Whom do I identify myself as? I decide British.[/QUOTE] Cant agree with this man more [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Caesar;32382671]Scotland is and always will be a part of Britain (Unless they develop some sort of technology to literally break away from England geographically and float away as a separate island). Britain is the island on which it is located, nothing more. If Scotland became independent, Scottish people could still be called "British" (although it would probably be a touchy subject). I'm not really sure what you mean by "the difficulty with who is what nationality".[/QUOTE] I meant the whole nation hence the name Great Britain , the problem about nationality is much less of a problem but it could be important for some people, I was just using myself as a example alas a terrible one though
[QUOTE=james0724;32382764][editline]20th September 2011[/editline] I meant the whole nation hence the name Great Britain , the problem about nationality is much less of a problem but it could be important for some people, I was just using myself as a example alas a terrible one though[/QUOTE] I know what you mean now, but just so you know, Great Britain is not a nation, it's an island.:smile:
Scotland still isn't fully independent? Shit, I thought they were.
If Scotland has 60% of the UK's resources I don't see independence being viable for the rest of the UK unless there is nice fat resource grants to the UK
I'm stuck in the middle of the issue. On the one hand, we don't have much in the way of resources other than some oil. And I can only imagine that economically, we might suffer (Although Scotland is really prospering in the renewable energies industry. And the demand for Scottish Whisky is booming). But one thing that pushes me towards an independent Scotland is how misrepresented we are in Westminster. Scotland [I]hates[/I] the Conservatives. They won one seat in the UK general election in Scotland. One. And yet we now have a conservative government that no one is Scotland wants. You can argue that we have our devolved government, but at the end of the day, the government that will make our biggest and most important decisions is a government we never voted for. However, there are issues such as pensions, currency and even defence that need to thought about before an independent Scotland exists. Even if the people of this country voted for it, it's not going to simply happen overnight.
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;32391281]I'm stuck in the middle of the issue. On the one hand, we don't have much in the way of resources other than some oil. And I can only imagine that economically, we might suffer (Although Scotland is really prospering in the renewable energies industry). But one thing that pushes me towards an independent Scotland is how misrepresented we are in Westminster. Scotland [I]hates[/I] the Conservatives. They won one seat in the UK general election in Scotland. One. And yet we now have a conservative government that no one is Scotland wants. You can argue that we have our devolved government, but at the end of the day, the government that will make our biggest and most important decisions is a government we never voted for. However, there are issues such as pensions, currency and even defence that need to thought about before an independent Scotland exists. Even if the people of this country voted for it, it's not going to simply happen overnight.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. But then, Britain doesn't have much in the way of resources itself, and the most profitable ones (Hello, Oil!) come from Scotland.
Yeah. This country would benenfit a lot more from our oil if we were in sole control of it. By just how much of a difference it would make, I don't know. I'm not an economist. In the end, I would most likely vote in favour of independence. I believe strongly in the right to self determination. If we became indenpendent and things went tits up, then we would have no one to blame but ourselves. But I believe we have the right to take that chance. It's a very difficult issue that won't be really addressed for a few more years atleast.
Well the important question to ask is, if the Scottish want to be an independent nation or not. Even if a sizeable portion want it, but they are far below even the half of the population there's really no sense. A second thing to consider is economics. I'd say that quite a large number of the Scottish work in England areas, then one has to consider the question of how many business would remain English owned, which would remain purely Scottish etc etc. I honestly do not know the situation all too well, but have never had an impression that the rivalry between England and Scotland went above traditional quabling and sports.
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;32391615]Yeah. This country would benenfit a lot more from our oil if we were in sole control of it. By just how much of a difference it would make, I don't know. I'm not an economist. In the end, I would most likely vote in favour of independence. I believe strongly in the right to self determination. If we became indenpendent and things went tits up, then we would have no one to blame but ourselves. But I believe we have the right to take that chance. It's a very difficult issue that won't be really addressed for a few more years atleast.[/QUOTE] The problem with us going tits up is that we would be effectively on our own. Plus Scotland isn't known for being a good place to work and live.
