I can almost see what they were going for with Bull Terriers, but they just look like monsters now.
[QUOTE=kr1f333;51652633]blue german shepherd
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I want one of these now
[QUOTE=Keychain;51652695]i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?
honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out[/QUOTE]
From what I understand German Shepards can be bred for two different reasons, work and show. The work lineage (Think police dogs) have stayed healthy while the show dogs have the problem you see above.
My dad and I went to the vet with my cat one time, got stuck in the waiting room with one of these sitting right beside us.
It was 10 minutes of complete silence along with a dog sounding like it was constantly being choked to death, but judging by how the owner didn't really care this was its natural state. Really sad.
[QUOTE=gukki;51652595]bull terriers also used to look hella cool before someone decided to ruin them
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yo what the fuck, that's fucked up
this just proves that humans have shit taste tbh, because that old bull terrier looks like it could fuck shit up, unlike the mutated rabbit/dog hybrid thing on the right
[QUOTE=Keychain;51652695]i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?
honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out[/QUOTE]
I don't think show line german shepards are common (thankfully).
[QUOTE=coyote93;51654481]I always find discussions as this fascinating, and some of you who comment here seem to know quite a bit about this, so is it okay if I ask a couple of questions?
Is selective breeding necessarily a bad thing? If you had a large enough gene pool and didn't just inbreed them, and you went in to actually "optimize" the animals health and potential lifespan etc, instead of focusing on aesthetics only, wouldn't selective breeding then be a good thing?
Is it to late to save the pugs? Could one save the race over a long period of selective breeding where one mixed in a more "healthy" race of dogs? Could the pugs fix their own problems over a long enough time-span, if given the chance to breed freely among themselves?[/QUOTE]
Well, if you look at 'working' breeds of dogs, who were bred to perform a job, rather than 'aesthetic' breeds, you tend to find that the average health and life expectancy of a purebreed is considerably higher. But yes, if we want to 'keep' the approximate appearance of a pug whilst making them healthier, it'd be best to breed them with similar, yet genetically diverse dogs to encourage greater variety and try to 'weed out' negative traits.
[QUOTE=kr1f333;51652633]
blue german shepherd
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I never knew Shephards could get that coloration; they look like wolf-dogs at that point.
Big floofiers, I want one.
[QUOTE=coyote93;51654481]I always find discussions as this fascinating, and some of you who comment here seem to know quite a bit about this, so is it okay if I ask a couple of questions?
Is selective breeding necessarily a bad thing? If you had a large enough gene pool and didn't just inbreed them, and you went in to actually "optimize" the animals health and potential lifespan etc, instead of focusing on aesthetics only, wouldn't selective breeding then be a good thing?
Is it to late to save the pugs? Could one save the race over a long period of selective breeding where one mixed in a more "healthy" race of dogs? Could the pugs fix their own problems over a long enough time-span, if given the chance to breed freely among themselves?[/QUOTE]
Selective breeding is fine when done properly to fit a role that isn't just "this looks good!"
A post I made in a similar thread:
[QUOTE=Pascall;51085200]There are some breeders who are experimenting with healthier breed combinations. They are very few and far in between though. A lot of purebred kennel clubs vilify these breeders.
Check out the Albany Basset Hound and the Leavitt Bulldog! Those are much healthier alternatives to the existing breeds.
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[QUOTE=Lolkork;51654569]why??[/QUOTE]vanity is a very dominating quality in humans
My bulldog used to have this problem, he eventually found that sleeping on his back allows him to breathe properly and get a good sleep. As cute and great as Bulldogs and other flat faced dogs are, I do believe we should stop breading them, luckily for me my Bulldog is 9 years old and never had any of the common flat faced dog problems, however he is now getting Arthritis in his back legs due to his unnatural body shape.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;51654334]From what I understand German Shepards can be bred for two different reasons, work and show. The work lineage (Think police dogs) have stayed healthy while the show dogs have the problem you see above.[/QUOTE]
Even most working breed GSDs have hip problems, just not as pronounced. My family had one, a former police dog, whose hind legs got pretty weak as he got older, but I was relieved to find out that it apparently isn't painful (according to the vet at least).
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51654569]We turned this:
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in to this:
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why??[/QUOTE]
One will eat your face while the other one just kind of looks funny.
I don't think anyone thinks selective breeding itself is wrong, just the motivations behind it.
Selective breeding should be done to increase the longevity of a domestic animal, rather than just to create cute or aesthetically pleasing traits which do nothing but cause harm. On that note too, you CAN still breed for certain aesthetics without actively harming the health of the animal but until the "dog show standard" becomes vilified itself, things likely won't change.
