[QUOTE=srobins;49620701]Epic argument, anyone that doesn't like a talentless overweight hack masquerading as a superstar beacon of female liberation and independence is clearly just a sweaty neckbeard who hates women.[/QUOTE]
your choice of words makes you sound like the very thing you're trying to dismiss.
[QUOTE=srobins;49620506]Wow, who would have guessed that Amy Schumer is a fat talentless hack?[/QUOTE]
Come on....
its very interesting that loads of the comments agreeing with this are extremely derogatory and personal.
for example
[QUOTE=] Just a fat disgusting feminist lying wanna-be comic, nothing new to see here people. A few decades ago whores like her would be spit on and kicked to the curb the second they tried to go anywhere, now they're being pushed as role models for all the other fat dumb whores out there that fancy themselves as 'strong independent women'. Fuck today's society and mass media. If you wanna see some real comics watch Louie CK or Bill Burr.• [/QUOTE]
Calls her fat, recommends louie CK....
Im not saying their aren't valid criticisms here, but fucking hell why is it to uncivilised. It feels so misogynistic.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49620613]Marc Maron talked about this on the latest episode of his podcast, he actually made a lot of good points in Amy's defense and his material was "stolen" as well. It's also pretty weird how 90% of the people who have been banging on about this for months seem to be sweaty neckbeards who just don't like women (one of his arguments)[/QUOTE]
She didn't make them her own though, some of it is just straight up lifting, and that's the issue.
[QUOTE=RalphMoors;49621251]Come on....
its very interesting that loads of the comments agreeing with this are extremely derogatory and personal.
for example
Calls her fat, recommends louie CK....
Im not saying their aren't valid criticisms here, but fucking hell why is it to uncivilised. It feels so misogynistic.[/QUOTE]
Tbh i think the reason why most people are using "fat" against her is the aforementioned "fat strong woman who don't need no man" way she's pretty forcefully marketed as. There have been dozens of other comedians that have been hugely fat and just roll with it as part of their bit instead of trying to push it as some sort of point that makes her good or makes her better if that makes sense.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;49621908]Tbh i think the reason why most people are using "fat" against her is the aforementioned "fat strong woman who don't need no man" way she's pretty forcefully marketed as. There have been dozens of other comedians that have been hugely fat and just roll with it as part of their bit instead of trying to push it as some sort of point that makes her good or makes her better if that makes sense.[/QUOTE]
I've only seen her use it as a subject of self-derision, just like other comedians.
[QUOTE=zeroXSBK;49620466]That MadTV comparison alone is pretty damning. I like how she swapped the genders of the cast to try and hide the plagiarism.[/QUOTE]
Not really, I was just at bed bath and beyond getting some fresh shit and the girl asked me who helped me and I was like "ohhh I forgot her name but shes over there" and she was standing next to a white co-worker (should've mentioned she was black) and the register girl was just like "uhhh which one is she, the uhhhh" and she wanted to say black girl but couldn't and just ended up sputtering out "the s-skinny one??" So it's a pretty common joke that whites are awkward about.
Like I could've literally written that joke and it would've ended up being copied.
[QUOTE=X12321;49621959]Not really, I was just at bed bath and beyond getting some fresh shit and the girl asked me who helped me and I was like "ohhh I forgot her name but shes over there" and she was standing next to a white co-worker (should've mentioned she was black) and the register girl was just like "uhhh which one is she, the uhhhh" and she wanted to say black girl but couldn't and just ended up sputtering out "the s-skinny one??" So it's a pretty common joke that whites are awkward about.
Like I could've literally written that joke and it would've ended up being copied.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah, both scenes pretty much having the same format and finishing with almost exactly the SAME specific joke is not a coincidence at all. i mean come on guys its such a common joke LOL
[QUOTE=mayo;49621983]oh yeah, both scenes pretty much having the same format and finishing with almost exactly the SAME specific joke is not a coincidence at all. i mean come on guys its such a common joke LOL[/QUOTE]
How else does checking out at a store go for you?
EDIT: LOL
Also I don't even like her just pointing out that the whole joke is a pretty common occurrence and could be easily copied without knowing... It's not an unfunny joke writers job to make sure they don't write unfunny jokes that have already been done.
