I'm talking about ghostbusters sequels and companies using SJW bullshit and pandering as an advertising campaign
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737124]I'm talking about ghostbusters sequels and companies using SJW bullshit and pandering as an advertising campaign[/QUOTE]
Yeah this.
After how fucking terribly this movie flopped, i guarantee no major studio will be dumb enough to try something even remotely as stupid again.
They were idiots to believe alienating and insulting your audience would ever work to begin with. Never has, never will, no matter the medium. Happens to movies, happens to games, happens to comics. This shines a big ol' spotlight on it and serves as an example of how badly you can fuck up if you try to do it like that.
Did this movie flop, though? I thought by the numbers it was doing mediocrely.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;50737326]Did this movie flop, though? I thought by the numbers it was doing mediocrely.[/QUOTE]
46 million domestic on over 100 mil budget and at least 400mil advertising
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Box office mojo claims 65.1 million total box office, $144 million budget. Someone said they needed to break 500million to get even after the advertising
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In comparison amazing spider-man 2 had a 300 million dollar budget and made 709 million box office, and Sony shit themselves and gave marvel/disney some Spidey film rights in response
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737074][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQcNwsjVEQ&feature=youtu.be[/media]
It's officially 46 mil weekend[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, I once saw Pluto Nash on a boring day.
it really [I]IS [/I]crap.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737330]46 million domestic on over 100 mil budget and at least 400mil advertising[/QUOTE]
jeez i don't think i've ever heard of more than $100 mill advertising for a movie lol. where'd you get 400 from?
EDIT: [url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-analysis-why-ghostbusters-911836[/url] yea it's not 400. also this is a good article. a lot is gonna come down to this 2nd weekend and the international gross.
[QUOTE=postal;50738751]jeez i don't think i've ever heard of more than $100 mill advertising for a movie lol. where'd you get 400 from?
EDIT: [URL]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-analysis-why-ghostbusters-911836[/URL] yea it's not 400[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing they just did the math based on Feig saying they needed $500m gross to break even. However I'm sure there are other aspects in there as well, I've never heard of a movie having an advertising budget that insanely big.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;50738782]I'm guessing they just did the math based on Feig saying they needed $500m gross to break even. [/QUOTE]
didn't Feig just say that was for it to avoid being a failure tho, not break even? they want a megahit that'll kick off a series of films with this so yea they're wanting to see big numbers with this.
I still don't understand why they didn't just make a good movie? I mean it really wouldn't have been that hard, tons of people have suggested what is basically the same idea in regards to what could have been Ghostbusters 3 and what would have actually respected the original movies, I.E a passing of the torch movie. (or 4 if you count the awesome video game sequel)
Instead they go for the ultimate generic "reboot" treatment and attempt to sell it on lies alone, making up this gender shitstorm and also alienating the consumer base that would have watched and stuck with the damn movie in the first place, because they knew the movie wouldn't have done well AT ALL otherwise and would have been shat on by everyone if not for the thin vainer of "girl power, this is for feminism yeah!" when it's clear it's just another cash grab, I just don't understand why they thought that would work.
Seriously, Sony needs to stop with the tricks (Hell a lot of film production companies need to stop with the various tricks) and actually attempt to make a GOOD MOVIE for once, you'll and here's a shocker, actually gain fans and perhaps even gain more money! wow!
Guys can't you see the this controversy is literally digressing to violence among the crew
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/BGoJS19wpC9/[/url]
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I've always wanted to kick Paul Feig but of course McCarthy had to get to it first
[QUOTE=CAPT Opp4;50738857]Guys can't you see the this controversy is literally digressing to violence among the crew
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/BGoJS19wpC9/[/url]
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I've always wanted to kick Paul Feig but of course McCarthy had to get to it first[/QUOTE]
every single picture i see of feig and the crew is feig being "beaten up"
this is his fetish i guarantee it
[QUOTE=postal;50738794]didn't Feig just say that was for it to avoid being a failure tho, not break even? they want a megahit that'll kick off a series of films with this so yea they're wanting to see big numbers with this.[/QUOTE]
No, all he said was they need 500 million.