It's up to the big show circuits like Eukanuba and Crufts to understand that parading what are essentially inbred mutants around that are likely going to die prematurely from health complications is not something to be celebrated.
[QUOTE=kr1f333;51652633]blue german shepherd
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dude
that is the coolest fucking dog I've ever seen
why the hell is that considered inferior? [I]I want [B]ten[/B][/I]
My parents have a pug. The poor thing's had a host of issues. Poor breathing is one thing, but she also had seizures early in life(They seem to have gone away). She got cancer in one eye(Didn't lose the eye, but there's some scarring on it). Weird growths on her legs too that had to be removed. She also developed allergies that she currently takes medication for because if she doesn't she'll scratch until she starts tearing skin.
And despite all that she still seems healthier than most pugs I see. My dad loves that dog, but he's said he'd never get another one.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;51652178]I hate pugs so much[/QUOTE]
I don't hate pugs.
I just hate their owners.
"Haha I'm gonna upload a video of my pug without giving a flying fuck about how I'm fucking up their breed over time :)"
Edit: I don't mean every single one of them,I mean the majority of them.
A lot of pug owners or owners of any bracycephalic dogs are just acting out of ignorance. It's not an excuse but it's also not their intent to be purposely malicious. You don't educate with attacking.
What you do is ask them how their dog is from time to time. If they complain about an issue, help them out and do some research together. Recommend some vets.
Not every dog owner will be open to be educated on appropriate canine healthcare but for the ones who are, you can help make a difference in how they care about and for their dog.
[QUOTE=kr1f333;51652633]
any dog can be born with a "chimera" mutation that gives them random black spots. it's completely normal but they are also considered inferior
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the dog makes me thing of tactical espionage
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the dog makes me thing of tactical espionage[/QUOTE]
A Hideo Kojima dog
I've had a pug for about 11 years now. He's never been nowhere near as unhealthy and miserable as a lot of pugs I've seen, this one included. That being said, he's still inherited the Pug's patented breathing disabilities. Not to an extreme degree, but it's there.
In his old age, he coughs a lot when he gets worked up and often falls down due to how horribly imbalanced his body is, despite being fairly fit. It makes me sad, but he's been pretty luck in comparison to some pugs. I do wish we could just let dog breeds like these die out, it's honestly inhumane to keep breeding them.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51655068]A lot of pug owners or owners of any bracycephalic dogs are just acting out of ignorance. It's not an excuse but it's also not their intent to be purposely malicious. You don't educate with attacking.
What you do is ask them how their dog is from time to time. If they complain about an issue, help them out and do some research together. Recommend some vets.
Not every dog owner will be open to be educated on appropriate canine healthcare but for the ones who are, you can help make a difference in how they care about and for their dog.[/QUOTE]
Your right,looking back what I said earlier,it was a bit rude.
Thanks for the advice!
humans are fucked up
the naked ape fucking made pugs like wtf imagine what aliens think of us
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;51656455]humans are fucked up
the naked ape fucking made pugs like wtf imagine what aliens think of us[/QUOTE]
But what if aliens made us?
The [I]REAL[/I] MLG breed is the Carolina Dog, basically the closest thing to the "original" dog breed you can get without making a wolf-dog. I've got one, and she's a real sweety to the other folks in the family. Too bad she's afraid of me because I remind her of her abusive previous owner.
[img]http://www.dogforums.com/attachments/general-dog-forum/124954d1386987405-carolina-dogs-image.jpg[/img]
They don't do well in hot/cold weather either. Not to mention, they're high maintenance and need their faces cleaned a lot. If they don't get cleaned, mold starts to grow in the wrinkles. It sucks.
i think mixed breeds can look cooler than purebreds also
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our family's old dog is a mix
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that pika-dotted dog omg I want it
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That is a absolutely awesome and adorable dog. (German Shep, Alaskan Malumute mix btw)
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North American Pig Pupper is the best breed.
(Actually we have no clue what Francis is)
[QUOTE=Keychain;51652695]i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?
honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out[/QUOTE]
With working dogs, like German Shepherds, there are often two 'breeds' the show breed and the working breed. The ones that look fucked like on the right are generally show breeds, meaning they are bred for dog shows, hence why they get more and more fucked as the breed goes on - kennel clubs know jack shit about the proper healthy characteristics of a breed. When you see ones that are less fucked, its because they likely didn't come from show stock, and probably came from stock that bred working dogs, which aren't fucked because they are bred to be able to do tasks as opposed to looking a certain way.
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