Is the gaming industry crashing? - General

The only good titles for the Wii U right now if I'm not mistaken is Zombi-U and Nintendoland. There hasn't really been that heavy an ad campaign for it either and none of the popular Nintendo IPs have been released. The same thing happened with the PS3 but look at it now. Pretty much everyone I know owns a PS3. Hell, I want to get a PS3, mostly for Watch Dogs.

honestly, a lot of people think videogames are going to crash because of "low quality churned out games" pretty sure "rehash bad games" like call of duty are infinitely more enjoyable and better than the crap that was made in the atari era

The quality of games has been really lowering, and the devs/publishers dont actually give a fuck, but eventually people will slowly stop buying them and that will hopefully force publishers and developers to actually make better games.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39902570]No crash. Big companies have figured out how to pump out money making games, games that are perfected at making a lot of money. They play it safe, games cost a SHITLOAD more now(marketing is a big reason why) when it comes to Triple A. Sort of like Hollywood, its rehashes, reimagines, or sequels, all movies that play it safe. But I think people see this amount of shit pumped out of big companies as the death of gaming but forget to realize we are at a point where pushing the game industry forward is a lot harder than it was and big triple A companies are more about making money back on there initial investment. But people forget that regardless of all the shitty games and rehashes, there will always be games that stand out and do well. Bioshock Infinite is a really good example of a Triple A company making a fresh new thing and doing something other than making a game for just money, Dishonored was another one, same with Dark Souls. So these games always give me hope that the industry isnt going to become shit because there will always be these amazing Triple A games, they are far and few between but I think that makes them better. Also Indie companies, unlike indie movies, indie games have a much better chance to shine, sure you wont get that 50 million budget shine of a triple A but your gonna get a fun game that is different from the rehashed and dull $60 AAA games. There will never be another video game crash, people forget how big the industry is and how well its doing, once next gen hits get ready for another boom.[/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly, there is always a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39904639]honestly, a lot of people think videogames are going to crash because of "low quality churned out games" pretty sure "rehash bad games" like call of duty are infinitely more enjoyable and better than the crap that was made in the atari era[/QUOTE] I dont see the hate on Black Ops 2. It's very fun as a mindless action popcorn flick, which is what it's meant for. Modern Warfare is also a very good game. Modern Warfare 2 and 3 aren't rehashes of bad games. They continue the story and add features, just some of them along with other decisions were horrible. Also, other than for technical things, I enjoyed World at War.

I guaruntee a crash will not happen again The reason the first crash happened had to do with the fact that games were a new thing and most companies treated it like it was a fad, not an industry Games are now established in culture. It's impossible to crash now, especially with mobile gaming, indies, PC gaming (which is pretty much timeless, and it even survived the last crash), etc. Now what [I]can[/I] happen is that the console market, as we know it to exist now, could crash. This doesn't mean the industry tanks, but more or less the industry just shifts into being something else. Wither that means everyone plays their new Gears of War on a tablet instead or if it means everyone just switches to PC games (and "gaming PC's" of the future are literally just consoles but without being associated as a traditional PC, with no OS/etc to deal with). Or something else. So there is a chance that this next console generation will fail, which will cause a shake up in the industry among the big leaders. But it can't crash anymore. It would take literally everyone to fuck up at the same time to do that. And that's just not possible when you have so many companies like valve or indies or small time mobile devs or whatever going on and fufilling a very strong niche inside the industry. If the game industry was going to crash I wouldn't be able to get to play any really good games or anything. But that's simply not the case. If all you play is AAA games for consoles you might be thinking "OMG CRASH" because that market is starting to get kinda bad, but there are so many other options out there now for me to spend my money on and have a great time and great game for that to ever happen. There's tons of great indie games, or games like ArmA3 which aren't exactly indie but aren't AAA blockbuster. And then you have the Minecrafts and DayZ's of the industry - huge profitable mods/games that do it on a really low budget and flourish with good ideas/creativity. If there was a crash, we wouldn't be having any of that.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39904639]pretty sure "rehash bad games" like call of duty are infinitely more enjoyable [B]and better than the crap that was made in the atari era[/B][/QUOTE] Are you ragging on Dizzy Egg?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;39904738]as someone who likes cod, mw3 was a steaming pile of dog ass that was the definition of rehash, it was the same shit but worse in every way (see: the thing remake)[/QUOTE] yeah the multiplayer was garbage. single player was fun though. but as i said, you have to see it as a mindless action popcorn flick [editline]13th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;39904769]Are you ragging on Dizzy Egg?[/QUOTE] I dont think any game ever will be able to top the level of detail in game design of ET.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39904572]Yes there is, what are you talking about, maybe you yourself dont see it much anymore but that doesnt mean its not true. You are probably out of middle/high school which is where a lot of that hype was since you were around people who would talk about it all the time, I can bet you that shit still happens. For fuck sakes, look at how well Blops2 did, it was the best selling CoD to date. GTAV is hyper than pretty much anything, same with Watch Dogs. Like I said, you may not be seeing it yourself, but its still going on. [/QUOTE] it has nothing to do with school kids though it's about general excitement levels online. People in general aren't anywhere near as excited by the AAA games coming out today compared to 5-6 years ago. Look at all the games he listed in the video: Mass Effect 3 Assassins Creed 3 Sims 3 Sim City Diablo 3 The Old Republic Dead Space 3 Black Ops 2 These are bad games. And by bad I don't mean they're not fun at all, but they're stale rehashes of games that were genuinely fresh and exciting 5 years ago. You don't see the same level of excitement for these games in the press and online that you did back then