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Pretty sure, anyway.
Wouldnt surprise me, its Sony we're talking about.
[QUOTE=postal;50738751]jeez i don't think i've ever heard of more than $100 mill advertising for a movie lol. where'd you get 400 from?
EDIT: [url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-analysis-why-ghostbusters-911836[/url] yea it's not 400. also this is a good article. a lot is gonna come down to this 2nd weekend and the international gross.[/QUOTE]
Star Trek comes out next weekend, Jason Bourne the weekend after and internationally things look grim and they lack China. At this point they are lucky if the revenue gross even meets production costs.
[QUOTE=Psyke89;50739102]Star Trek comes out next weekend, Jason Bourne the weekend after and internationally things look grim and they lack China. At this point they are lucky if the revenue gross even meets production costs.[/QUOTE]
And dont forget, after Bourne, theres Suicide Squad.
So they cant even hope for maybe a pity audience after two summer blockbuster releases, cause WB got that shit on lock.
I liked it... I feel like I'm in the minority though.
it keeps happening
[t]http://i.imgur.com/JOle0jM.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Wii60;50740690]it keeps happening
image[/QUOTE]
The wikipedia page for the movie seems to say that the movie is rated as mediocre and that financially it is doing exactly as it was expected to, and yet everyone seems to hate it and we see things like this?... I don't know what to believe!
So the Ghostheads documentary came out, about the fans of Ghostbusters and the fan groups. How the hell can Paul Feig sit there with a straight face saying he appreciates the fans and what they do, while simultaneously calling them assholes during the promotion for the reboot
[QUOTE=TheJoey;50738923]every single picture i see of feig and the crew is feig being "beaten up"
this is his fetish i guarantee it[/QUOTE]
what if the entire movie was his fetish
what if he secretly wants to be spit on as a man and shot in the dick
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;50740710]The wikipedia page for the movie seems to say that the movie is rated as mediocre and that financially it is doing exactly as it was expected to, and yet everyone seems to hate it and we see things like this?... I don't know what to believe![/QUOTE]
Wait who's fucking with wikipedia to say that its hitting its targets lol it didn't even hit its own budget
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50740728]what if the entire movie was his fetish
what if he secretly wants to be spit on as a man and shot in the dick[/QUOTE]
Well he IS a self-loathing male, I remember reading he thinks men aren't funny because he was bullied by other boys and was up his moms ass constantly as a child
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50740842]Wait who's fucking with wikipedia to say that its hitting its targets lol it didn't even hit its own budget[/QUOTE]
Well I know there's talk about budget, but I'm mainly referring to these parts:
[QUOTE=Wiki page]In the United States and Canada, Sony initially projected Ghostbusters to gross $30 million in its opening weekend. However, following favorable reviews and an effective marketing campaign, the studio raised their projection to somewhere around $40 million while still remaining conservative. Most industry projections had the film opening between $40–50 million.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The film ended up earning $46 million in its opening weekend from 3,962 theaters, in line with projections,[/QUOTE]
So, while even the article talks of a $144 million production budget, these quotes seem to say that everything is going according to plan?
Maybe they predicted a flop or are so stupid they think they'll get the same or better next weekend
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50737122]Yeah.
But at the same time, this movie is going to go down in history as an abysmal failure. Sony is desperate for ANYTHING to make them money at this point, so who knows what might happen to them as a result. People might be fooled by what journalists say, but the people in the board rooms know whats up.[/QUOTE]
Their "ALL WOMEN MUST SEE THIS BECAUSE STRONG FEMALE BLACK WOMEN YAH" strategy reminds me of this in a way
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in a way that Daikatana ad kind of made sense, like dark souls' prepare to die, but yeah. Shouldn't "don't call potential customers sexist little ungrateful shits" be concept #1 in marketing? Makes me wonder what the meetings were like. Maybe they looked at femminist frequency, saw the psychotic pack mentality and thought "maybe if we market to these people, they'll start a cultural crusade and put the movie up on a social pedestal for us", that's the only explanation i can come up with. Which i guess they did, but at the exclusion of literally everyone else on the planet. Marketers aren't dumb, just painfully out of touch with reality on the ground.