[QUOTE=RalphMoors;49621251]Come on....
its very interesting that loads of the comments agreeing with this are extremely derogatory and personal.
for example
Calls her fat, recommends louie CK....
Im not saying their aren't valid criticisms here, but fucking hell why is it to uncivilised. It feels so misogynistic.[/QUOTE]
Insulting a woman isn't misogyny. Rude, yes, but not misogynistic. I don't even see what the big deal is about calling her fat considering that's her entire shtick. If you want to build your career around being unapologetically fat and unattractive, go ahead, but you don't get to cry "misogyny" when I say something mean about it. The fact that people hold her up as this shining beacon of social satire, fawning over every bland (or stolen) joke that is even tangentially related to sex/gender, only makes her more annoying.
I'm not a fan of her stuff or really that type of humor personally but I can see how you could make these parallels.
Also she's not fat wtf?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49621997]I can't stand this comedian.
If you've heard one "haha get it I'm a girl" joke, you've heard them all.
I get that comedians specialize in certain types of comedy, but that gets old so quick.[/QUOTE]
"So guys.. Are you ever just looking at your VAGINA in the mirror and you're like.. Whoa, my VAGINA looks like a freakin' VAGINA? Haha I mean.. Wow, isn't that crazy? The fact that I have a VAGINA? Haha oh man.. Anyone here ever have SEX??"
[QUOTE=X12321;49621994]How else does checking out at a store go for you?[/QUOTE]
well i've never been in a situation where it follows the same exact dialogue and conflict as it does in both the sketches, i guess it always goes that way which explains why they're exactly the same, silly me. and nice job avoiding the fact that they both ended with the same joke. come on man, just think.
[QUOTE=zeroXSBK;49620466]That MadTV comparison alone is pretty damning. I like how she swapped the genders of the cast to try and hide the plagiarism.[/QUOTE]
To be fair it isn't the same joke, the MadTV one at the start of the video. The MadTV one is about not wanting to say someone's black. Amy Schumer's is about not being able to tell the difference between black people. There's two shots where the guy who helped her is visible when she's looking for him. It's the same setup but a different punchline
Now Carlos Mencia stealing Bill Cosby's joke about the football player saying Hi Mom. That's fucking stealing
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49622191]To be fair it isn't the same joke, the MadTV one at the start of the video. The MadTV one is about not wanting to say someone's black. Amy Schumer's is about not being able to tell the difference between black people. There's two shots where the guy who helped her is visible when she's looking for him. It's the same setup but a different punchline[/QUOTE]
I think you're confused dude, they are very clearly the exact same joke. The joke is definitely not about Schumer being unable to tell black people apart..
[QUOTE=srobins;49622209]I think you're confused dude, they are very clearly the exact same joke. The joke is definitely not about Schumer being unable to tell black people apart..[/QUOTE]
Then how come all 3 black dudes that work at the store, including the one that helped her, come out at the end of the scene and they say, and I quote,"Seriously, you can't tell us apart?" when she still doesn't know which one helped her
that madtv joke is totally stolen. i've seen the same premise, but usually in wildly different ways, not with the same exact cuts and angles
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49622225]Then how come all 3 black dudes that work at the store, including the one that helped her, come out at the end of the scene and they say, and I quote,"Seriously, you can't tell us apart?" when she still doesn't know which one helped her[/QUOTE]
Considering she literally looks at the cashier and goes "uhhh... ohhh he has uhhh BLACK... eyes?", seems like a secondary punchline. It's there, but so is the "I don't want to reference him being black", too.