The Old Republic isn't a rehash wth

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;39904861]The Old Republic isn't a rehash wth[/QUOTE] it's an exact rehash of the WoW formula, which was fresh back in 2004

[QUOTE=seroyal223;39904822]it has nothing to do with school kids though it's about general excitement levels online. People in general aren't anywhere near as excited by the AAA games coming out today compared to 5-6 years ago. Look at all the games he listed in the video: Mass Effect 3 Assassins Creed 3 Sims 3 Sim City Diablo 3 The Old Republic Dead Space 3 Black Ops 2 These are bad games. And by bad I don't mean they're not fun at all, but they're stale rehashes of games that were genuinely fresh and exciting 5 years ago. You don't see the same level of excitement for these games in the press and online that you did back then[/QUOTE] Simcity 2013, AC3, Sims 3, and Old Republic are rehashes? The 2d mario bros series is rehashing. Pokemon games are rehashing (though X and Y look actually interesting for once).

Big companies are producing shit game after shit game, and only the most dimwitted are falling for it each time.

[QUOTE=seroyal223;39904870]it's an exact rehash of the WoW formula, which was fresh back in 2004[/QUOTE] You mean, how it's an MMORPG? Yeah Far Cry 3 is just a rehash of Fallout 3. [editline]13th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=OutOfPop;39904880]Big companies are producing shit game after shit game, and only the most dimwitted are falling for it each time.[/QUOTE] The games aren't shit, though. Have you even considered playing them? Or are you like the rest of Facepunch, and just say "it is receiving too much hype so it is a bad game" [editline]13th March 2013[/editline] That's why people hated Halo 3. Which is an awesome game. Legitimately. Back then whenever I asked someone if they liked Halo 3. "Didn't play, it's overhyped."

[QUOTE=legolover122;39904879]Pokemon games are rehashing (though X and Y look actually interesting for once).[/QUOTE] I think pokemon left the realm of "rehash" at a decade.

I also hate when people say a game sucks because a few design flaws or just one big problem. I guess HL2 is a bad game because if you obstructed your view of the combine with anything, even a tin can then they would not notice you.

[QUOTE=seroyal223;39904822]it has nothing to do with school kids though it's about general excitement levels online. People in general aren't anywhere near as excited by the AAA games coming out today compared to 5-6 years ago. Look at all the games he listed in the video: Mass Effect 3 Assassins Creed 3 Sims 3 Sim City Diablo 3 The Old Republic Dead Space 3 Black Ops 2 These are bad games. And by bad I don't mean they're not fun at all, but they're stale rehashes of games that were genuinely fresh and exciting 5 years ago. You don't see the same level of excitement for these games in the press and online that you did back then[/QUOTE] Are you shitting me. Do you not understand how fucking hyped people were for Diablo 3? And the marketing? Same with Black Ops 2(thats why it made 1 fucking billion dollars in sales) SWOTOR had massive hype. Assassin Creed 3 also had a shitload of hype. Every game you listed had huge positive hype before release except ME3/DS3/Sim3/City What are you talking about dude. I cant think of any game that was more hyped or talked about than Diablo 3 in the past 5 years, that was fucking huge. Like I said, you must not be seeing it but that doesnt mean its not happening.

Diablo 3 kinda died after the hype, same with TORtanic.

[QUOTE=OutOfPop;39904880]Big companies are producing shit game after shit game, and only the most dimwitted are falling for it each time.[/QUOTE] Or maybe we just have really high standards? I see people complaining about some of the bigger name games like NFS MW 2012, DMC DMC, SimCity 2013 and COD games, yet I go play them or their demos and I have a pretty good time. And I hate to use a sales numbers argument, but if the games are so shit then why do they keep selling? People don't just trip and fall over and accidentally buy COD every generation, and hardly anyone would buy a game on a whim when games start at 60 dollars. [QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;39904930]I think pokemon left the realm of "rehash" at a decade.[/QUOTE] It's probably an unpopular opinion here, but I agree. People seem so hyped about each pokemon game and i'm like "i'm not seeing anything different. Just a few new pokemon." and I get blasted out. Like I play two pokemon games that came out one after the other and they are hardly different. The story is pretty much identical each time and it's the same grindfest to get the same badges that you were going for about a hundred games ago. Though X and Y seem to show promise from what little we have seen. Maybe nintendo will pull pokemon out of it's rerelease status and do something new with it for once. Even if the combat stayed the same, a new story combined with the perspective change and some possible character customization would be enough to get me back into it.