No.Not one more country to learn at geography /Sarcasm off Seriously, if the country wants independence, we should let that country have it.
[QUOTE=overpain;32392310]No.Not one more country to learn at geography /Sarcasm off Seriously, if the country wants independence, we should let that country have it.[/QUOTE] Except this would be a massive inconvenience just so a few overly patriotic idiots can have a sense of independece
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32392506]Except this would be a massive inconvenience just so a few overly patriotic idiots can have a sense of independece[/QUOTE]You could sacrifice some for the greater good.
The problem is that we don't know for sure that Scotland if it does become independant would able to sustain itself in its current layout. It may well have to increase taxes and cut spending in order to balance the books. Also, the oil WILL run out in less than 100 years, so they may well struggle to survive economically in the long term. Personally, I believe that the Scottish people are very much in their right to secede from the rest of the UK if they choose to do so.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32392506]Except this would be a massive inconvenience just so a few overly patriotic idiots can have a sense of independece[/QUOTE] Except, if the referendum suceeded, it wouldn't be a "few overly patriotic idiots", it'd be a majority of the population in Scotland.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32392506]Except this would be a massive inconvenience just so a few overly patriotic idiots can have a sense of independece[/QUOTE] The important point in your quote is country. Which implies the population. Hence if the majority of the country|the population of the country want independence they should have an option of voting for it.
I'm not affected by Scottish independence, but I do live in Wales and call myself Welsh in terms of sporting events but British or European (or Human) in terms of everything else. If Wales where to become more devolved then I can see many problems arising; The first is lack of experience in governing ourselves and it would take a while to for us to do it well and get all the systems in place. Another is Wales' place in the world, I could see us being bullied if we go completely independent (from EU aswell). And my final problem I can think of is the welsh language being imposed on people, It's already compulsarry in education till 16 and the last thing I want is that being imposed on those who don't want to speak it. On the plus side it's less likely for any right wing party to get in government in the near future.
[QUOTE=overpain;32392310]No.Not one more country to learn at geography /Sarcasm off Seriously, if the country wants independence, we should let that country have it.[/QUOTE] Problem is that only a minority want it.
Didn't someone say that if Scotland had their independance that they would be a 3rd world country within 30 years?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32392506]Except this would be a massive inconvenience just so a few overly patriotic idiots can have a sense of independece[/QUOTE] It's a shame because a bunch of overly patriotic idiots have the majority of seats in the Scottish Parliament.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;32389584]If Scotland has 60% of the UK's resources I don't see independence being viable for the rest of the UK unless there is nice fat resource grants to the UK[/QUOTE] iirc, the UK doesn't have a wealth of natural resources left anyway..
[QUOTE=Ihazard;32393305]iirc, the UK doesn't have a wealth of natural resources left anyway..[/QUOTE] We still do, just its cheaper to import our goods than it is to make them here.
I really don't see the point, Britain is a tiny little island, does it really need splitting up?
I don't really care one way or the other. I think the UK has worse problems (not that this is a problem) and Scotland should be able to do what they want.
I remember when the BBC were reporting on this matter once, they asked a bunch of SNP voters on whether they wanted independence, and near all of them said no. Honestly, I don't see the point of it all. The UK is quite small as it is. (Then again, there are smaller countries)
Coming from inside scotland , I really don't think scotland should have independence. Whilst I believe scotland should have more independence on making it's own laws and enforcing it's own rather that it's own and the parliaments. Scotland does rely heavily on relations and connections between england and I genuinely think that if this was broken the wealth of scotland would drop. dramatically.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32392506]Except this would be a massive inconvenience just so a few overly patriotic idiots can have a sense of independece[/QUOTE] You know, you have every right to oppose the idea. But to sit there, and arrogantly call those that disagree with you "patriotic idiots" does nothing but make people disregard anything you have to say. Oh, and FYI. Support for Scottish independence has been rising year on year and is currently ahead of those that oppose it. So those "few" you call idiots, is most of the country right now.
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