[QUOTE=srobins;49622248]Considering she literally looks at the cashier and goes "uhhh... ohhh he has uhhh BLACK... eyes?", seems like a secondary punchline. It's there, but so is the "I don't want to reference him being black", too.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I don't see it. Again it's the same setup but not the same joke. She looks around first, sees that they're all black. And she doesn't pause on wanting to say he's black at all
[editline]27th January 2016[/editline]
Before you disagree and rate dumb, go watch the entire scene which isn't in this video. Damn, people
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49622261]Yeah I don't see it. Again it's the same setup but not the same joke. She looks around first, sees that they're all black. And she doesn't pause on wanting to say he's black at all[/QUOTE]
you kidding me? she goes "he's bllll......" for like a full second just like the madtv skit (and changes it to "black eyes" instead of "black hair"), except it's in the middle of the joke instead of the beginning
[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]
compare 0:59 and 1:34
[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]
and they're not all black. lmao.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49622261]Yeah I don't see it. Again it's the same setup but not the same joke. She looks around first, sees that they're all black. And she doesn't pause on wanting to say he's black at all[/QUOTE]
There is literally a 5 second pause between "He's.." and "black eyes", you're being dense mate. I mean her bottom lip seriously bunches up on the "B" sound and the camera even cuts to the cashier and then back to Schumer during the pause. You're telling me 2+2=5 right now lol, plus the "I can't tell black people apart, haha!" joke isn't even well executed, if anything it seems like something shoehorned in at the end to make it less obvious that the real humor for I don't know, the first 80% of the skit, was stolen. How could you not be able to tell which person assisted you when you were speaking to them literally a minute before and had also perfectly described their outfit and hair style? It's not even believable lol.
[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]
"Oh yeah I know exactly what he was wearing and what haircut he had and I saw him a minute ago but hmm.. Maybe it was the man standing right in front of me who perfectly matches the description I just gave you? Nope, I'm not sure which one of them it was, I guess I'm racist haha!"
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49622191]To be fair it isn't the same joke, the MadTV one at the start of the video. The MadTV one is about not wanting to say someone's black. Amy Schumer's is about not being able to tell the difference between black people. There's two shots where the guy who helped her is visible when she's looking for him. It's the same setup but a different punchline
Now Carlos Mencia stealing Bill Cosby's joke about the football player saying Hi Mom. That's fucking stealing[/QUOTE]
Actually the madtv one is about [sp]ghosts[/sp].
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrbzVkwyiNM[/media]
[QUOTE=srobins;49620506]Wow, who would have guessed that Amy Schumer is a fat talentless hack?[/QUOTE]
Real mature.
[QUOTE=RalphMoors;49621251]Come on....
its very interesting that loads of the comments agreeing with this are extremely derogatory and personal.
for example
Calls her fat, recommends louie CK....
Im not saying their aren't valid criticisms here, but fucking hell why is it to uncivilised. It feels so misogynistic.[/QUOTE]
how is "recommends louie CK" misogynistic. out of the several other things you could have used that would have actually pushed your point forwards, that is the one that makes the least amount of sense
Personally, I love the bigger insult to her. People aren't laughing nearly as hard to her jokes as they are to the people she's 'stolen' from.
Like, if you're stealing material, at least get a better fucking reaction. God damn.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;49620643]So, what are some actually funny female standup comedians? Most of the ones you see, like Schumer, just make really dumb and unoriginal jokes about their vagina or other shit simply concerning their gender.[/QUOTE]
And most of the dudes you see make dick jokes. Does that mean all of them do? Of course not.
To answer your question, Chelsea Peretti is great.
That Wendy Liebman thing is bullshit. She's trying to defend herself by saying that Wendy's joke is from an old special from way back in the 90's. I know for a fact that joke was in Wendy Liebman's set at Just For Laughs in2005.
She may not have seen the 90's special, but she probably heard it at JFL.
Also Wendy Liebman's comedy is all about delivery and wordplay. The fact that Schumer just took the joke and gave it the flattest, straightforward delivery is doubly insulting.
I can't say I've ever really liked her. I mean I've never really hated her either, but I just never found her to be that funny.
If it's true that she's stealing jokes (that video looks like some pretty damning evidence), then I honestly can't imagine her comedy career being alive for very long. I mean didn't Dane Cook's comedy career end because of the same thing?
[QUOTE=srobins;49622015]"So guys.. Are you ever just looking at your VAGINA in the mirror and you're like.. Whoa, my VAGINA looks like a freakin' VAGINA? Haha I mean.. Wow, isn't that crazy? The fact that I have a VAGINA? Haha oh man.. Anyone here ever have SEX??"[/QUOTE]
LMFAO! Have you ever considered being a female standup comedian?
I don't really care about nor am I particularly bothered by Amy Schumer or women comedians or whatever but some of the examples used are pretty damn hard to debate.
It bothers me more that she lies about stealing them instead of just admitting it.
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