It's funny, it's easy to see why a marketing campaign succeeded or failed retroactively, but looking forward is so hard.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50741093]Shouldn't "don't call potential customers sexist little ungrateful shits" be concept #1 in marketing? Makes me wonder what the meetings were like. Maybe they looked at femminist frequency, saw the psychotic pack mentality and thought "maybe if we market to these people, they'll start a cultural crusade and put the movie up on a social pedestal for us", that's the only explanation i can come up with.[/QUOTE]
Especially since they've been in communication with Marvel Studios, who straight up cut ties with Marvel Comics because of the bullshit they kept pulling in the comics and what Ike Perlmutter kept trying to shove into the movies.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50741093]
It's funny, it's easy to see why a marketing campaign succeeded or failed retroactively, but looking forward is so hard.[/QUOTE]
No not really, Sony's just fucking retarded.
Heres how you successfully advertise a product:
Decide who your product is for. The demographics most likely to GIVE YOU MONEY, not just defend you, and then tailor your advertising to appeal to them first, and others seconds. For a comedy, you show some jokes, for people who want a comedy. Superhero movies, you show flashy fights and cool costumes, Transformers for people who love dumb flashy robot fights, etc. At the same time, you also cant make it too niche or specific, because you also want people who might not normally look at your trailer to get interested.
You absolutely do not under any fucking circumstances take big steaming dumps on your audience and go "eat it you little ungrateful fuck EAT IT". Unless you're like, iDubbbz or something, but he can afford it, his schtick is being an asshole.
Sony cant really afford to be an asshole because they've been hemorrhaging money. But lo and behold, despite the absolute fucking lunacy of Amy Pascal in the past and the failure of the Amazing Spider-Man Cinematic Universe, they still let her try and make another Cinematic Universe.
[QUOTE=jonu67;50738839]I still don't understand why they didn't just make a good movie? I mean it really wouldn't have been that hard, tons of people have suggested what is basically the same idea in regards to what could have been Ghostbusters 3 and what would have actually respected the original movies, I.E a passing of the torch movie. (or 4 if you count the awesome video game sequel)
Instead they go for the ultimate generic "reboot" treatment and attempt to sell it on lies alone, making up this gender shitstorm and also alienating the consumer base that would have watched and stuck with the damn movie in the first place, because they knew the movie wouldn't have done well AT ALL otherwise and would have been shat on by everyone if not for the thin vainer of "girl power, this is for feminism yeah!" when it's clear it's just another cash grab, I just don't understand why they thought that would work.
Seriously, Sony needs to stop with the tricks (Hell a lot of film production companies need to stop with the various tricks) and actually attempt to make a GOOD MOVIE for once, you'll and here's a shocker, actually gain fans and perhaps even gain more money! wow![/QUOTE]
Talent costs money, and suits don't care for "unneccessary expenditures" like that when they can bank on cheaper things like star power, brand recognision/nostalgia, and simplistic spectacle. Talent is also difficult to work with and stubborn, with their own ideas that may not sit well with the marketing department and other execs. Suits just want the safest, most easily bankable whatever so they can horde more money to fill the void where their humanity once was. Money is the only language they understand. Love of money is the root of all evil.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50740842]was up his moms ass constantly as a child[/QUOTE]
Think about Buster from arrested development
That's what his story reminded me of
New midnight's edge video of the Ghostbusters 2016 opening weekend:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3szgwthkcIs[/media]
With the entire media shitstorm around the movie, even after release, I've been thinking about jumping into journalism (I think I actually made that announcement in this thread, or one of the other 10 Ghostbusters threads...). I'm actually planning on writing a piece about how Ghostbusters is being used not only as a political battleground, but as a perfect example of people using it to forward their own personal agenda, and how personal agendas have been plaguing film and general journalism since internet journalism took off.
Does anyone have any suggestions of what points I should hit, and maybe evidence of paid reviews? I wanted to touch upon that as well.
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