[QUOTE=zombojoe;39905008]Diablo 3 kinda died after the hype, same with TORtanic.[/QUOTE] And? The point was the guy was saying these games didnt have hype. When they did, a shitload of hype.

Exactly, they ran on hype and died immediately after it was gone. I can still boot up BF2 and play on countless servers, or play one of the many diablo 2 gateways to this day. The same can't be said about these newer releases. Take Bioshock 2 for example, you will be hardpressed to find a multiplayer game for that and that game had MASSIVE hype when it came out 3 years ago. Hype is in the marketing. A better indicator of success in the mind of a consumer is long term interest. Deus Ex, Half Life and Doom are winners in this, more than a decade since they've been released and people still play them, make mods for them, and talk about them.

[QUOTE=legolover122;39905012]And I hate to use a sales numbers argument, but if the games are so shit then why do they keep selling? People don't just trip and fall over and accidentally buy COD every generation, and hardly anyone would buy a game on a whim when games start at 60 dollars.[/QUOTE] You do realize that a lot of AAA titles, especially ones that turned out to be pretty bad, sold so well almost entirely because of marketing right?

The industry won't crash. The companies probably will if they don't adapt to changing conditions, but the industry as a whole won't go away.

[QUOTE=zombojoe;39905155]Exactly, they ran on hype and died immediately after it was gone. I can still boot up BF2 and play on countless servers, or play one of the many diablo 2 gateways to this day. The same can't be said about these newer releases. Take Bioshock 2 for example, you will be hardpressed to find a multiplayer game for that and that game had MASSIVE hype when it came out 3 years ago. Hype is in the marketing. A better indicator of success in the mind of a consumer is long term interest. Deus Ex, Half Life and Doom are winners in this, more than a decade since they've been released and people still play them, make mods for them, and talk about them.[/QUOTE] Well, that's because as well as being great games, they are easy to mod. That's what keeps a player base on the PC.

[QUOTE=zombojoe;39905155]Exactly, they ran on hype and died immediately after it was gone. I can still boot up BF2 and play on countless servers, or play one of the many diablo 2 gateways to this day. The same can't be said about these newer releases. Take Bioshock 2 for example, you will be hardpressed to find a multiplayer game for that and that game had MASSIVE hype when it came out 3 years ago. Hype is in the marketing. A better indicator of success in the mind of a consumer is long term interest. Deus Ex, Half Life and Doom are winners in this, more than a decade since they've been released and people still play them, make mods for them, and talk about them.[/QUOTE] Bioshock 2 did not have massive hype with the multiplayer at all. Thats like saying people were hyped for Dead Space 2 multiplayer.

[QUOTE=Onyx3173;39905215]You do realize that a lot of AAA titles, especially ones that turned out to be pretty bad, sold so well almost entirely because of marketing right?[/QUOTE] You do have a point, things like that aliens game being an example, but i'm more talking about games like battlefield 3 and ME3 and things like that. People say they are shit, but both still sold, people still play battlefield 3 today, and outside of the ending I thought ME3 was pretty good. Anyone can go to youtube and look up gameplay for a game. People don't just buy entirely on a cinematic trailer.

Nintendo is sucking the donk right now, not because they're a bad company but because they tailor to the wrong crowd and haven't made a new IP in years

[QUOTE=yuper11;39905319]Nintendo is sucking the donk right now, not because they're a bad company but because they tailor to the wrong crowd and haven't made a new IP in years[/QUOTE] [quote] Wii – 99.38 million as of 31 December 2012 PlayStation 3 – 70 million as of 4 November 2012 (IDC January 2013 estimate: "about 77 million") Xbox 360 – 75.9 million as of 31 December 2012[/quote] Yeah, I'd say they're totally doing badly for themselves.

[QUOTE=Scot;39902922]Remember the huge hype for games like Halo 3 and GTA IV? You never see that any more.[/QUOTE] Just wait until MGS: Ground Zeroes.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;39906168]everyone already has a wii, check the wiiu sales now[/QUOTE] They still have a shitton of money from the Wii. If I remember correctly, someone from nintendo said they could make multiple completely bombed consoles before going bankrupt. It'll start selling when it has more than a couple games.